An astronomical divide

oriel36 wrote:
There are always two types of temperature fluctuations going on
simultaneously with Northern hemisphere people experiencing the
transition from Polar dawn to Polar noon or Spring into Summer as it is
commonly known. It just takes the slightest shift in perception to
isolate the Polar day/night cycle as a consequence of the orbital motion
of the Earth and that all locations turn slowly and unevenly over the course of an orbit.

There are people who are outwardly tough and they have to be to
accomplish those things which drive human endeavor forward however there
is another smaller group who are creative and productive in a
fragile,delicate way like poets and composers but must be diamond tough
inwardly to operate at the highest levels. This is also the level of the
type of astronomy that makes sense of the connections between terrestrial
experiences and the motions behind them yet in the 21st century it is
made so much easier with the emergence of these great imaging tools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?va2gSZsplpE


The observer can see the conflict between the old idea of axial
precession and the actual observation that a planet turns in separate
ways to the central Sun by dwelling on the time lapse footage in those 20
seconds beginning about 38 seconds into the video.

This is a lie. Only you can see this and your mental handicap which which
disable your visual imagination prevents you from being an observer.
Observers do not have this handicap and you can't put yourself in their
place. You prefer to believe that the rest of humanity are all liars and
tricksters because they can't see your green cats.

All the histrionics directed at me is going to prevent the enjoyable
insight from breaking through into wider circulation as not only does the
internet make this new astronomy possible but sweeps away the academic
lethargy which prevents the smooth transition to the more productive view.

Histrionics - no. We can see how wrong you are!

There is no idealistic old astronomy to go back to, there is just today
and the tools available to people who value visual imaging over voodoo
chanting and bluffing dumped into the celestial arena as astronomy.

Unfortunately You only pay attention to the voodoo chanters.




What readers are seeing is the beginning of a new astronomy where there
is no ability to hide behind consensus or non visual assertions .

Lying again. Name one of these readers. You can't. You are lying.
No histrionics here just the plain truth. You are the person who identifies
everybody who disagrees with your nonsense - thats everybody in the world
even your own family - as murderers and hijackers.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 12:09:57 AM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

Yet the vast majority of the human race clings to superstitions which defy all logic or reality.

In the case of Oriel36, though, his crusade is sparked by a valid problem.

I remember when I went to school, one of the textbooks had a table of solar
system facts. It listed the "length of day" for the different planets.

For Mercury, it gave 88 days.

For Earth, it gave 23 hours and 56 minutes.

This was back when people believed that one face of Mercury faced eternally to
the Sun, just as one side of the Moon always faces the Earth.

I knew then that we don't adjust our clocks ahead four minutes every midnight.

So the row in the table was mislabelled. It should have said "sidereal
rotational period", *not* "length of day".

And a lot of junior high school teachers aren't that well informed about
science, and will just tell inquiring children that whatever the textbook says
must be right.

So reacting to this makes sense - but if one's own understanding of science is
not good, one will get things mixed up in a different way oneself.

John Savard

This is not like any other century in that observers don't have to wait for academics to appreciate what anyone can ,at least those who value their intelligence and to genuinely get satisfaction from seeing less productive views fade and more effective views emerge.

It should be immediately obvious that the experience of two forms of temperature fluctuations that humans experience daily and annually is in response to two surface rotations to the central Sun with axial precession providing an obstacle and it is at such a level that academics can be easily bypassed and the information provided through this forum. It is obvious that the employed individuals taking the name of astronomers have no real interest in astronomy but if they can live with it then so well and good, it doesn't affect me nor the medium I choose to present these more productive approaches with an eye to seeing them introduced through the education system.


If modelers want to be useful instead of being destructive they can assign variation inclination to the Earth and watch how surface conditions respond using planetary comparisons, for instance, if the Earth had the inclination of Uranus there would be huge swings in temperature fluctuations over 6 months as large areas of the Earth would experience polar conditions. If it had an inclination like Jupiter's, large areas would experience benign conditions across the year or an equatorial climate.

oriel36 wrote:
This is not like any other century in that observers don't have to wait
for academics to appreciate what anyone can ,at least those who value
their intelligence and to genuinely get satisfaction from seeing less
productive views fade and more effective views emerge.

It should be immediately obvious that the experience of two forms of
temperature fluctuations that humans experience daily and annually is in
response to two surface rotations to the central Sun with axial
precession providing an obstacle and it is at such a level that academics
can be easily bypassed and the information provided through this forum.
It is obvious that the employed individuals taking the name of
astronomers have no real interest in astronomy but if they can live with
it then so well and good, it doesn't affect me nor the medium I choose to
present these more productive approaches with an eye to seeing them
introduced through the education system.


If modelers want to be useful instead of being destructive they can
assign variation inclination to the Earth and watch how surface
conditions respond using planetary comparisons, for instance, if the
Earth had the inclination of Uranus there would be huge swings in
temperature fluctuations over 6 months as large areas of the Earth would
experience polar conditions. If it had an inclination like Jupiter's,
large areas would experience benign conditions across the year or an equatorial climate.

If you were remotely scientific in your "researches" you would know that
this had ben done many times

http://www.astrobio.net/news-exclusi...critical-life/

None of this material is for the usual suspects who I have no interest in.

The reason why the dual surface rotations to the central Sun haven't been adopted up to now was most certainly the false notion of axial precession which obscures the easy to understand insight. Most readers with common sense are aware of separate temperature fluctuations going on simultaneously both daily and seasonally with the latter fluctuation relying on orbital behavior rather than the old 'tilt towards and away from the sun'.

For such fuss over Arctic sea ice there is no clear explanation for its evolution across 9 million square miles of the Earth's surface,at least up until now and it all centers on the polar day/night cycle.

This will eventually work its way into the education system and the sooner the better.

oriel36 wrote:
None of this material is for the usual suspects who I have no interest in.

The reason why the dual surface rotations to the central Sun haven't been
adopted up to now was most certainly the false notion of axial precession
which obscures the easy to understand insight. Most readers with common
sense are aware of separate temperature fluctuations going on
simultaneously both daily and seasonally with the latter fluctuation
relying on orbital behavior rather than the old 'tilt towards and away from the sun'.

For such fuss over Arctic sea ice there is no clear explanation for its
evolution across 9 million square miles of the Earth's surface,at least
up until now and it all centers on the polar day/night cycle.

This will eventually work its way into the education system and the sooner the better.


if the Earth had no axial tilt the whole surface would be covered in ice.
If the Earth had the same axial tilt as now and no CO2 the whole surface
would be covered in ice.

oriel36 wrote:
None of this material is for the usual suspects who I have no interest in.

The reason why the dual surface rotations to the central Sun haven't been
adopted up to now was most certainly the false notion of axial precession
which obscures the easy to understand insight.

Hipparchus discussed, or perhaps discovered, the precession of the
equinoxes more than 2,000 years ago. Only a vandal or a terrorist would
want to destroy such a precious astronomical heritage.


This will eventually work its way into the education system and the sooner the better.

Nobody will ever let you get your claws on the minds of innocent children.

What is missing from the graphic is the circle of illumination which highlights the rotation of the polar region away from the central Sun as the planet plows through space and the entire planet turns as it does so thereby creating polar day/night adn the seasons as lower latitudes -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVzCOoQY28Y

These gorgeous simultaneous rotations can be seen in a triumph of Hubble imaging and removes the obstruction of axial precession as it does so -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612gSZsplpE

Four years from 1994 to 1998 condensed into a mere 20 seconds of time and the only thing lacking are responsible adults who can see not only the dual surface rotations to the central Sun but what is preventing this insight from reaching the wider population.

oriel36 wrote:
What is missing from the graphic is the circle of illumination which
highlights the rotation of the polar region away from the central Sun as
the planet plows through space and the entire planet turns as it does so
thereby creating polar day/night adn the seasons as lower latitudes
You mean like this. Shows exactly what you want in the second half of the
video.

http://youtu.be/yvhqK7NVVrU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVzCOoQY28Y

These gorgeous simultaneous rotations can be seen in a triumph of Hubble
imaging and removes the obstruction of axial precession as it does so -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?va2gSZsplpE

Four years from 1994 to 1998 condensed into a mere 20 seconds of time
and the only thing lacking are responsible adults who can see not only
the dual surface rotations to the central Sun but what is preventing this
insight from reaching the wider population.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 10:52:47 AM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

if the Earth had no axial tilt the whole surface would be covered in ice.

In that case, it's a good thing we didn't move the Moon in order to move the Earth into a sensible orbit.

John Savard