What Kind of Organization Questions Global Warming?

On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 5:44:54 PM UTC+1, Sam Wormley wrote:


Many sci.astro.amateur posters (possibly in climate change denial
in the past) are starting to acknowledge that global warming is
happening and can see evidence of the same.


Global warming happens every day but you unfortunates are adamant that there are more rotations than days in a year thereby destroying the correlation between daily temperature fluctuations and the underlying cause -

" It is a fact not generally known that,owing to the difference between solar and sidereal time,the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often than there are days in the year" NASA /Harvard

Try that out and see if it works with a temperature graph -

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg

I wonder who has enough sense to realize that we don't want to be caught as the dumbest possible generation of people ever to set foot on a planet because a few empirical modelers went on a solo run ?.

It is beyond obscene but it is real and it is eroding Western civilization to the point where it no longer deserves the title of civilized, at least where astronomy and terrestrial sciences are involved.

Remind me Sam how many times the planet turns for the corresponding time it takes to complete an orbital circuit ?.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:25:44 -0500, David Staup
wrote:

when did the little ice age begin?

answer: at the end of the med-evil warming period

The medieval warming was a regional or hemispherical phenomenon, not
global.

if you want I can take this back further... like to the end of the last
ice age and beyond....you idiot

We're still in the last ice age. Perhaps you mean "glaciation"?

One statement here on CO2....life in general has done much better at
higher CO2 levels than today and THAT is the only measure that counts.

Not always. The evidence not strongly points to the Permian extinction
event as being substantially caused by high CO2 levels, and
particularly to rapid changes (over several tens of thousands of
years). The result was an increase in ocean acidification with the
consequent extinction of more than 95% of ocean life and 70% of
terrestrial life.

The current rate of CO2 increase (which is anthropogenic) is greater
than the rate leading up to the Permian extinction.

Furthermore, it has already been established that most of our
important food crops have worse yields with higher CO2 levels. Only
leaf crops do better, and we don't have staple leaf crops. Grain
crops- wheat, rice, and corn- all do worse.

Life in general may or may not do better with what's happening.
Humans, not so much.

never heard of the carbon cycle....you idiot

It's impossible to understand climate without taking it into
consideration.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:14:03 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote this crap:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:25:44 -0500, David Staup
wrote:

when did the little ice age begin?

answer: at the end of the med-evil warming period

The medieval warming was a regional or hemispherical phenomenon, not
global.

if you want I can take this back further... like to the end of the last
ice age and beyond....you idiot

We're still in the last ice age. Perhaps you mean "glaciation"?

One statement here on CO2....life in general has done much better at
higher CO2 levels than today and THAT is the only measure that counts.

Not always. The evidence not strongly points to the Permian extinction
event as being substantially caused by high CO2 levels, and
particularly to rapid changes (over several tens of thousands of
years). The result was an increase in ocean acidification with the
consequent extinction of more than 95% of ocean life and 70% of
terrestrial life.

The current rate of CO2 increase (which is anthropogenic) is greater
than the rate leading up to the Permian extinction.

Furthermore, it has already been established that most of our
important food crops have worse yields with higher CO2 levels. Only
leaf crops do better, and we don't have staple leaf crops. Grain
crops- wheat, rice, and corn- all do worse.

Crops do worse with higher CO2 levels? Quickly! To the Vathcave!


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Lord Vath wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:14:03 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote this crap:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:25:44 -0500, David Staup
wrote:

when did the little ice age begin?

answer: at the end of the med-evil warming period

The medieval warming was a regional or hemispherical phenomenon, not
global.

if you want I can take this back further... like to the end of the last
ice age and beyond....you idiot

We're still in the last ice age. Perhaps you mean "glaciation"?

One statement here on CO2....life in general has done much better at
higher CO2 levels than today and THAT is the only measure that counts.

Not always. The evidence not strongly points to the Permian extinction
event as being substantially caused by high CO2 levels, and
particularly to rapid changes (over several tens of thousands of
years). The result was an increase in ocean acidification with the
consequent extinction of more than 95% of ocean life and 70% of
terrestrial life.

The current rate of CO2 increase (which is anthropogenic) is greater
than the rate leading up to the Permian extinction.

Furthermore, it has already been established that most of our
important food crops have worse yields with higher CO2 levels. Only
leaf crops do better, and we don't have staple leaf crops. Grain
crops- wheat, rice, and corn- all do worse.

Crops do worse with higher CO2 levels? Quickly! To the Vathcave!


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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...oxide-science/

Mike Collins wrote:
Lord Vath wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:14:03 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote this crap:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:25:44 -0500, David Staup
wrote:

when did the little ice age begin?

answer: at the end of the med-evil warming period

The medieval warming was a regional or hemispherical phenomenon, not
global.

if you want I can take this back further... like to the end of the last
ice age and beyond....you idiot

We're still in the last ice age. Perhaps you mean "glaciation"?

One statement here on CO2....life in general has done much better at
higher CO2 levels than today and THAT is the only measure that counts.

Not always. The evidence not strongly points to the Permian extinction
event as being substantially caused by high CO2 levels, and
particularly to rapid changes (over several tens of thousands of
years). The result was an increase in ocean acidification with the
consequent extinction of more than 95% of ocean life and 70% of
terrestrial life.

The current rate of CO2 increase (which is anthropogenic) is greater
than the rate leading up to the Permian extinction.

Furthermore, it has already been established that most of our
important food crops have worse yields with higher CO2 levels. Only
leaf crops do better, and we don't have staple leaf crops. Grain
crops- wheat, rice, and corn- all do worse.

Crops do worse with higher CO2 levels? Quickly! To the Vathcave!


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and some better news in this:

http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowl...arbon-13254108

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:43:37 -0400, Lord Vath
wrote:

Crops do worse with higher CO2 levels? Quickly! To the Vathcave!

Grain crops, which are the staple food sources of human, appear to
have decreased yields when CO2 levels are higher.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:58:32 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote this crap:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:43:37 -0400, Lord Vath
wrote:

Crops do worse with higher CO2 levels? Quickly! To the Vathcave!

Grain crops, which are the staple food sources of human, appear to
have decreased yields when CO2 levels are higher.

The only grain I care about is barley and hops.


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On 22/04/2015 00:34, Lord Vath wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:58:32 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote this crap:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:43:37 -0400, Lord Vath
wrote:

Crops do worse with higher CO2 levels? Quickly! To the Vathcave!

Grain crops, which are the staple food sources of human, appear to
have decreased yields when CO2 levels are higher.

The only grain I care about is barley and hops.

Ah, that explains a lot.

On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 17:58:33 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:43:37 -0400, Lord Vath
wrote:

Crops do worse with higher CO2 levels? Quickly! To the Vathcave!

Grain crops, which are the staple food sources of human, appear to
have decreased yields when CO2 levels are higher.

And yet there is less starvation in the world (despite 7 billion population) than EVER before. Next!

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 20:31:48 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

And yet there is less starvation in the world (despite 7 billion population) than EVER before. Next!

Non sequitur.