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Hop David wrote: After my Mom explained to me that hydrogen peroxide was water with an extra oxygen atom, I tried helping out some of our fish by "oxygenating" the water. That didn't work very well . A co-worker of mine worked at a pet store where they used hydrogen peroxide to revive fish that arrived in bad condition after shipment, the key is to only use a very small amount of it in proportion to the amount of water in the tank. Rat Fink and other Ed Big Daddy Roth models couldn't be fully appreciated unless seen through the lens of a Testor glue buzz. Weren't those ruby eye jewels cool? Pat |
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Pat Flannery wrote: Hop David wrote: After my Mom explained to me that hydrogen peroxide was water with an extra oxygen atom, I tried helping out some of our fish by "oxygenating" the water. That didn't work very well . A co-worker of mine worked at a pet store where they used hydrogen peroxide to revive fish that arrived in bad condition after shipment, the key is to only use a very small amount of it in proportion to the amount of water in the tank. Rat Fink and other Ed Big Daddy Roth models couldn't be fully appreciated unless seen through the lens of a Testor glue buzz. Weren't those ruby eye jewels cool? Pat And the swivel arm was pretty neat. -- Hop David http://clowder.net/hop/index.html |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:10:32 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote: Part of an old posting, regarding the tiny AMT Apollo CSM/LM kit: "Whoop-tee-doo for the young space enthusiast whose parents gave him this tiny gift rather than the Almost God-like Revell Saturn V; or wonderful Apollo/LM kit with upper S-IVB stage and escape tower in 1/48th scale... I say that we track down the address of every Commie-Loving Pinko Parent who thought that they COULDN'T afford a DECENT Apollo model for little Timmy; and have Buzz beat them to within an inch of their Miserable Red Lives- so it may have meant taking a second job....would you prefer Timmy to be a ROCKET SCIENTIST...or some DOPE SMOKING, ANTI-MOON, _HIPPY_ because YOU couldn't spring for the few extra dollars that the child needed for a REAL model of an Apollo?! My parents bought me THE GOOD ONES, and as Monogram Models assured us on the side of their model kit boxes: "A Boy's Future Begins With Model Building....".... ABSOLUTELY FUKIN' RIGHT, MONOGRAM! I remember those days... frantically gluing and painting those wonderful models in our tiny unventilated kitchen dinette, woozy as hell from the fumes of the Testor's paint and plastic model cement, and thinking: "THIS IS HOW MY FUTURE BEGINS- I DON'T NEED DRUGS!"...and from the ceiling, Wernher von Braun would reach down to congratulate me on my civic patriotism, and place his winged, purple-clawed hand into my translucent twelve-fingered one.....excuse me....I seem to be drifting a bit." This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit... |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:32:02 +0100, Darren J Longhorn
wrote: This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit... ....The same Chrisnukkah I got the Revell 1/96 Saturn V, I also got the Monogram 1/whatever scale version. the only positive thing about that Monogram disaster was the base, which was far more stable in holding the kit upright than the one provided for the Revell one(*). To see just how inaccurate it is, you only have to start with the engine section of the S-II stage. A flat disk holding five basic cone shapes, looking AbZero like J-2 engines. Add to that the SLA panels are too long, and the CSM stack is misproportioned as well. It was, honestly, something Monogram must have thrown together at the last minute to try and steal holiday sales from Revell. The fears were justified, however - turns out that Revell's top-selling kit that year was the S-V kit. Ironically, tho, that sales boom lasted only for that holiday season, as by 1970 it was one of Revell's lower-selling kits. They'd basically saturated their target market and the holiday impulse buyer market both in the last two months of 1969, and from there sales plummeted. It's why there's been only the one re-release, and that came from Revellogram Germany and had to be imported into the US. I really need to buy one of those damn things as well as the correction kits... (*) Some years later, I reused the Revell base for a display stand for a severely modified Darth Vader Advanced TIE fighter. Looked pretty cool with the Astrolite rods holding it suspended above the deck, too :-) OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:33:43 -0500, OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:32:02 +0100, Darren J Longhorn wrote: This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit... ...The same Chrisnukkah I got the Revell 1/96 Saturn V, I also got the Monogram 1/whatever scale version. the only positive thing about that Monogram disaster was the base, which was far more stable in holding the kit upright than the one provided for the Revell one(*). To see The Airfix kit shares many of the errors of the Monogram, I believe, but I never even heard of the Revell kit until I was in my teens. I did rectify the Airfix desire by buying a couple of kits a few years ago though. I've even flown one of them: http://www.nsrg.org.uk/projects/saturn_v_pmc/ |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:35:45 +0100, Darren J Longhorn
wrote: The Airfix kit shares many of the errors of the Monogram, I believe, ....And for some years after the Airfix kit showed up, people believed that Airfix had simply bought the tooling from Monogram, as they had quit producing the kit for a number of years. There's differences, tho, that allow one to tell the two kits apart. I used to have a link to a site that compared the two, but it's no longer there as most Geo****ties sites tend to become :-) but I never even heard of the Revell kit until I was in my teens. ....First saw it in most DC comic books in September-October '69, and knew right off I wanted one. However, $10 for a "goddamn model kit" in 1969 was a *lot* of money, which is why I wound up getting one for Chrisnukkah. At that time, Sears was the only place in town that had any, as the two local hobby shops that carried anything besides ****ing NASCAR kits had either sold out weeks earlier or "we don't carry bull**** kits like that! We only carry car kits that normal kids build!"(*). Sears, on the other hand, had them stacked like ****ing cordwood, IIRC 15 high, all on their sides. and at least ten deep. And according to my Mom everyone in line had at least one, and someone had four of them. and a couple of Testor's basic starter paint kits as well. ....That Christmas was only exceeded by the one in '72, where after a year of three landings I received the most presents I'd ever gotten thanks to a couple of doting grandmothers who'd decided I needed an extra reward for having successfully MC'd the school talent show without telling any Nixon jokes, and without knowing it simultaneously took advantage of a local department store chain going out of business and dumping all their models, toys and kids' clothing for 1/3 price. The wild part is that, even though they knew my tastes, they didn't duplicate one single item between them. (*) That old ****wit passed away a couple of years after that, and it was possibly the first time I can recall being glad someone had croaked. His kids closed down the shop, tho, and that left the one shop in far south Austin - which, until the late 70's, was considered not part of Austin, but actually a far north suburb of San Antonio and treated as such - and even then most of what I wanted had to be special ordered. It wasn't until the Village Hobby Shop opened in '75 or thereabouts that we got a decent kit source in North Austin again. And no, don't even bring up that idiot Bob King and his ditz of a wife over at King's Hobby. I haven't done business with them in over 25 years, and have no plans to ever do so again. But that's another story... I did rectify the Airfix desire by buying a couple of kits a few years ago though. I've even flown one of them: http://www.nsrg.org.uk/projects/saturn_v_pmc/ ....I've seen your site before, as someone posted the link here quite a while back. The fact that it didn't wind up as a lawn dart still surprises me, as that's what most of my chute failures became during my rocketry days. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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Darren J Longhorn wrote: This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit... You do know that they're still out there? I've got one sitting two feet from me at the moment...the one that blew my mind was the Monogram 1/32 scale cutaway Apollo CSM...which is three feet from me at the moment. Both the Monogram and Airfix Saturn V's have there good and bad points, the best one could be made by combining various parts of the two into one model. Of course, if you want something that will _really_ attract attention and mystify your guests, you lay your hands on one of these: http://www.realspacemodels.com/html/n1pg.htm Pat |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:12:51 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote: Darren J Longhorn wrote: This struck a chord with me. I _so_ wanted that Airfix Saturn V kit... You do know that they're still out there? I've got one sitting two feet from me at the moment... Me too ;-) Of course, if you want something that will _really_ attract attention and mystify your guests, you lay your hands on one of these: http://www.realspacemodels.com/html/n1pg.htm I, dunno, I fancy one of these: http://www.polecataerospace.com/saturn_v_-_10.htm |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:03:07 -0500, OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote: ...I've seen your site before, as someone posted the link here quite a while back. The fact that it didn't wind up as a lawn dart still surprises me, as that's what most of my chute failures became during my rocketry days. Sheer luck. |
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OM wrote: ...The same Chrisnukkah I got the Revell 1/96 Saturn V, I also got the Monogram 1/whatever scale version. 1/144th scale the only positive thing about that Monogram disaster was the base, which was far more stable in holding the kit upright than the one provided for the Revell one(*). I can't even remember what the stand on Revell one looked like; I just remember the self-stowage box for the finished model and the prepainted wrap-around styrene sheet stage parts. To see just how inaccurate it is, you only have to start with the engine section of the S-II stage. A flat disk holding five basic cone shapes, looking AbZero like J-2 engines. Which is odd, because they did have a J-2 on the third stage, so why didn't they just use five more of those? The Airfix one has a far better detailed second stage engine assembly. Also remember the strange cone-with-top-hole the Monogram one had at the top of the second stage? That made it look like the J-2 on the third stage was stuck into the interior of the second stage's LH2 tank? Add to that the SLA panels are too long, and the CSM stack is misproportioned as well. It was, honestly, something Monogram must have thrown together at the last minute to try and steal holiday sales from Revell. The fears were justified, however - turns out that Revell's top-selling kit that year was the S-V kit. Ironically, tho, that sales boom lasted only for that holiday season, as by 1970 it was one of Revell's lower-selling kits. It had three basic problems: 1.) It was large and unwieldy when finished, and due to its lightweight construction, easy to tip over. 2.) The scale was odd, and there were few other things in 1/96th scale to compare it to (I'm trying to remember- were the Revell Mercury-Redstone and Mercury-Atlas in 1/96th? I've got the Mercury-Atlas, and that looks about right.) 3.) It was expensive, and the lower-cost Monogram one was more reasonably sized, as well as more conventional in construction...in later runs of the Monogram kit the two piece LM was replaced by one that had opening legs and a separable upper stage IIRC, so that you could simulate the whole trip like you could with the Revell one. Without the CM falling off of the SM and breaking the three pins that held it on to the SM, and without the odd widget the locked the LM to the CM snapping off also. Neither the Revell one or the Monogram one gave you the Boost Protective Cover for the CM IIRC, but the Airfix one does. Interestingly, the Airfix one is a late model Saturn V, with only four solid motors on the interstage structure. It also has separate thruster quads on the SM and LM, which are a nice touch in this scale. They'd basically saturated their target market and the holiday impulse buyer market both in the last two months of 1969, and from there sales plummeted. It's why there's been only the one re-release, and that came from Revellogram Germany and had to be imported into the US. I really need to buy one of those damn things as well as the correction kits... (*) Some years later, I reused the Revell base for a display stand for a severely modified Darth Vader Advanced TIE fighter. Looked pretty cool with the Astrolite rods holding it suspended above the deck, too :-) I converted a Revell 1/48th scale Apollo CM into a Lunokhod when I was a kid. Guess what happened to the 1/48th scale LEM? You got it...Luna sample return spacecraft! Even when I was young, red treason flowed in my veins with the hydraulic force of the thundering deluge emanating forth from a Stalinist hydroelectric dam! Comrades! To the Moon! Pat |
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