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Air Force quick turnaround, reusable booster.
Aviation Week has an article this week about an Air Force plan to build a
rocket plane to put medium-weight payloads in orbit quickly and cheaply. The concept is called Affordable Responsive Spacelift (ARES) and uses a rocket plane (vertical launch) first stage with two upper stages on its back. Once is seperates (at 250,000ft, Mach 7) the first stage flies back to the launch point with jet engines. The goal is for a two day turnaround (provied an already mated payload and upper stages). It will launch 10,000-15,000 pounds to LEO. It has a cost goal of $2000/lb. (one third of a delta at $6,000-$7000/lb) It will user RP-1 kerosene and liquid oxygen engine. (The RP-1 might also be used for the jets on the way back) They made a big deal about keeping it under Mach 7, so that the maintnence on the thermal protection system will be really easy. One quote that I thought was a good sign that something might actually work was: Another reason is that the three-stage design doesn't require ultra-high motor and structural performance, which should improve both cost and reliability. "We don't push technology," Dean says. "The key is how to integrate technology. It's a systems engineering leap." If they keep it simple and don't "push technology" this should be a fairly no brainer....except for things like Mach 7 seperation and attaching jet engines to a rocket :-) I hope it works out, if they meet their goals, this could open up quite a bit of new ground for the launch industry. |
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On 2005-05-02, Tom Kent wrote:
Aviation Week has an article this week about an Air Force plan to build a rocket plane to put medium-weight payloads in orbit quickly and cheaply. The concept is called Affordable Responsive Spacelift (ARES) and uses a rocket plane (vertical launch) first stage with two upper stages on its back. Once is seperates (at 250,000ft, Mach 7) the first stage flies back to the launch point with jet engines. A little more info at Global Security, see : http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/ares.htm Seems like they are looking to have subscale demonstrators by 2010 Iain |
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More,
with a pictu http://www.aero.org/news/newsitems/ARES3-28-05.html Powerpoint on it: http://www.losangeles.af.mil/SMC/XR/...uments/introge njamesrevll.ppt Word Doc: http://www.losangeles.af.mil/smc/xr/...uments/orbiter articleares.doc PDF: http://www.losangeles.af.mil/SMC/XR/...uments/aresfac tsheet.pdf |
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Will this help or hinder private space development?
At first glance it seems quite a good concept, comparable to private low cost approaches. It might help demonstrate what is possible and encourage private investment. On the other hand, the usual suspects might build it and "demonstrate" to potential investors that space is hard and that even the low cost space initiatives advocated by private space developers are not low cost or economically viable. I hope the Air Force pulls it off, there certainly is a need, and it might be a useful platform for allsorts of other research projects. What other military applications might it be directly used for? Piloted? Perhaps once demonstrated, venture capital would become available to redesign it for low cost commercial use. Pete. |
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Tom Kent :
If they keep it simple and don't "push technology" this should be a fairly no brainer....except for things like Mach 7 seperation and attaching jet engines to a rocket :-) This idea has been discuss here before. And one of the better ways to KISS this design is just make the rocket plane a 100% rocket plane. If you add up all the mass of the jets engines and thier support systems you will tend to find it close to the same mass in rocket fuel/oxidzer needed to bring the plane back and land it. IE get rid of the jets and thier needed sytems and just make the tanks a little larger. I do think there was a go around problem with rocket planes only getting two chances to land otherwise the fuel needs grow too large and jets engines start to look better. Question how often beside aircraft carriers does this problem come up? Earl Colby Pottinger -- I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, OpenBeos, SerialTransfer 3.0, RAMDISK, BoatBuilding, DIY TabletPC. What happened to the time? http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp |
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This might be a good concept, but what's the point if Falcon V can do
13,200 lbs at $1,200 per lb? And Falcon V is more likely to achieve these goals than USAF is to achieve their $2000 per lb goal. |
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"Tom Kent" wrote in message . 30.48... More, with a pictu http://www.aero.org/news/newsitems/ARES3-28-05.html Powerpoint on it: http://www.losangeles.af.mil/SMC/XR/...uments/introge njamesrevll.ppt They're looking at a reusable first stage with expendable upper stages. The cost goal is $1000 to $2000 per lb to leo with a total payload to LEO of 10,000 lb to 15,000 lb to leo. That gives a range of cost per flight of $10 million to maybe $30 million. Jeff -- Remove icky phrase from email address to get a valid address. |
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Earl Colby Pottinger wrote:
[...] I do think there was a go around problem with rocket planes only getting two chances to land otherwise the fuel needs grow too large and jets engines start to look better. Question how often beside aircraft carriers does this problem come up? In about 2 dozen flights (as a passenger on commercial aircraft), I've experienced 1 go-around. Thank goodness that was the flight with cockpit audio on the channel selector ;-) /dps |
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"Alex Terrell" wrote in message
oups.com... This might be a good concept, but what's the point if Falcon V can do 13,200 lbs at $1,200 per lb? The lower flyback stage alone is potentially cost competitive, the rest could be incrementally upgraded. Falcon derived upper stage? The flyback booster might enable self ferry, other launch sites, and the 24-48 hour turnaround they talk about. This might better suit the Air Force way of doing things. And Falcon V is more likely to achieve these goals than USAF is to achieve their $2000 per lb goal. Indeed. But what is the Air Force's Falcon back up? Pete. |
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"Earl Colby Pottinger" wrote in message
... This idea has been discuss here before. And one of the better ways to KISS this design is just make the rocket plane a 100% rocket plane. If you add up all the mass of the jets engines and thier support systems you will tend to find it close to the same mass in rocket fuel/oxidzer needed to bring the plane back and land it. IE get rid of the jets and thier needed sytems and just make the tanks a little larger. I would tend to favour a multiple rocket engine approach with engine out capability with the ability to fly home on one of them. Over the life of the booster the extra propellant cost will likely be much less than the added drymass cost of jet engines, so it may also be both a direct short and long term financial winner. One concern is the higher the staging speed the further the fly back, (trajectory dependent), and the more fuel required. It is important the flyback booster not be too ambitious. It could land at a closer runway and be ferried back, but this might be overly restrictive. Ferrying can be accomplished via towing, so that should not be a big issue. I do think there was a go around problem with rocket planes only getting two chances to land otherwise the fuel needs grow too large and jets engines start to look better. Question how often beside aircraft carriers does this problem come up? I would be surprised if the flyback booster would see more than a hundred flights before retirement, so there is little point in going over board on such landing risk mitigation just to save the booster. The shuttle has managed without any go around capacity. If the risk of go around is primarily due to traffic, then I expect such risks could be substantially reduced by temporarily increasing the traffic safety margins. Assuming some extra care is taken to reduce the risk of go around, I doubt the need to do it twice is justified. If the weather is good enough to launch, it will probably be good enough to land. Even if manned a crash landing, (say in bad weather), might be mostly survivable. By landing time it has already done most of its job, and it carries little in the way of valuable cargo, (no passengers). It should not be the end of the world if you damage or right the odd one off. A primary concern might be collision on a runway, though there are many ways of reducing this risk, traffic exclusion, multiple runways, ditching over the ocean, etcetera. Pete. |
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