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Old June 29th 04, 11:46 AM
Pat Flannery
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Hop David wrote:


After my Mom explained to me that hydrogen peroxide was water with an
extra oxygen atom, I tried helping out some of our fish by
"oxygenating" the water. That didn't work very well .



A co-worker of mine worked at a pet store where they used hydrogen
peroxide to revive fish that arrived in bad condition after shipment,
the key is to only use a very small amount of it in proportion to the
amount of water in the tank.


Rat Fink and other Ed Big Daddy Roth models couldn't be fully
appreciated unless seen through the lens of a Testor glue buzz.



Weren't those ruby eye jewels cool?

Pat

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Old June 29th 04, 02:25 PM
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Pat Flannery wrote:


Hop David wrote:


After my Mom explained to me that hydrogen peroxide was water with an
extra oxygen atom, I tried helping out some of our fish by
"oxygenating" the water. That didn't work very well .




A co-worker of mine worked at a pet store where they used hydrogen
peroxide to revive fish that arrived in bad condition after shipment,
the key is to only use a very small amount of it in proportion to the
amount of water in the tank.


Rat Fink and other Ed Big Daddy Roth models couldn't be fully
appreciated unless seen through the lens of a Testor glue buzz.




Weren't those ruby eye jewels cool?

Pat



And the swivel arm was pretty neat.

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Old June 29th 04, 08:32 PM
Darren J Longhorn
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:10:32 -0500, Pat Flannery
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Part of an old posting, regarding the tiny AMT Apollo CSM/LM kit:

"Whoop-tee-doo for the young
space enthusiast whose parents gave him this tiny gift rather than the
Almost God-like Revell Saturn V; or wonderful Apollo/LM kit with upper
S-IVB stage and escape tower in 1/48th scale... I say that we track
down the address of every Commie-Loving Pinko Parent who thought that
they COULDN'T afford a DECENT Apollo model for little Timmy; and have
Buzz beat them to within an inch of their Miserable Red Lives- so it may
have meant taking a second job....would you prefer Timmy to be a ROCKET
SCIENTIST...or some DOPE SMOKING, ANTI-MOON, _HIPPY_ because YOU couldn't
spring for the few extra dollars that the child needed for a REAL model
of an Apollo?! My parents bought me THE GOOD ONES, and as Monogram
Models assured us on the side of their model kit boxes: "A Boy's Future
Begins With Model Building....".... ABSOLUTELY FUKIN' RIGHT, MONOGRAM! I
remember those days... frantically gluing and painting those wonderful
models in our tiny unventilated kitchen dinette, woozy as hell from the
fumes of the Testor's paint and plastic model cement, and thinking:
"THIS IS HOW MY FUTURE BEGINS- I DON'T NEED DRUGS!"...and from the
ceiling, Wernher von Braun would reach down to congratulate me on my
civic patriotism, and place his winged, purple-clawed hand into my
translucent twelve-fingered one.....excuse me....I seem to be drifting a
bit."


This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit...

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Old June 29th 04, 09:33 PM
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:32:02 +0100, Darren J Longhorn
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This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit...


....The same Chrisnukkah I got the Revell 1/96 Saturn V, I also got the
Monogram 1/whatever scale version. the only positive thing about that
Monogram disaster was the base, which was far more stable in holding
the kit upright than the one provided for the Revell one(*). To see
just how inaccurate it is, you only have to start with the engine
section of the S-II stage. A flat disk holding five basic cone shapes,
looking AbZero like J-2 engines. Add to that the SLA panels are too
long, and the CSM stack is misproportioned as well. It was, honestly,
something Monogram must have thrown together at the last minute to try
and steal holiday sales from Revell. The fears were justified, however
- turns out that Revell's top-selling kit that year was the S-V kit.
Ironically, tho, that sales boom lasted only for that holiday season,
as by 1970 it was one of Revell's lower-selling kits. They'd basically
saturated their target market and the holiday impulse buyer market
both in the last two months of 1969, and from there sales plummeted.
It's why there's been only the one re-release, and that came from
Revellogram Germany and had to be imported into the US.

I really need to buy one of those damn things as well as the
correction kits...

(*) Some years later, I reused the Revell base for a display stand for
a severely modified Darth Vader Advanced TIE fighter. Looked pretty
cool with the Astrolite rods holding it suspended above the deck, too
:-)
OM

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Old June 29th 04, 09:35 PM
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:33:43 -0500, OM
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:32:02 +0100, Darren J Longhorn
wrote:

This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit...


...The same Chrisnukkah I got the Revell 1/96 Saturn V, I also got the
Monogram 1/whatever scale version. the only positive thing about that
Monogram disaster was the base, which was far more stable in holding
the kit upright than the one provided for the Revell one(*). To see


The Airfix kit shares many of the errors of the Monogram, I believe,
but I never even heard of the Revell kit until I was in my teens. I
did rectify the Airfix desire by buying a couple of kits a few years
ago though. I've even flown one of them:
http://www.nsrg.org.uk/projects/saturn_v_pmc/

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Old June 29th 04, 10:03 PM
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:35:45 +0100, Darren J Longhorn
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The Airfix kit shares many of the errors of the Monogram, I believe,


....And for some years after the Airfix kit showed up, people believed
that Airfix had simply bought the tooling from Monogram, as they had
quit producing the kit for a number of years. There's differences,
tho, that allow one to tell the two kits apart. I used to have a link
to a site that compared the two, but it's no longer there as most
Geo****ties sites tend to become :-)

but I never even heard of the Revell kit until I was in my teens.


....First saw it in most DC comic books in September-October '69, and
knew right off I wanted one. However, $10 for a "goddamn model kit" in
1969 was a *lot* of money, which is why I wound up getting one for
Chrisnukkah. At that time, Sears was the only place in town that had
any, as the two local hobby shops that carried anything besides
****ing NASCAR kits had either sold out weeks earlier or "we don't
carry bull**** kits like that! We only carry car kits that normal kids
build!"(*). Sears, on the other hand, had them stacked like ****ing
cordwood, IIRC 15 high, all on their sides. and at least ten deep. And
according to my Mom everyone in line had at least one, and someone had
four of them. and a couple of Testor's basic starter paint kits as
well.

....That Christmas was only exceeded by the one in '72, where after a
year of three landings I received the most presents I'd ever gotten
thanks to a couple of doting grandmothers who'd decided I needed an
extra reward for having successfully MC'd the school talent show
without telling any Nixon jokes, and without knowing it simultaneously
took advantage of a local department store chain going out of business
and dumping all their models, toys and kids' clothing for 1/3 price.
The wild part is that, even though they knew my tastes, they didn't
duplicate one single item between them.

(*) That old ****wit passed away a couple of years after that, and it
was possibly the first time I can recall being glad someone had
croaked. His kids closed down the shop, tho, and that left the one
shop in far south Austin - which, until the late 70's, was considered
not part of Austin, but actually a far north suburb of San Antonio and
treated as such - and even then most of what I wanted had to be
special ordered. It wasn't until the Village Hobby Shop opened in '75
or thereabouts that we got a decent kit source in North Austin again.
And no, don't even bring up that idiot Bob King and his ditz of a wife
over at King's Hobby. I haven't done business with them in over 25
years, and have no plans to ever do so again. But that's another
story...

I did rectify the Airfix desire by buying a couple of kits a few years
ago though. I've even flown one of them:
http://www.nsrg.org.uk/projects/saturn_v_pmc/


....I've seen your site before, as someone posted the link here quite a
while back. The fact that it didn't wind up as a lawn dart still
surprises me, as that's what most of my chute failures became during
my rocketry days.

OM

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Old June 29th 04, 10:12 PM
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Darren J Longhorn wrote:


This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit...


You do know that they're still out there? I've got one sitting two feet
from me at the moment...the one that blew my mind was the Monogram 1/32
scale cutaway Apollo CSM...which is three feet from me at the moment.
Both the Monogram and Airfix Saturn V's have there good and bad points,
the best one could be made by combining various parts of the two into
one model.
Of course, if you want something that will _really_ attract attention
and mystify your guests, you lay your hands on one of these:
http://www.realspacemodels.com/html/n1pg.htm
Pat


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Old June 29th 04, 10:35 PM
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:12:51 -0500, Pat Flannery
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Darren J Longhorn wrote:

This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit...


You do know that they're still out there? I've got one sitting two feet
from me at the moment...


Me too ;-)

Of course, if you want something that will _really_ attract attention
and mystify your guests, you lay your hands on one of these:
http://www.realspacemodels.com/html/n1pg.htm


I, dunno, I fancy one of these:
http://www.polecataerospace.com/saturn_v_-_10.htm

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Old June 29th 04, 10:36 PM
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:03:07 -0500, OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
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...I've seen your site before, as someone posted the link here quite a
while back. The fact that it didn't wind up as a lawn dart still
surprises me, as that's what most of my chute failures became during
my rocketry days.


Sheer luck.

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Old June 29th 04, 10:59 PM
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OM wrote:

...The same Chrisnukkah I got the Revell 1/96 Saturn V, I also got the
Monogram 1/whatever scale version.

1/144th scale

the only positive thing about that
Monogram disaster was the base, which was far more stable in holding
the kit upright than the one provided for the Revell one(*).

I can't even remember what the stand on Revell one looked like; I just
remember the self-stowage box for the finished model and the prepainted
wrap-around styrene sheet stage parts.

To see
just how inaccurate it is, you only have to start with the engine
section of the S-II stage. A flat disk holding five basic cone shapes,
looking AbZero like J-2 engines.

Which is odd, because they did have a J-2 on the third stage, so why
didn't they just use five more of those? The Airfix one has a far better
detailed second stage engine assembly. Also remember the strange
cone-with-top-hole the Monogram one had at the top of the second stage?
That made it look like the J-2 on the third stage was stuck into the
interior of the second stage's LH2 tank?

Add to that the SLA panels are too
long, and the CSM stack is misproportioned as well. It was, honestly,
something Monogram must have thrown together at the last minute to try
and steal holiday sales from Revell. The fears were justified, however
- turns out that Revell's top-selling kit that year was the S-V kit.
Ironically, tho, that sales boom lasted only for that holiday season,
as by 1970 it was one of Revell's lower-selling kits.

It had three basic problems:
1.) It was large and unwieldy when finished, and due to its lightweight
construction, easy to tip over.
2.) The scale was odd, and there were few other things in 1/96th scale
to compare it to (I'm trying to remember- were the Revell
Mercury-Redstone and Mercury-Atlas in 1/96th? I've got the
Mercury-Atlas, and that looks about right.)
3.) It was expensive, and the lower-cost Monogram one was more
reasonably sized, as well as more conventional in construction...in
later runs of the Monogram kit the two piece LM was replaced by one that
had opening legs and a separable upper stage IIRC, so that you could
simulate the whole trip like you could with the Revell one. Without the
CM falling off of the SM and breaking the three pins that held it on to
the SM, and without the odd widget the locked the LM to the CM snapping
off also.
Neither the Revell one or the Monogram one gave you the Boost Protective
Cover for the CM IIRC, but the Airfix one does.
Interestingly, the Airfix one is a late model Saturn V, with only four
solid motors on the interstage structure.
It also has separate thruster quads on the SM and LM, which are a nice
touch in this scale.


They'd basically saturated their target market and the holiday impulse buyer market
both in the last two months of 1969, and from there sales plummeted.
It's why there's been only the one re-release, and that came from
Revellogram Germany and had to be imported into the US.

I really need to buy one of those damn things as well as the
correction kits...

(*) Some years later, I reused the Revell base for a display stand for
a severely modified Darth Vader Advanced TIE fighter. Looked pretty
cool with the Astrolite rods holding it suspended above the deck, too
:-)


I converted a Revell 1/48th scale Apollo CM into a Lunokhod when I was a
kid. Guess what happened to the 1/48th scale LEM? You got it...Luna
sample return spacecraft! Even when I was young, red treason flowed in
my veins with the hydraulic force of the thundering deluge emanating
forth from a Stalinist hydroelectric dam!
Comrades! To the Moon!

Pat

 




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