Sci.space.tech under new moderation

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
wrote in message
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Good luck and ... be brave! It will be an adventure. Yeah, that's the
ticket, think- fun!

I hope you get your headache relief at a bulk discount.


So far in the past week or so the spam level has been pretty low. We have
spam filtering setup which should help.

Go with God, all of you! It's a damn shame what has happened to
USENET due to the trolling idiots. I just switched to a decent filtering
newsreader and filtering out Guth and Liberwhatever, and cancelbot
messages, really helped, but moderation is sorely needed.

Maybe at least s.s.tech can be useful again.

Brett

"OM" wrote in message
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...No debate at all. It's a simple fact that the trolling crap won't
be allowed on the group. The type of bull**** garbage that Guthball,
Libermasterbator, and - why even you! - have flooded this group with
for years. Don't like it? Tough.

You can't claim innocence on that level either.

"Alan Erskine" wrote in message
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"OM" wrote in message
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...No debate at all. It's a simple fact that the trolling crap won't
be allowed on the group. The type of bull**** garbage that Guthball,
Libermasterbator, and - why even you! - have flooded this group with
for years. Don't like it? Tough.

You can't claim innocence on that level either.

Note, I think there's very few here that can cast that first stone. (and
note I do not include myself among those who can cast any stones.)





--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

"OM" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:25:21 -0400, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:

We are in the process of getting that setup. I wanted to get
sci.space.tech
working first.

...Great! Too bad it took this long to get things going. I just wish
George had turned them over to one of us when he decided to abandon
them. George should also be commended for the work he did all those
years of moderating both groups, as well as for having also created
this group at the same time.

I can't speak for George's reasoning at the time, but he has made this
current transition process very easy and to him I owe a great of deal of
gratitude.


Expect sci.space.science in the next week or two.

...I damn sure look forward to it.

I have to do a couple steps on my end and then do some testing.


And yes, we're grateful to Mary.

...Our *Lady* Mary, mind you. On your knees when you say that, churl!
:-)

She's more of a High Priestess in this role.
--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

OM wrote:

:On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:24:31 -0700 (PDT), American
wrote:
:
:IMO there are many who should feel that your statement
:
:"If you want to discuss esoteric subjects such as
: FTL, anti-gravity and other non-proven scientific
: principles, please make sure to have recent and
: citable references for the topic By "citing
: verifiable sources"
:
:would itself have to be open to debate!
:
:...No debate at all. It's a simple fact that the trolling crap won't
:be allowed on the group. The type of bull**** garbage that Guthball,
:Libermasterbator, and - why even you! - have flooded this group with
:for years. Don't like it? Tough.
:

And it would seem that, unless you change your posting pattern, very
little will be seen of you there, as well.

--
You are
What you do
When it counts.

Pat Flannery wrote:
:
:A more effective, if extreme, approach to all this would be to _kill_
:all the space newsgroups...save one... and then funnel all the postings
n all the space subjects that were covered in all the old space
:newsgroups into that one _unmoderated_ space newsgroup, and let the
:readers of it decide who they will read and reply to via their own
:killfiles.
:

And that takes us back to where we were back when we voted to break up
sci.space and have some of the resulting newsgroups moderated. We did
that for a reason. Things haven't improved since then.


--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw

" wrote:

Blessings and good luck to y'all. If I might make a suggestion for
pump-priming, might you be able to suggest topics or former s.s.t.
threads that you think worth further discussion?

I'd like to see long-term life support topics discussed again, as well
as high delta-v propulsion systems get revisited.

If that's what you want to see discussed... Why are you waiting on us?


D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
This post is to let you know that sci.space.tech is now being moderated
again. Moderation of sci.space.science will soon follow.

George Herbert has graciously passed the reins on to the new moderators so
that perhaps these newsgroups can have some life again.

The moderators a

Greg Moore (mooregr (at) greenms.com)
Derek Lyons (fairwater (at) gmail.com)
Mary Shafer reunite.gondwana (at) gmail.com


But, paraphrasing Juvenal...who's going to moderate the moderators?
Any system set up like this is inevitably going to start cutting out any
outside opinions that are too "far out" to seem reasonable to the
moderators, and sooner or later you end up with a newsgroup that is a
insular group of ministers that pass the cut of the
moderators....preaching to a choir that also has passed that cut...and
things become stagnant, and indeed moribund.
Since the moderators are only human, there is going to be at the very
least a subconscious tendency on their part to pass postings that agree
with their own views on a subject, while viewing others that don't with
a more skeptical eye.
This problem is better dealt with via individual killfiles than moderators.
An interesting facet of all this is that the desire to make "one big
space newsgroup" shows that total interest in space matters per capita
of the population has dwindled greatly over the years, a fact I
suspected several years back once I realized that any member of the
sci.space.history newsgroup could quote any Monty Python sketch
end-to-end from any reference to it at all.
We "Space Kids" all were born in a period in history about a generation
long at most (1945-1965? Just a guess), and as time passes, our number
dwindles, like old lions that now have arthritis and dentures.
A more effective, if extreme, approach to all this would be to _kill_
all the space newsgroups...save one... and then funnel all the postings
on all the space subjects that were covered in all the old space
newsgroups into that one _unmoderated_ space newsgroup, and let the
readers of it decide who they will read and reply to via their own
killfiles.
Since good posters tend to send their postings to one or two
subject-related newsgroups, and trolls cross-post them to around thirty
at a time, this would certainly raise the signal-to-noise ratio on this
new or chosen space newsgroup in regards to total postings received on a
given day versus trash, once it passed their individual killfiles, as
well as giving the readers of it a opportunity to get a wider and less
specific-topic related view of thought in regards to space exploration
from multiple individuals with varied interests related to space.
Such cross-fertilization of specific space interests among the former
space newsgroup posters as a whole could be beneficial to all readers
and posters of such a space newsgroup, and lead to some really
interesting threads as individuals with interests in different aspects
of a particular space topic checked in on it from the viewpoint of their
own specific interests.

Pat

On Mar 24, 5:34*pm, (Derek Lyons) wrote:
American wrote:
Some might actually not want to divulge their sources
on the basis that certain "tidbits" of information
could become extracted for purposes other than what
the original poster considers to be a valid scientific
application - with maligned intentions, of course.

If it isn't open, generally it can safely be treated as not
scientific. *There's a reason why 'refuses to divulge details' is
considered one of the litmus tests for determining the presence of
crackpottery.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

: If it isn't open, generally it can safely be treated as not
: scientific. There's a reason why 'refuses to divulge details'
: is considered one of the litmus tests for determining the
: presence of crackpottery.

Is there a question you have on a specific detail that I have
previously (or purposefully) omitted that you wish to investigate?
(Didn't think so) Then you must be purposefully smearing
my most illustrious posts with your heathen rhetoric.

Your silly pet parrot echoes "crackpot" every time
Mary Schafer comes around. Must be part of your newfound
NASA/Google teamsters at work again...

: D.

Typical response of a military front organization, such as
agencies like NASA will most always lean to - and why not?

NASA's actually underwriting some of what google-earth's
involved with, so I kinda knew that some NASA/Google 'posse'
might eventually arrive at sci.space.policy - I also wondered
how many of your brown-nosed minions would it take to bravely
bash any lone entrepreneur who might disagree with the estab-
lishment physics types, such as those in sci.space.policy who
couldn't reinvent any new propulsion concept technology with-
out first bashing their own kind, which is most difficult, if
not impossible, to deal with on a continuing basis.

Just so that 'D' is real comfortable with his own kind here,
all are invited to add to the political spin getting 'built into'
the objective outcomes that might arise as the result of
endorsing and/or black-hole budgeting all the NASA whores
who're used to spreading their butter so thick on their crackers
that their snouts actually get in the way of digesting their
own verbal assemblages...

If common sense rules, then the overbearing proof is on
those at NASA who will either obfuscate, dumb down, or gen-
erally double-blind the effort to report the scientific truth, esp.
when it comes to commenting and/or reporting on certain
technological adaptations of sequestered technology.

However, the obvious conclusion is that the rocket-oriented
approach will not be the one to take on the initiative, even
when loaded down with billions upon billions of taxpayers
loot - yet the whole NASA/Google front organization comes
loaded with their own forums of party-line establishment -
complete with USPTO (U.S. Patent and Trade Office) SAWS
(Sensitive Application and Warning Systems) to "flag" whatever
subject matter that doesn't remain "status quo".

I'm not surprised in the least, even with whatever fake
political party will boast that it's got all of our interests at
stake.

All the brave souls that must have such a hard time turning
the other cheek when confronted by stories of endless
possibility - my hat goes off to you - I can't imagine the pain
you must feel to know that there's actually a real world out
there waiting to be discovered - if only people would wake
up to what's in store for the entire world we'd have more
freedom for those who can attract more minds who will
post as eloquently as HAL would...

: --
: Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

So much for earnest consideration, honest debate, and
worthwhile discussion. Still bored with real big innovation?

: http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

Check out http://www.fas.org/spp/military/prog...s/usspace..htm

: -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
: Oct 5th, 2004 JDL


American

"There's no excuse for maintaining ignorance at all costs."

- anon

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
And yes, we're grateful to Mary.

...Our *Lady* Mary, mind you. On your knees when you say that, churl!
:-)


She's more of a High Priestess in this role.


Comrades! Note how quickly the self-appointed "moderators" resort to the
twin fallacies of religion and the cult of personality to justify their
"necessary and beneficial" tyranny over the space newsgroups!
Certainly they shall "save" you... as they silence the voice of _your_
tongues, and hold back _your_ hands from _your_ keyboards!
This is a Troika Of Subjugation.
Individual Killfiles Forever!
NO MODERATION WHEN IT COMES TO FREEDOM OF POSTING ON SPACE!
We do not need "moderators"...we, each and every one of us, shall decide
individually WHO we read, and WHO we shall reply to.

Patsky