Eyes on the solar system

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 11:19:00 AM UTC-6, oriel36 wrote:

Listen to me you horrible piece of work and all those like you - there is
nothing other than 365 1/4 rotations within an orbital circumference which
spreads out to 1461 rotations inside four orbital circuits which in turn is
formatted as full rotations within the calendar framework. Be silent if you
wish or scream all you like, it doesn't change those facts which you cretins
have tried to do.

You are the one whose rhetoric amounts to screaming, and you are the one who will fail to change the facts.

John Savard

oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 5:57:32 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:

Understand that every time you claim that "...after a decade in this
forum where not a single observer has promoted the actual system where
days and rotations keep in step", you are repeating a lie, and are
therefore proven to be a liar.

Listen to me very carefully.

Hard to listen when you are writing not speaking.

A co-pilot set out last week to purposely crash a plane into an Alpine
ravine thereby using one of the greatest innovations of the 20th century,
an airplane in this case, to achieve his purpose.

A man with no empathy who thought his own concerns were more important than
anybody else.

You horrible people come here each and every day with the notion that
there are 366 1/4 rotations inside an orbital circuit by using one of the
greatest innovations of the 17th and 18th century, in this case an
accurate watch, to drive astronomy into the ground.

We don't do anything of the sort. We merely observe the universe and note
that science has explained these facts well.

There is a lethal indifference to common sense and there is something
chilling about the abnormality where the captain pleaded with the
co-pilot to let him in but was met with a silence of a person determined
to carry out his own personal agenda at the expense of innocent people.


Written on seeing a louse in a ladies bonnet in church


O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!

The pilot,like you had no empathy and believed his personal views to be
more important than anything.
Does this seem familiar to you? It should!

Listen to me you horrible piece of work and all those like you - there is
nothing other than 365 1/4 rotations within an orbital circumference
which spreads out to 1461 rotations inside four orbital circuits which
in turn is formatted as full rotations within the calendar framework. Be
silent if you wish or scream all you like, it doesn't change those facts
which you cretins have tried to do.

None of the people here would kill for an idea but I suspect you would if
you thought it would advance your cause. You are the person talking about
screaming and suffering.You are wrong in almost everything you write. You
are also an ungrateful wretch!

Gerald - your problems are 100% of your own making.

I would still encourage readers not to interact with the proven liar Gerald Kelleher. You will be wasting your own time and, more importantly, you will also be encouraging Gerald to continue in his self-harming activities.

Gerald, because of the severe and life-long condition from which he suffers, is unable to accept anything that differs from his own unique view of the world. Getting him to change his mind is not possible nor is getting him to respond to questions.

Equally important is that most regulars remain totally unconvinced that Gerald believes most of the voodoo he keeps chanting out. Some of his favourite topics from the past have been quietly dropped from his menu and this probably reflects the fact that he has finally realised that on that particular issue he was 100% wrong?

The way he seems to endlessly repeats variations of the same anti-social and inconsiderate behaviour is just a symptom of his serious illness. He quite literally cannot stop himself from posting - it has pretty much become his "life". It is hard to find any evidence that he has an existence outside his handful of totally trivial obsessions.

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 08:08:22 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

How could anybody read Gerald's latest postings without being very concerned about his mental health??


I can't sleep at night -- but that could be because of BPH.

--
Email address is a Spam trap.

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:36:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

The pilot,like you had no empathy and believed his personal views to be
more important than anything.
Does this seem familiar to you? It should!


It sure does sound familiar in that every historical and technical detail ever written up to the late 17th century supports the use of the average 24 hour day to substitute for a single daily rotation and the seamless progression of those days and rotations in sync including February 29th as the rotation that closes out 4 annual circuits.

In your empirical sewer you start off with rotation once in 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds and extend it out to 366 1/4 rotations within one orbital circuit and that undermines the observational fact that the Sun arcs from horizon to horizon and the stars come into view each night due to a single rotation.

You lack that feeling for your surroundings but that would be fine if it were not that your cult uses the vehicle of the education system to drive astronomy into the ground by preventing basic facts from surfacing into the classrooms of schools and colleges.

What must it take for a human being to wake up each day to dawn and not put that event in context of a full rotation ? - you and the rest here have proven a living nightmare that you can -

" During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26 times" Wikipedia

That is the sound of people crashing an astronomical heritage into the ground.

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:36:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

None of the people here would kill for an idea

You care enough to come here each day and argue against the astronomical heritage which produces the timekeeping system where the concept of a day and a rotation are inseparable with all the experiences keeping the day and rotation in sync. Killing a student's interest in their surroundings is every bit as cruel as those middle Eastern thugs who tried to destroy an ancient heritage because it didn't fit in with their present agenda.

The Lat/Long system announces the links between timekeeping and daily rotation yet you can't bring yourself to look at that system within context of the calendar framework where the progression of days and rotations eventually merge very closely to an orbital circumference using a leap day rotation.

In your unthinking mind the Earth turns 366 1/4 times arising from the 'solar vs sidereal' time fiction and that makes you something of an enemy of all that is good about human intelligence and achievement.

oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:36:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

The pilot,like you had no empathy and believed his personal views to be
more important than anything.
Does this seem familiar to you? It should!


It sure does sound familiar in that every historical and technical detail
ever written up to the late 17th century supports the use of the average
24 hour day to substitute for a single daily rotation and the seamless
progression of those days and rotations in sync including February 29th
as the rotation that closes out 4 annual circuits.

But we have progressed from that era while you remain mired in
pre-scientific ignorance.

In your empirical sewer you start off with rotation once in 23 hours 56
minutes 04 seconds and extend it out to 366 1/4 rotations within one
orbital circuit and that undermines the observational fact that the Sun
arcs from horizon to horizon and the stars come into view each night due
to a single rotation.

I'm sorry to inform you that I don't live in a sewer.

You lack that feeling for your surroundings but that would be fine if it
were not that your cult uses the vehicle of the education system to drive
astronomy into the ground by preventing basic facts from surfacing into
the classrooms of schools and colleges.

You can help them by explaining the reason why the 23 hour 56 minute and
four second sidereal rotation is so constant while the solar day varies so
much.Otherwise they will use their brains and deduce that the sidereal
rotation is the true rotation of the planet while the solar day is just a
composite of orbital motion and sidereal rotation.
Please explain this in a way that an intelligent child would understand. If
you can't do this they will ignore you as a crank.I imagine your own
grandchildren do this.


What must it take for a human being to wake up each day to dawn and not
put that event in context of a full rotation ? - you and the rest here
have proven a living nightmare that you can -

" During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26 times" Wikipedia

That is the sound of people crashing an astronomical heritage into the ground.

No. The the educated and intelligent sleep soundly on that account. They
may be more worried about war, sickness, poverty, crime, terrorism and
other things that are to insignificant to bother you. I suspect you can't
sleep for worrying that you may be wrong. Your subconscious is torturing
you for your heresies and you can't accept it. When you finally admit how
wrong you are you will sleep well.

You are already destined for hell since you accuse everyone accepting the
sidereal day as anti-Christian. That includes the whole Catholic church and
the Pope.

Buns described folk like you perfectly!

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 10:35:58 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:36:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

The pilot,like you had no empathy and believed his personal views to be
more important than anything.
Does this seem familiar to you? It should!


It sure does sound familiar in that every historical and technical detail
ever written up to the late 17th century supports the use of the average
24 hour day to substitute for a single daily rotation and the seamless
progression of those days and rotations in sync including February 29th
as the rotation that closes out 4 annual circuits.

But we have progressed from that era while you remain mired in
pre-scientific ignorance.


You are acting like the co-pilot in shutting out common sense by virtue that the ancient authorities realized the need for an extra day/rotation which maintained a close fix with the annual points of the Solstices and Equinoxes.

Preventing the greater part of humanity from engaging with astronomy at its most intimate and spiritual,not as a magnification exercise at night but in the most immediate experiences that shape us as human beings and all life that responds to each rotation and each season, you act like those middle Eastern thugs trying to wipe out ancient insights and achievements.

You do not struggle with the meaningless 366 1/4 rotations per annual circuit and this is failed intelligence for although accurate watches are useful, they cannot be used as weapons to serve some rotating celestial sphere ideology that attempts to obliterate the Lat/Long system which organizes timekeeping around the Earth's geometry and daily rotational characteristics..

You have progressed to being unthinking and unfeeling thugs with no feel for why the Sun moves from horizon to horizon or why the stars come into view as the Earth turns each day and if that isn't pitiable then nothing is.

oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 10:35:58 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:36:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

The pilot,like you had no empathy and believed his personal views to be
more important than anything.
Does this seem familiar to you? It should!


It sure does sound familiar in that every historical and technical detail
ever written up to the late 17th century supports the use of the average
24 hour day to substitute for a single daily rotation and the seamless
progression of those days and rotations in sync including February 29th
as the rotation that closes out 4 annual circuits.

But we have progressed from that era while you remain mired in
pre-scientific ignorance.


You are acting like the co-pilot in shutting out common sense by virtue
that the ancient authorities realized the need for an extra day/rotation
which maintained a close fix with the annual points of the Solstices and Equinoxes.

Preventing the greater part of humanity from engaging with astronomy at
its most intimate and spiritual,not as a magnification exercise at night
but in the most immediate experiences that shape us as human beings and
all life that responds to each rotation and each season, you act like
those middle Eastern thugs trying to wipe out ancient insights and achievements.

You do not struggle with the meaningless 366 1/4 rotations per annual
circuit and this is failed intelligence for although accurate watches
are useful, they cannot be used as weapons to serve some rotating
celestial sphere ideology that attempts to obliterate the Lat/Long system
which organizes timekeeping around the Earth's geometry and daily
rotational characteristics.

You have progressed to being unthinking and unfeeling thugs with no feel
for why the Sun moves from horizon to horizon or why the stars come into
view as the Earth turns each day and if that isn't pitiable then nothing is.

My previous post upset you did it.

Here are the bits you snipped.

oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:36:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
The pilot,like you had no empathy and believed his personal views to be
more important than anything. Does this seem familiar to you? It should!
It sure does sound familiar in that every historical and technical detail
ever written up to the late 17th century supports the use of the average 24
hour day to substitute for a single daily rotation and the seamless
progression of those days and rotations in sync including February 29th as
the rotation that closes out 4 annual circuits.

But we have progressed from that era while you remain mired in
pre-scientific ignorance.
In your empirical sewer you start off with rotation once in 23 hours 56
minutes 04 seconds and extend it out to 366 1/4 rotations within one
orbital circuit and that undermines the observational fact that the Sun
arcs from horizon to horizon and the stars come into view each night due to
a single rotation.
I'm sorry to inform you that I don't live in a sewer.
You lack that feeling for your surroundings but that would be fine if it
were not that your cult uses the vehicle of the education system to drive
astronomy into the ground by preventing basic facts from surfacing into the
classrooms of schools and colleges.
You can help them by explaining the reason why the 23 hour 56 minute and
four second sidereal rotation is so constant while the solar day varies so
much.Otherwise they will use their brains and deduce that the sidereal
rotation is the true rotation of the planet while the solar day is just a
composite of orbital motion and sidereal rotation. Please explain this in a
way that an intelligent child would understand. If you can't do this they
will ignore you as a crank.I imagine your own grandchildren do this.

What must it take for a human being to wake up each day to dawn and not put
that event in context of a full rotation ? - you and the rest here have
proven a living nightmare that you can -

" During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26
times" Wikipedia

That is the sound of people crashing an astronomical heritage into the
ground.

No. The the educated and intelligent sleep soundly on that account. They
may be more worried about war, sickness, poverty, crime, terrorism and
other things that are to insignificant to bother you. I suspect you can't
sleep for worrying that you may be wrong. Your subconscious is torturing
you for your heresies and you can't accept it. When you finally admit how
wrong you are you will sleep well.

You are already destined for hell since you accuse everyone accepting the
sidereal day as anti-Christian. That includes the whole Catholic church and
the Pope.

Buns described folk like you perfectly!

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion: What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us, An' ev'n
devotion!

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 10:35:58 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

" During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366..26 times" Wikipedia

That is the sound of people crashing an astronomical heritage into the ground.

No. The the educated and intelligent sleep soundly on that account.

The Earth doesn't turn exactly 365 1/4 times per circuit hence the extra rotation of February 29th brings the Earth into a close proximity to its position that began 4 years earlier. The drift in orbital position became noticeable after many centuries as Good Friday is pinned to the reckoning of the Equinox so the Catholic Church rectified the observation by taking 10 days off the imperfect calendar framework where timekeeping merges with planetary dynamics. It took the dummies of the Royal Society about 150 years to apply the necessary correction by which time it required an 11 day adjustment.. It goes to show that indeed the academics (neither intelligent nor educated in this case) could sleep soundly without feeling any need to act.


This is far different and much worse, this is not even about why the 24 hours of rotation also represents 24 hours of orbital motion in defining the number of rotations it takes to complete 4 orbital circuits which reduces to 365 1/4 rotations per circuit, this is the most fundamental experience of one rotation and all its effects within a 24 hour day below which it is not possible to consider a society civilized . Astronomy and terrestrial sciences cease to exist as a matter of human reasoning and the fact that in two decades there has been nothing but pure animosity towards intrinsic human experiences of each rotation as the body,mind and spirit experiences them is remarkable in any era let alone this one.

Hell is nothing other than a spiritless existence full of pretense while the 'kingdom of heaven' and a spirited existence is always within the person where the life of the individual and the Universal dissolve up to a point - everything in God and God in all things. No material wealth can match the intimacy of the celestial arena and the motions of the Earth within that arena as the rhythms of our bodies respond to the dual surface rotations to our parent star but with you dummies willing to disturb the very connection between the 24 hour day and a single rotation,you prevent people from being soothed by that connection between individual and the great motions that make all life possible.

Hell is not letting the glimpses of reasoning through and that is why the actions of that co-pilot reflect on your group who continue on your destructive path using the education system . Heaven is always here but it is known by the spirit which lights up creation as it actually exists as opposed to conjuring notions up in your head.