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Old October 29th 13, 05:18 AM posted to sci.space.history
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From Brad Guth:
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:17:06 AM UTC-7, Stuf4 wrote:

From Brad Guth:
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: The mutually perpetrated cold-war era was always intended to benefit and
: promote each of the respective MICs. Russia was never a direct or even an
: indirect threat to honest hard working Americans. Russia and the US basically
: created North Korea. Obviously you've never been an honest hard working
: American, so there's always going to be a problem no matters what the
: evidence of insiders and their skulduggery has to say. Are you actually
: suggesting that our government and its dozens of agencies have always told us
: the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

In our current age of Wikileaks and such, I don't think there is anyone
around who would maintain that our government has a sterling record of honesty.


It never was sterling from the very get-go. However as of more lately it's getting totally out of control. The mutually perpetrated cold-war era that nearly started WW3 was even better off.


It certainly goes back way before Wikileaks. Here's what is said about George Washington:
"He was adept at deception operations and tradecraft and was a skilled propagandist."

That's told to us by none other than the CIA -
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...ence/pers.html

(They're describing his traits as a general, but its difficult to imagine that a person can totally turn off certain aspects of their acquired skillset when rising to the Presidency.)

~ CT
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Old November 7th 13, 08:30 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Monday, October 21, 2013 12:53:05 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Monday, October 21, 2013 1:51:11 AM UTC-7, Stuf4 wrote:

Hola. It's clear that there has been a solid shift toward understanding that the Space Race was driven by the nuclear threat, and this view is now established in the mainstream. The latest video I'm aware of is this PBS Digital Studio spot that answers the question,








"Why Do We Go to Space?"




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TES491F2e6c&t=26s








Quote: "Our first rockets were weapons ...we rode to space on the tip of giant missiles. We were driven by war. ... We rode those rockets to the Moon."












The person who has brought this view into the mainstream, as I have spoken of previously here, is Neil deGrasse Tyson. Here's his speech from last year where he explains his book "Space Chronicles", a book which he says he wanted it to title it:








"Failure to Launch: The Dreams and Delusions of Space Enthusiasts"








This is a very long speech he gives, but this link is cued up to a section where in a couple of minutes he explains JFK's 1961 speech as persuading that it is...








"...the War Driver that led to the Check Writing."






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErZq2ZQQTrs&t=42m50s






Huge kudos to NdT.






~ CT




Except Russia never had intentions or having taken aggressive actions as representing any real threat to America. Virtually all the fears and any notions of a national threat from Russia was perpetrated and/or exploited by those of our MIC.


Ya think? So you've never read about the Soviet orbital interceptors? Or their FOBS?
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On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:30:06 AM UTC-8, Dean wrote:
On Monday, October 21, 2013 12:53:05 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:

Except Russia never had intentions or having taken aggressive actions as representing any real threat to America. Virtually all the fears and any notions of a national threat from Russia was perpetrated and/or exploited by those of our MIC.



Ya think? So you've never read about the Soviet orbital interceptors? Or their FOBS?


It's all a game of job security and investment profits, on both sides.
 




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