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alrightee then. Question for the brains in this group.
lately there has been a few pics of mars with a blue atmosphere, but
having said that.... ever taken a bike to the beach? notice how the tracks are left inprinted onto the sandy beach? or any wet ground surface? the tracks visible on this pics shows blatandly similar to what you would expect on a sandy beach/wet muddy area http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...M1_str1_br.jpg also, mars is suppose to be a COLD place.... When the ground is frozen , is a bit difficult to leave tracks behind. a -30c temperature, should make the area, or ground are extremelly hard.. if this area used to hold water, it should be rock hard/fronzen solid. As any remaining liquid should have frozen right off, and you should not be able to leave track behind. I was debating on the idea that perphaps is not rock solid as mars is an extremelly cold place, and theres no liquid at all on this area. hence no humidity to to allow for the ground to be frozen solid. But, if this is the case, why are we exploring an area where " Nasa" thinks there used to be water? Now, if theres water on mars... or the soil has enough humidity.... wouldnt that means that mars must have some sort of atmosphere, and that the temperature should be above freezing point??? I am not a conspiracy crack, just asking questions. |
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In message , Chris
writes snipped humorous content I am not a conspiracy crack, just asking questions. I name this "Sleeptyping" don't you just love the human race? Denis -- DT Replace nospam with the antithesis of hills |
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Chris wrote
lately there has been a few pics of mars with a blue atmosphere, but having said that.... ever taken a bike to the beach? notice how the tracks are left inprinted onto the sandy beach? or any wet ground surface? the tracks visible on this pics shows blatandly similar to what you would expect on a sandy beach/wet muddy area http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...2R127428271EFF 0300P1004L0M1_str1_br.jpg also, mars is suppose to be a COLD place.... When the ground is frozen , is a bit difficult to leave tracks behind. a -30c temperature, should make the area, or ground are extremelly hard.. if this area used to hold water, it should be rock hard/fronzen solid. As any remaining liquid should have frozen right off, and you should not be able to leave track behind. I was debating on the idea that perphaps is not rock solid as mars is an extremelly cold place, and theres no liquid at all on this area. hence no humidity to to allow for the ground to be frozen solid. But, if this is the case, why are we exploring an area where " Nasa" thinks there used to be water? Now, if theres water on mars... or the soil has enough humidity.... wouldnt that means that mars must have some sort of atmosphere, and that the temperature should be above freezing point??? I am not a conspiracy crack, just asking questions. Interesting questions, Chris. I am looking forward to reading the responses. -- Martin Remove "ilikestars" from email address to reply |
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The answer is simple. There is no rover on Mars. It's all faked. It's
all an evil conspiracy by the Tri Lateral Commission and Henry Kisinger. Just ask Lyndon LaRouche. He'll explain it all. |
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seriously guys.. .lets ponder on the question at hand....
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:19:02 GMT, Lawrence Krupp wrote: The answer is simple. There is no rover on Mars. It's all faked. It's all an evil conspiracy by the Tri Lateral Commission and Henry Kisinger. Just ask Lyndon LaRouche. He'll explain it all. |
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Assuming you are serious.
lately there has been a few pics of mars with a blue atmosphere, but having said that.... ever taken a bike to the beach? notice how the tracks are left inprinted onto the sandy beach? or any wet ground surface? the tracks visible on this pics shows blatandly similar to what you would expect on a sandy beach/wet muddy area http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...M1_str1_br.jpg Have you ever stepped in, for example, the ash after a fire has gone out or an area of very fine dust? You leave similar tracks even if the area is very dry. Consider this. The atmospheric pressure on Mars is MUCH lower than that of earth and gravity is lower as well. That means far less pressure compacting the fine dust that has been raining down on the planet for millions of years. Now you take a rover, and if you look at the wheels, they were very concerned about keeping ground pressure to a minimum, and run it over this dust. It is simply compacting it. Have a hard time buying it? Well, do you remember the photos of the first steps on the moon or the tracks the moon rovers left? They looked pretty much the same, didn't they? also, mars is suppose to be a COLD place.... When the ground is frozen , is a bit difficult to leave tracks behind. a -30c temperature, should make the area, or ground are extremelly hard.. if this area used to hold water, it should be rock hard/fronzen solid. As any remaining liquid should have frozen right off, and you should not be able to leave track behind. Only if there is liquid to freeze. The hypothesis is that most of the ice (if there is any) is located under the topsoil or is trapped at the polse. The rest of the ground is largely covered by rocks and fine dust. I was debating on the idea that perphaps is not rock solid as mars is an extremelly cold place, and theres no liquid at all on this area. hence no humidity to to allow for the ground to be frozen solid. But, if this is the case, why are we exploring an area where " Nasa" thinks there used to be water? They are looking for evidence of water. Landing at the poles is problematic and there is much less solar energy there to run the rover. So, they simply picked a likely place and are looking for evidence of weathering, erosion, etc. Now, if theres water on mars... or the soil has enough humidity.... wouldnt that means that mars must have some sort of atmosphere, and that the temperature should be above freezing point??? Mars does have a very thin atmosphere, but there is no detectable water vapor in it. |
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lets not forget that the moon has a lot more impact craters than mars
Also the moon has far less atmospheric pressure.... also..ost of the ash you see on the monn has been due to volcanic eruptions.. as far as I am concerned , the area where the rovers landed is an ancient lake bed, not an extinct volcano. I am not an expert by any means, I am just asking questions in hope to learn something new. So, yes, I am serious. Whats the temperature on the moon anyhow? I dont think it might be colder than mars. Also, at extreme colder temperatures, even altough the pressure is not high enough to compact the top soil, shouldnt it freeze it? hence , making compact/hard? On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:30:33 GMT, Edward Smith wrote: Assuming you are serious. lately there has been a few pics of mars with a blue atmosphere, but having said that.... ever taken a bike to the beach? notice how the tracks are left inprinted onto the sandy beach? or any wet ground surface? the tracks visible on this pics shows blatandly similar to what you would expect on a sandy beach/wet muddy area http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...M1_str1_br.jpg Have you ever stepped in, for example, the ash after a fire has gone out or an area of very fine dust? You leave similar tracks even if the area is very dry. Consider this. The atmospheric pressure on Mars is MUCH lower than that of earth and gravity is lower as well. That means far less pressure compacting the fine dust that has been raining down on the planet for millions of years. Now you take a rover, and if you look at the wheels, they were very concerned about keeping ground pressure to a minimum, and run it over this dust. It is simply compacting it. Have a hard time buying it? Well, do you remember the photos of the first steps on the moon or the tracks the moon rovers left? They looked pretty much the same, didn't they? also, mars is suppose to be a COLD place.... When the ground is frozen , is a bit difficult to leave tracks behind. a -30c temperature, should make the area, or ground are extremelly hard.. if this area used to hold water, it should be rock hard/fronzen solid. As any remaining liquid should have frozen right off, and you should not be able to leave track behind. Only if there is liquid to freeze. The hypothesis is that most of the ice (if there is any) is located under the topsoil or is trapped at the polse. The rest of the ground is largely covered by rocks and fine dust. I was debating on the idea that perphaps is not rock solid as mars is an extremelly cold place, and theres no liquid at all on this area. hence no humidity to to allow for the ground to be frozen solid. But, if this is the case, why are we exploring an area where " Nasa" thinks there used to be water? They are looking for evidence of water. Landing at the poles is problematic and there is much less solar energy there to run the rover. So, they simply picked a likely place and are looking for evidence of weathering, erosion, etc. Now, if theres water on mars... or the soil has enough humidity.... wouldnt that means that mars must have some sort of atmosphere, and that the temperature should be above freezing point??? Mars does have a very thin atmosphere, but there is no detectable water vapor in it. |
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lets not forget that the moon has a lot more impact craters than mars
Also the moon has far less atmospheric pressure.... also..ost of the ash you see on the monn has been due to volcanic eruptions.. The moon is probably much younger than Mars as well, depending on the theory of the formation of the moon you like. I would disagree on the source of the dust on the moon, though. A great deal of it is debris from impact and dust that has been collected over millions of years. There is no air or water to move it around. Mars is in a much "dirtier" orbit than we are being so close to the asteriod belt. The asteroids generate some debris and the thinner atmosphere means more of the debirs makes it to the surface. Of course, I haven't visited recently... as far as I am concerned , the area where the rovers landed is an ancient lake bed, not an extinct volcano. I think that is what NASA is hoping, but we really can't know for sure yet. Whats the temperature on the moon anyhow? I dont think it might be colder than mars. Also, at extreme colder temperatures, even altough the pressure is not high enough to compact the top soil, shouldnt it freeze it? hence , making compact/hard? Temperature on the moon is a completely different animal from that on Mars. There is no atmosphere to heat. On the light side, you "heat" the rocks. On the dark side, it cools, radiating into space. The way we think of temperature is pretty meaningless on the moon. When we say "it is 20C", we are measuring the temperature of the atmosphere. The way we think about temperature, Mars would be much warmer than the moon since there is some atmosphere to hold the heat. Both are very cold relative to us. |
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In message , Edward Smith
writes Assuming you are serious. Now, if theres water on mars... or the soil has enough humidity.... wouldnt that means that mars must have some sort of atmosphere, and that the temperature should be above freezing point??? Mars does have a very thin atmosphere, but there is no detectable water vapor in it. It's depressing that Chris is so uninformed about Mars that he doesn't know it has an atmosphere, but that atmosphere has enough water vapour for clouds to form. But the temperature is below freezing, so they are clouds of ice crystals. -- Rabbit arithmetic - 1 plus 1 equals 10 Remove spam and invalid from address to reply. |
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