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Old June 23rd 05, 02:35 PM
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Landing a rover on Mars north pole is much harder to do than on its
equator,and yet the north pole with its white cap has the most important
information. Here is what I would do. Have two low orbiting
satellites the first to drop a bomb on the white cap that would blast
debris(gas dust and hopefully water vapor) that the second satellite can
pick up and analyze,as it moves through. This blast would create a new
crater and you can learn a lot from a new crater. It is like digging a
fast hole and if its 45 feet deep it gives you a peep inside. Reality
of NASA is it likes to play it safe by going back to the equator where
its analyzing equipment has over the last 32 years has shown not a
molecule of water in a billion parts of tested samples. The north pole
has always been the most logical place to look for water,and that is the
best reason the brains of NASA only look at the equator. Many Moons ago
I suggested a clean fission bomb for making such a crater,but I was told
that was not nice. Bert

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Old June 23rd 05, 11:01 PM
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Landing a rover on Mars north pole is much harder to do than on its
equator,and yet the north pole with its white cap has the most important
information. Here is what I would do. Have two low orbiting
satellites the first to drop a bomb on the white cap that would blast
debris(gas dust and hopefully water vapor) that the second satellite can
pick up and analyze,as it moves through. This blast would create a new
crater and you can learn a lot from a new crater. It is like digging a
fast hole and if its 45 feet deep it gives you a peep inside. Reality
of NASA is it likes to play it safe by going back to the equator where
its analyzing equipment has over the last 32 years has shown not a
molecule of water in a billion parts of tested samples. The north pole
has always been the most logical place to look for water,and that is the
best reason the brains of NASA only look at the equator. Many Moons ago
I suggested a clean fission bomb for making such a crater,but I was told
that was not nice. Bert



Why not just nuke the whole polar cap, Bert?

Then maybe we can detect some water vapor!

Double-A

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Old June 24th 05, 03:46 AM
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Double-A wrote:
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Landing a rover on Mars north pole is much harder to do than on its
equator,and yet the north pole with its white cap has the most important
information. Here is what I would do. Have two low orbiting
satellites the first to drop a bomb on the white cap that would blast
debris(gas dust and hopefully water vapor) that the second satellite can
pick up and analyze,as it moves through. This blast would create a new
crater and you can learn a lot from a new crater. It is like digging a
fast hole and if its 45 feet deep it gives you a peep inside. Reality
of NASA is it likes to play it safe by going back to the equator where
its analyzing equipment has over the last 32 years has shown not a
molecule of water in a billion parts of tested samples. The north pole
has always been the most logical place to look for water,and that is the
best reason the brains of NASA only look at the equator. Many Moons ago
I suggested a clean fission bomb for making such a crater,but I was told
that was not nice. Bert



Why not just nuke the whole polar cap, Bert?

Then maybe we can detect some water vapor!

Double-A


Double-A,

You surprise me. There is no need to be so crude !

" ... In just three years, a solar sail could reach a speed of over
100,000 miles per hour. ... " See http://tinyurl.com/abarq

Compare this to the ' Deep, deep, deep ' impactor impact of 23,000 mph
..
See http://tinyurl.com/6ksxj


Of greater interest. What exactly ' gives ' ?

- why is Project Director Louis Friedman all chuckles and smiles ?
- Don't you just dig those those groovey schematics of Cosmos 1
... snug as a bug on the wepons bus of an SS-N-18, here ...
... http://tinyurl.com/86lsl, here http://tinyurl.com/8w6cq ,
... here http://tinyurl.com/9fkx8 and here http://tinyurl.com/8fppb ?
- Why not use a Pegasus to put Cosmos 1 into orbit ?

"The three-stage Pegasus boosts small satellites
weighing up to 1,000 pounds into low-Earth orbit."
see http://www.orbital.com/NewsInfo/Publ...gasus_fact.pdf

I recall that Cosmos 1 weighed ~ 100 (???) lbs at lift off.

" - we are flying a very light spacecraft. Only 40 kg. " see
http://tinyurl.com/a8us8

Uncle Sam too cheap ?


"24. What happened on the suborbital test flight?

On July 20 2001 a suborbital test flight, designed to deploy two sails,
was launched from the submarine Borisoglebsk in the Barents Sea on
board a Volna rocket. Unfortunately the Volna's on-board computer
failed to issue the command for the spacecraft to separate from the
third stage of the rocket. Since the spacecraft remained housed within
the rocket, the sails could not deploy. The spacecraft and the third
stage of the rocket continued in ballistic flight and landed in
Kamchatka. In effect, although the launch was successful, the
suborbital deployment test never took place. " see
http://tinyurl.com/abarq

------------------

Build your own paper Pegasus here, http://tinyurl.com/afagy ...
Build your own paper Cosomos 1 here, http://tinyurl.com/94z5g ...
... Mate 'em and fly 'em like the big boys.

"John Garvey, data systems manager for Cosmos 1 lecturing on the
suborbital flight before the (1st) suborbital launch. "
See ~~~~~~~~~ http://tinyurl.com/c4uw6

=========

I may seem all bitter and ugly about this. I'm just having fun. I
sincerely believe that the day of ' Solar Sailing ' has arrived.

Bring on the boat races across the solar system ...

... and it's far better to use the old ICBM's rather than loose then
or use them, if you get what I mean ?

... with science done the old fashoned way, on the cheap,
internationally, with creativity, at risk.

Pity it didn't work. There was nothing shabby about the attempt.

... maybe next time.

the Raving Loonie

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Old June 24th 05, 03:05 PM
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Hi Double-A Nuke the top off of Mars Shame on you. Still it would be
made by humankind,and we could take pride in such an accomplishment.
However we must save as many nukes to create our destruction. I see
forces building up,and soon the **** will hit the fan. Humankind is
reaching its own "critical mass",and it will explode Bert

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Old June 25th 05, 12:23 AM
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Hi Double-A Nuke the top off of Mars Shame on you.



I was just following your line of thought (and being sarcastic).


Still it would be
made by humankind,and we could take pride in such an accomplishment.



Now you're being sarcastic.


However we must save as many nukes to create our destruction. I see
forces building up,and soon the **** will hit the fan. Humankind is
reaching its own "critical mass",and it will explode Bert



Yes Bert, the world is growing nuclear critical!

While I've never much liked the idea, I think maybe a world government
is the only way to get control of the situation. Einstein supported
it.

Double-A

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Old June 25th 05, 11:51 AM
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Hi Double-A One government,and one ethical religion could be
humankind's survival. It could happen when there are only 10 people
left. Bert

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Old June 28th 05, 10:21 PM
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Just a fast question. How low could we swoop a probe down to scoop
up some of that white frost? 32 years of probing Mars rocks,and sand for
water reminds me of the Shuttles doing low orbit experiments for 40
years. I think we had a orbiting Moon probe that came low to check out
some frost in one of the Moons craters. Any one know some thing on this?
Beert

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Old July 1st 05, 11:46 AM
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Landing a rover on Mars north pole is much harder to do than on its
equator,and yet the north pole with its white cap has the most important
information. Here is what I would do. Have two low orbiting
satellites the first to drop a bomb on the white cap that would blast
debris(gas dust and hopefully water vapor) that the second satellite can
pick up and analyze,as it moves through. This blast would create a new
crater and you can learn a lot from a new crater. It is like digging a
fast hole and if its 45 feet deep it gives you a peep inside. Reality
of NASA is it likes to play it safe by going back to the equator where
its analyzing equipment has over the last 32 years has shown not a
molecule of water in a billion parts of tested samples. The north pole
has always been the most logical place to look for water,and that is the
best reason the brains of NASA only look at the equator. Many Moons ago
I suggested a clean fission bomb for making such a crater,but I was told
that was not nice. Bert



Why not just nuke the whole polar cap, Bert?

Then maybe we can detect some water vapor!

Double-A


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