High-flight rate Medium vs. New Heavy lift launchers

On or about Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:21:52 -0800 (PST), Tom Merkle made the sensational claim that:
Fox can't help it that liberals see any middle position as
'conservative,' which I suppose it is compared to the left wing slant
that CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC have been spewing for years.

And most conservatives see that middle position as 'liberal'. If one
considers oneself liberal, and someone says something one doesn't agree with,
why must one immediately[1] label that person "conservative"? I, for one, am
tired of getting blasted as either because my opinions are not so monolithic
as most people.

Many
studies have documented this bias on political coverage, especially
with regard to word choice and segment selection.

Real actual studies on a subjective topic? Can you please cite at least one,
I'd love to see such a beast.

[1] I just learned to spell that word today. F**king *FINALLY*.
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:28:50 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
(Kathy Rages) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

In article ,
Rand Simberg wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111160,00.html


Nitpick: Dwayne Day was on the Columbia AIB, not Challenger.

Gaaahhhh!

Thanks. I'll see if I can get it fixed.

(Tom Merkle) wrote in message . com...
"The Ruzicka Family" wrote in message ...
The simple fact that you've established a public pulpit for your opinions
does nothing to make them any more relevant, or even fact-based, than
anyone
else's opinions, so please shelve your feelings of intellectual
superiority.
Particularly since you chose to align yourself with Fox.

-Kim-

LOL The "fair and balanced" news! Aligning oneself with Fox already
portrays a right-wing slant.

Fox can't help it that liberals see any middle position as
'conservative,' which I suppose it is compared to the left wing slant
that CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC have been spewing for years. Many
studies have documented this bias on political coverage, especially
with regard to word choice and segment selection. Did you know that
CNN, ABC, and Newsweek ALL had the exact same information for TWO
WEEKS prior to the story Drudge 'broke' on Monica Lewinski? I
certainly didn't see a delay in Bob Packwood, Anita Hill coverage or
this trumped up Bush Nat'l Guard issue.

it seems to be part of the general divisiveness in the nation these
days. Take my grandfather, for instance. He thinks that anything that
isn't Fox News is "liberal" - and refuses to recognize that all the
major news outlets get stories and info from each other. If confronted
with something truly left wing, like say commondreams.org or Pacifica
radio, he starts spouting anti-Communist rhetoric. All major media are
both biased and delibrately manipulative - just like the politicians
and business interests they serve. Television especially makes the
divides beween people wider, it is structurally hard to show more than
2 sides to a topic on TV.

Tom, I asked a couple days ago in another thread - why do you think
that Meridiani has life waiting right under Opportunity's nose?

josh

Tom Merkle

Kim Keller writes:



The most efficient
way to salvo launch is to assemble vehicles (ideally with
payloads) off-pad in an assembly building, then scoot 'em and
shoot 'em off of one or two pads. An extra one or two VIF
bays could turn SLC 41 into a salvo launcher.

We priced that option this past summer. Even that ain't cheap.

Can you tell us approximately how much?

Will McLean

"McLean1382" wrote in message
...
Can you tell us approximately how much?

Alas, no. But there were a significant amount of zeros...

-Kim-

"Magnus Redin" wrote in message
...
What is the rough number of employees for different parts
of the shuttle system?

I can only speak to the situation at KSC, where roughly 7000 people work on
Shuttle in some way, shape or form.

Needed for a fairly simple shuttle-c:
External tank handling equipment and staff.
SRB handling and staff.
Stacking equipment and staff.
Vab, crawler, launchpad and misc building maintainance
and support staff.

Hmmm, maybe 300? Depends on how many shifts of operations you want to run;
I'm thinking two shifts. I'm also adding some engineers into that, but not
typical administrative overhead.

New staff for a fairly simple shuttle-c:
RS-68 engine specialists.
Boat tail specilists, inertial system and avionics.
( TLI stage specialists are needed in any choice of
launchers. )

100-150, including engineers.

Made redundant:
Shuttle orbiter specialists, OMS, RCS, thermal protection,
enviromental systems, shuttle arm, ET-orbiter separation
system, landing gear, etc, etc.
Emergency airfield staff, orbiter landing staff, orbiter handling
equipment, orbiter transport 747:s.

How much of the total manpower is used for the orbiter?
75% or is it more?

Much less. Maybe 17% - perhaps 1000?

There would be a need for logistics people, schedulers, trainers, and other
misc. footsoldiers.
Bear in mind these numbers are for the launch site only.

-Kim-

Tom Merkle wrote:

Did you know that
CNN, ABC, and Newsweek ALL had the exact same information for TWO
WEEKS prior to the story Drudge 'broke' on Monica Lewinski?

Boy, I remember how well that whole thing went for the Republicans; not
only did the impeachment proceedings make them look like a bunch of
completely clueless jerks, but Clinton stiffed them when they wanted him
to resign, and they ended up with both Henry Hyde and Robert Livingstone
in deep doo-doo in the wildly entertaining "infidelity of the week"
scandals.
And now there is a rumor about Kerry and an intern; I wonder how _this_
will all play out?
With their "friends" being the human equivalent of sharks in a feeding
frenzy, they never need to worry about the Democrats being the the
primary threat to their success. That threat shall always be residing in
their own right wing.

Pat

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:34:09 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Pat Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

And now there is a rumor about Kerry and an intern; I wonder how _this_
will all play out?

That's more likely coming from a Democrat camp. If it were
Republicans, they'd have waited until October, not now, when the
primary's still at least theoretically in play.

If I had to put money on it, I'd say this has Lehane's fingerprints on
it.

Rand Simberg wrote:




And now there is a rumor about Kerry and an intern; I wonder how _this_
will all play out?



That's more likely coming from a Democrat camp. If it were
Republicans, they'd have waited until October, not now, when the
primary's still at least theoretically in play.

If I had to put money on it, I'd say this has Lehane's fingerprints on
it.


That's what Rush thinks; but I'd put my money of Matt Drudge being
unable to keep his mouth shut for more than one minute after hearing a
rumor. If Lehane's involved in this, it's very puzzling- as he was
Clark's press secretary, and Clark is expected to endorse Kerry later today.

Pat

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:17:26 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Pat Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

That's more likely coming from a Democrat camp. If it were
Republicans, they'd have waited until October, not now, when the
primary's still at least theoretically in play.

If I had to put money on it, I'd say this has Lehane's fingerprints on
it.

That's what Rush thinks

I wouldn't know...

but I'd put my money of Matt Drudge being
unable to keep his mouth shut for more than one minute after hearing a
rumor. If Lehane's involved in this, it's very puzzling- as he was
Clark's press secretary, and Clark is expected to endorse Kerry later today.

Clark was the one who said that Kerry might have an intern problem a
few days ago.

Here's something interesting. It was scooped by a blogger a few days
ago.

http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/...es/000780.html

It turns out that this isn't just any blogger. It was on a blog run
by this guy:

http://www.camworld.com/about/

Who works for this guy:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguid...larkblog_x.htm

Mysteriouser and mysteriouser, eh?