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Old December 5th 09, 09:11 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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"Why the Ares-1 is already DEAD" article:
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http://www.ghostnasa.com/posts2/058ares1dead.html
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Old December 5th 09, 01:09 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Dec 5, 4:11*am, gaetanomarano wrote:
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"Why the Ares-1 is already DEAD" article:
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Old news

But it isn't for any of the reasons you provide. Your analysis is all
screwed up.
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Old December 5th 09, 06:36 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Me wrote:

But it isn't for any of the reasons you provide. Your analysis is all
screwed up.


Particularly this part:

"The 1-X test shows that a standard SRB can be launched alone with an
cargo payload and probably also with a manned capsule atop it (despite,
NOT so heavy like the current Orion design) and that its thrust
oscillation is better than expected but the crucial figure of the 1-X
test is at page 15 of the 30 Day Report where it states that the
'Altitude at separation' has been '~128 kft (nominal ~ 129 kft)'
that's around 39 km."

Apparently, those are really small kilometers. :-D

Pat

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Old December 5th 09, 08:54 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On 5 Dic, 23:17, Pat Flannery wrote:


The implication in the article is that the Ares ended up 39 kilometers
below the intended altitude.


no, it's 6 km. UNDER the altitude where the Shuttle SRB are jettisoned
(45 km.) and about 16-17 km. UNDER the expected Ares-1 stage
separation (55-57 km.)

also, the 5-segments SRB can't reach the same altitude of the 1-X
(with the same upperstages mass) since the SRB-5 burns only 116
seconds instead of 124 seconds of a standard SRB

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Old December 5th 09, 09:36 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Dec 5, 12:54*pm, gaetanomarano wrote:
On 5 Dic, 23:17, Pat Flannery wrote:



The implication in the article is that the Ares ended up 39 kilometers
below the intended altitude.


no, it's 6 km. UNDER the altitude where the Shuttle SRB are jettisoned
(45 km.) and about 16-17 km. UNDER the expected Ares-1 stage
separation (55-57 km.)

also, the 5-segments SRB can't reach the same altitude of the 1-X
(with the same upperstages mass) since the SRB-5 burns only 116
seconds instead of 124 seconds of a standard SRB


Perhaps more smoke and better mirrors is all our NASA needs.

~ BG

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Old December 5th 09, 09:38 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Dec 5, 5:09*am, Me wrote:
On Dec 5, 4:11*am, gaetanomarano wrote:

--
"Why the Ares-1 is already DEAD" article:
--http://www.ghostnasa.com/posts2/058ares1dead.html
--


Old news

But it isn't for any of the reasons you provide. *Your analysis is all
screwed up.


Not nearly as badly as is yours.

~ BG
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Old December 5th 09, 10:17 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:

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:"... test is at page 15 of the 30 Day Report where it states that the
:'Altitude at separation' has been '~128 kft (nominal ~ 129 kft)'
:that's around 39 km."
:
:Apparently, those are really small kilometers. :-D
:

Really? I make 128,000 feet as 39.0144 kilometers.


The implication in the article is that the Ares ended up 39 kilometers
below the intended altitude.
It's a pretty article, with lots of red and yellow highlighting in the
text: http://www.ghostnasa.com/posts2/058ares1dead.html
But it needs more exclamation points to get up to full-blown rant speed.
Mentioning the Antichrist at some point always helps in this regard also.

Pat


 




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