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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:34:54 -0600, "Jay Windley"
wrote: "*" wrote in message .. . | | snip baloney response Sidestep. | Give me $10,000 and I'll tell you the secret of free energy. | | The secret is free energy isn't profitable for the oil companies. Nope, that's not it. That's only part of it. Oh there's more -- if the world suddenly stopped using oil, it would redistribute the world's wealth. That's not a good thing for Lockheed. They wouldn't be able to war monger for profits -- because people wouldn't have to work the long hours they do now to pay taxes, and without tax $$ the defense contractors are out of business. Gee, the "evil oil company" conspiracy theory is so 1964. |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:24:22 -0700, The_Sage wrote:
Reply to article by: * Date written: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:17:57 GMT m That isn't hydrogen peroxide production and of the six methods mentioned in that article for producing hydrogen alone, only the photobiological one is "free" in the sense that it doesn't need an external artificial power source to work (sunlight is considered free). The production of hydrogen peroxide would only add to that because it is a multi-step process that consumes alot of external artificial power to work. But is one hell of a lot more efficient than burning petroleum products and fossil fuels! Exactly how much more efficient is it? 10%? 20% How much? And how about production? How much land or water area is required just to produce one gallon of this stuff? Let's compare that to petroleum. What about this don't you understand? http://www.alternatefuels.com/hydrogen.htm Background /Common uses: Free hydrogen is found only in very small traces in the atmosphere, but solar and stellar spectra show that it is abundant in the sun and other stars, and is, in fact, the most common element in the universe. Hydrogen is already used to produce countless products and to enhance many industrial processes. The U.S. produces 100 billion cubic feet per year of hydrogen for industry and for the space program. The largest user of hydrogen is the petroleum industry for converting crude oil into gasoline and hundreds of chemicals. Sometimes used in welding torches for welding or cutting metals. |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:31:21 -0700, The_Sage wrote:
Reply to article by: * Date written: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:48:38 GMT m Oh there's more -- if the world suddenly stopped using oil, it would redistribute the world's wealth. That's not a good thing for Lockheed. They wouldn't be able to war monger for profits -- because people wouldn't have to work the long hours they do now to pay taxes, and without tax $$ the defense contractors are out of business. Taxes and war mongering are not the fault of Lockheed or defense contractors or the government or oil companies, it is because the vast majority of people remain silent while all this goes on. People remain silent because they don't know the whole picture, if they did there'd be civil was in the USA. But we're trying to correct that problem! snip |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:24:22 -0700, The_Sage wrote: Reply to article by: * Date written: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:17:57 GMT m That isn't hydrogen peroxide production and of the six methods mentioned in that article for producing hydrogen alone, only the photobiological one is "free" in the sense that it doesn't need an external artificial power source to work (sunlight is considered free). The production of hydrogen peroxide would only add to that because it is a multi-step process that consumes alot of external artificial power to work. But is one hell of a lot more efficient than burning petroleum products and fossil fuels! Exactly how much more efficient is it? 10%? 20% How much? And how about production? How much land or water area is required just to produce one gallon of this stuff? Let's compare that to petroleum. What about this don't you understand? http://www.alternatefuels.com/hydrogen.htm Background /Common uses: Free hydrogen is found only in very small traces in the atmosphere, but solar and stellar spectra show that it is abundant in the sun and other stars, and is, in fact, the most common element in the universe. Hydrogen is already used to produce countless products and to enhance many industrial processes. The U.S. produces 100 billion cubic feet per year of hydrogen for industry and for the space program. The largest user of hydrogen is the petroleum industry for converting crude oil into gasoline and hundreds of chemicals. Sometimes used in welding torches for welding or cutting metals. What you are ignoring or not understanding is that it takes energy to produce and accumulate hydrogen, or hydrogen peroxide. Just because it makes up most of the universe doesn't mean you get it without effort. It takes *energy* to do it. The potential advantage of such uses is that the energy needed to produce your hydrogen and oxygen, or hydrogen peroxide, can be produced in centralized, efficient plants with pollution controls. That has the potential, at least in principal, to shift emissions from millions of car tailpipes to a few thousand power plants. Of course, most of these plants still burn oil, coal, or natural gas. It's not "free energy". Not by any stretch of the imagination. |
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On 30 Apr 2004 08:40:01 -0700, (sts060) wrote:
What you are ignoring or not understanding is that it takes energy to produce and accumulate hydrogen, or hydrogen peroxide. Just because it makes up most of the universe doesn't mean you get it without effort. So? The same applies to using oil for energy. |
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On 30 Apr 2004 08:40:01 -0700, (sts060) wrote: What you are ignoring or not understanding is that it takes energy to produce and accumulate hydrogen, or hydrogen peroxide. Just because it makes up most of the universe doesn't mean you get it without effort. So? The same applies to using oil for energy. There are oil wells. There are NO hydrogen wells. -- Cheers, Bama Brian Libertarian -------------- In the Y2K presidential elections, there were 103 million eligible voters - of whom 51 million voted for "None of the above" by not voting. |
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Look into the BLUE HYDROLYZER For cars... NZ invention... really works!
100 miles to a gallon of water Tony "*" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:24:22 -0700, The_Sage wrote: Reply to article by: * Date written: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:17:57 GMT m That isn't hydrogen peroxide production and of the six methods mentioned in that article for producing hydrogen alone, only the photobiological one is "free" in the sense that it doesn't need an external artificial power source to work (sunlight is considered free). The production of hydrogen peroxide would only add to that because it is a multi-step process that consumes alot of external artificial power to work. But is one hell of a lot more efficient than burning petroleum products and fossil fuels! Exactly how much more efficient is it? 10%? 20% How much? And how about production? How much land or water area is required just to produce one gallon of this stuff? Let's compare that to petroleum. What about this don't you understand? http://www.alternatefuels.com/hydrogen.htm Background /Common uses: Free hydrogen is found only in very small traces in the atmosphere, but solar and stellar spectra show that it is abundant in the sun and other stars, and is, in fact, the most common element in the universe. Hydrogen is already used to produce countless products and to enhance many industrial processes. The U.S. produces 100 billion cubic feet per year of hydrogen for industry and for the space program. The largest user of hydrogen is the petroleum industry for converting crude oil into gasoline and hundreds of chemicals. Sometimes used in welding torches for welding or cutting metals. |
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