James Cameron's greenie lunacy takes him over the edge

On May 3, 10:54*am, wrote:
In article bf4328b6-d2b4-4677-89ea-
, says...

Murder would exist as a concept even without a law against it, at
least among people who live in civilized countries such as the US.
Sweden is probably less enlightened:

Yeah, sure. *For instance, the Swedish government and justice system
kills far more of its citizens in the "name of the law" than the US
government and legal systems does....

Those convicted of murder tend to get life sentences or less. Those
found guilty of particularly heinous murders get the death penalty,
although even then the appeals process often takes years/decades. The
actual number of executions is rather few.

One intersting note: if the US would want to become a member of the EU,
the US wouldn't be allowed to enter, because the US still has capital
punishment in its legal system.....

Conservatives in the US were not particularly interested in having
McVeigh around. Maybe we should have sent him to Sweden and let you
take care of him. BTW, how would you explain his crime in terms of
"inequality of wealth?"

Note I'm not saying you would want
to enter, but you would still not be allowed to enter....

Conservatives in the US are not interested in subsidizing bad other
nations' bad economic behavior.

On May 3, 11:04*am, wrote:
In article c68a9642-9779-4ef5-b5be-
, says...



On Apr 28, 2:49*pm, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:29:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
But you've made your point clear: you prefer to lock yourself up
in a
gated community, and pay large amounts for prisons, etc.
Did I ever say that? No.

You didn't say so,

Exactly, so you lied.

FYI: things can be true even if you never said so......

Yet you are wrong, and you know that you are wrong, and made a false
statement anyway.

but it follows from your opinions: no wealth
redistribution gives more uneven distribution of wealth,

Most people in the US make average incomes, and commit few crimes.
Even most "poor" people in the US commit no crimes. *For that matter,
most rich people commit no crimes.

Most peoples commit no crimes (or at least their crimes aren't
uncovered; I'm pretty sure a vast majority has commited small crimes
like e.g. walking across the street against a red light).

We are really only concerned about crimes committed against others.
We worry about jaywalking, because an innocent child can become a
victim, or because we don't want a 150-pound jaywalking liberal flying
through our windshields at 40+ MPH.

However, if
wealth is distributed very unevenly, the minority comitting crimes gets
larger.

Evidence? There is none. Thieves are simply lazy and worthless bums,
who don't deserve a bribe in order to behave.

About one percent of the entire US population are imprisoned. *In my own
country, only a few hundreds of a percent are imprisoned.

You have a very non-diverse, bland population. We should send some of
our crooks over there to liven things up for you. You will have to
raise your taxes to support them.

*which triggers more crime,

You seem to be confusing causes and effects. Criminals seem to operate
on a distorted sense of entitlement, probably have no work ethic to
begin with and would be poor regardless of any honest opportunities
available to *them. *Lefties can be similar in many regards.

That applies on an individual level. *If you want to know what happens
to an entire population, then wealth distribution is an important
factor.

Absolute nonsense. The existence of a few millionaires is
irrelevant. Statistically, crimes are committed against people of
much more modest incomes and who are law-abiding and live within their
means.

Consider why a larger part of the US population resides in
prison,

Because they have committed serious crimes.

compared with the corresponding figures for European countries:
despite many European countries being far more "leftist" than the US, we
do have a considerably smaller part of our population in prison. *Thus
it appears that rightist are more criminal than leftists....

Wrong. As I said before criminals and leftists have much in common.
They both think someone else owes them something.

which means more prisons must be built, and the
wealthy feels a need to protect themselves, which yields gated
communities.

There is nothing wrong with gated communities, although some criminals
probably find climbing over the fences to be inconvenient.

And you think there are nothing wrong with many prisons either ????

It is better than letting dangerous criminals roam free, although we
should send them to Sweden. You can give them money for rent, food
and other necessities such as alcohol, to keep them from committing
crimes. Apparently, Swedes are rich and sober enough to afford it.

Gated communities are a kind of voluntarily prisons, endured by people
who fear genuine freedom.

One tends to find such places in areas that are full of leftists.

On May 3, 2:21*pm, "Chris.B" wrote:
On May 3, 5:04*pm, wrote:



That applies on an individual level. *If you want to know what happens
to an entire population, then wealth distribution is an important
factor. *Consider why a larger part of the US population resides in
prison, compared with the corresponding figures for European countries:
despite many European countries being far more "leftist" than the US, we
do have a considerably smaller part of our population in prison. *Thus
it appears that rightist are more criminal than leftists....

There are a number of other factors which we in the "Lefty"
Scandinavian countries take completely for granted: Real respect for
human rights. Not just written rules which are completely ignored when
it suits those in power. Unemployment levels and the support and
treatment of the unemployed, while job seeking, where there are no
jobs to be found. Respect by the law enforcers for the suspect. The
American police have an appalling record of brutality, injustice,
murder and racism. Respect for human rights in prison. Respect for
human rights by the secret services. Respect for human rights by the
armed forces.

Scandinavia stood by and even abetted atrocities while Europe led the
world into a ruinous, genocidal war that killed over 50 million
people, mostly innocents, while suffering only minor civilian and
military deaths itself. The US (with some help from the UK, but not
France and certainly not Scandinavia) put a stop to the war in Western
Europe and then helped rebuild later. Since those days not much has
changed. Still weak militarily and culturally, Scandinavia will no
doubt sit out the next one as well.

These all add up to a catalogue of horrors which would cause the
immediate resignation of any Scandinavian government on the mere
mention of such hideous accusations. America openly tolerates slavery,
racism, brutality, dehumanisation, a crippled justice system based
entirely on income, a crippled education system based entirely on
income.

Hone schooling, private schooling and those public systems in well-run
conservative districts do just fine. It is only those public systems
run by leftists that seem to have problems.

The ostentatious exposure of untaxed wealth in a country
largely crippled by poverty is an open invitation to "redistribute"
wealth by force. Britain went down the same right wing path and crime
flourished. Nothing is sacred any more. Nothing too important or too
vital to society not to to steal.

So you advocate paying protection money to crooks?

Soft-socialist Denmark flirted with the right for a decade in a
desperate bid to stop open immigration of hostile aliens by the
pampered left. The changes this brought in Danish national behaviour
were very obvious. The swing back to the "safe" left during the
economic crisis may not be enough to rebuild what has been lost.

You never had much in the first place.

All
trust is gone. The redistribution of wealth to the already wealthy has
undone a whole century of progress towards equality. The long held
agreements between unions and the people is gone. One paragraph, in
the local papers, listing petty crimes, has become two whole pages in
only ten years.

So, who is committing these crimes?

There are no-go areas on some housing estates. Thieves
stroll the old people's homes looking for easy prey.

Aunt Minnie wouldn't think twice about perforating the bad guys.

People
trafficking and sex slavery are rife. All the exemplary environmental
controls have been trashed.

EXEMPLARY??

Denmark relies heavily on a filthy, globalized shipping industry,
burns much coal and buys nuclear-derived energy from others. You guys
should be relying _only_ on your windmills.

Breivik may be a freak but his gun spoke for many ordinary people in
Scandinavia. He may have chosen the wrong group for perfectly logical
but dangerously idealogical reasons. His actions will be brushed under
the carpet and deeply-divided, Scandinavian life will limp on. A
little America. With a growing list of all its faults but none of its
advantages of sheer size and a sociopathic indifference to the plight
of others.

I understand that Sweden wants to close down its nukes. You guys are
in for trouble, unless you can get some more windmills on line.

On Apr 30, 1:10*pm, Bert Hyman wrote:
Brown

wrote:
The UK government is not involved with guns at all.

Hey! That's funny!

+1

(The UK government IS involved with taking guns away from its
subjects, er, citizens, but only the honest, law-abiding ones.)