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"Dr. Why" wrote in message ... "Kali" wrote in message ... In article wsCIf.26702$id5.21579@bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net, posted Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:25:48 GMT, Dr. Why says... "Kali" wrote in message .. . In article , posted Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:53:28 -0700, Art Deco says... Kali wrote: In article , posted Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:10:15 -0700, Art Deco says... Lamie, the current sockpuppet of the fake alien, wrote: [...] PS: As I'm sure you know by now, I was born on Earth, so I'm not an alien. I'm as indigenous to this planet as you are, sweet human. But if calling me an alien floats your boat, I'm sure I can continue the role. Your other sockpuppets claim to be millions of years old, so this little hedge is meaningless. PPS: Things go better with koak! hee hee Another kooksign. On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:08:23 GMT, "Lomie" wrote: Kiyo was born in Okinawa, Japan, on November 22, 1921... and now she's pregnant with triplets (girls girls girls hee hee ). I believe the Sil and Darla socks fall into the gazillions old claim bucket. Unbelievable!1!! Really. Kali We've made many claims, few of which are believable without better evidence. Your own claim above is, of course, Not unbelievable. Hmm. I don't see where I've made a claim. Attribution problem, perhaps. No, mybad for being unclear, Kali. The "claim" you made was simply your disbelief. By human standards we are all very old. Unfortunately, this believability issue seems to be important to a lot of people. Don't take this wrong, dearest Kali, but doesn't this all stem from fear? Skepticism is not about fear, imo. It is about reality monitoring. It is a healthy way to approach claims that contradict what we know about the world. I would argue instead that fear ("of the unknown") is more likely to motivate people to accept claims on faith. Yes, for those of you who lead. Followers, on the other hand? People appear to be as afraid to believe in advanced aliens as they are afraid Not to believe in a deity. Why do you suppose this is? For the religious person, uncertainty and doubt - the opposite of faith - can create a conflict. This would be true for someone who accepts on faith that there are aliens living on earth, or coming to visit. They would, like the religious person facing uncertainty and doubt, be faced with an uncomfortable conflict to resolve. To lose a dearly held belief, especially one that provides hope and inspiration, is painful. This is why people tend to find ways to strengthen their belief when they are in doubt. Some may be afraid there will be nothing else to replace it when they let it go. Kali -- "We found a great number of books...and since they contained nothing but superstitions and falsehoods of the Devil we burned them all." - Bishop Diego De Landa, who burned priceless books of Mayan history and science Agreed, however accepting that seans exist (as seans) has never been something we have fostered directly. We are here to learn about humans, and we simply do not care if they believe we're aliens. Frankly, we're looking for ways to reduce the damn^H^H^H^H (forgive me, please) biocide rate so we can get on with contact. We cannot keep the conflict you mention from existing. No matter what we do, you and others will keep the issue of our reality at the forefront. But that's okay, for we can still continue our study under these conditions. And you are welcome to continue Your study of us as well. Why do you "aliens" even care if the crazy 12% are alive of not. It seems to me that you wouldn't want these "crazies" around to interfere with your agenda. HJ |
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"Kali" wrote in message
... In article , posted Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:21:09 -0700, Art Deco says... "Dr. Why", the current sockpuppet of the fake alien, wrote: "Art Deco" wrote in message ... [...] You have the normal human fears to one degree or another, Art. Darla seems to think you're "fearless". I'm not ready to go that far, yet. However, I Am inclined to think your personal level of fear is much Lower than normal. You seem to have overridden your fear-teachings. And this of course means that you've given the subject a lot of thought, a Lot of thought. So much thought, in fact, that by now you are probably thinking that you think about fear far too much. Ah yes, the usenet psychic astrologer syndrome. Quite common, apparently. She's so very human. Thank you, Kali! Heaven knows we try. I submit that there is one more aspect which you could dwell upon a bit: Fearlessness has a solid foundation in the human genome, while fearfulness has no such base. At your low level of fear, your thoughtful conclusions will lead you right up to the next step. And that would be "controlling your fearlessness". Just as fear can be controlled by committing acts of bravery/courage, fearlessness also must be controlled so that one doesn't wind up easily dead, mamed, in trouble with law enforcement, or in some other undesirable quandary. I would be interested to know how you eventually decide to proceed with this. How does one "proceed" with saucerhead word salads? I don't know. But classic erroneous presuppositions are tough enough to work with, even if they aren't delivered to us by another. Why is this? If "us" believes a presupposition to be too tough to work with, then why knock yourself out about it? [...] The first part of this potentially false premise must be obvious to you since you deal with it fairly consistently. There are several people in your life who claim to be aliens, are there not? And you respond to them with a total lack of belief as well as the branding you love most: kook. You do this fearlessly. People who claim to be aliens aren't kooks? Since when? I don't know. How would you be Certain? But you must have noticed how others have dealt with these "aliens". Many of them totally "lose it" in the manner of Michael B. Baldwin's and Kadaitcha Man's posts. Those were fearful posts, purely and simply. How is that fear? If you read their posts, you would have no serious doubt, Kali. They went totally Bonkers with caps and cussin'. And they have not responded since. Heart attacks? Hahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahaha haahah And they represent the feelings of the vast majority of humans on your planet, and how THEY would respond to very different sentient beings from elsewhere in the galaxy. You're a delusional kook. I thought perhaps this was all an elaborate troll, but no longer. Hmm. Undecided as to whether we should be kookalized? The moe we look ko0ky to you, the moe better we are doing it right. Kooky? Real? Real Kooky? I agree with your "Hmm." [...] If people were made to believe that Fear is what ages them and eventually kills them, and they were given an easy, step-by-step foolproof method to become fearless, to live their lives absolutely without fear, nearly all would decline to learn the method. Why, in your opinion, would they turn down the opportunity to learn how to live their lives fearlessly? Yubiwan You fire your yapper off claiming that others are afraid of your saucerhead gaga, yet you choose to hide behind a plethora of sockpuppets. Some might call this projection. We've never claimed any such thing, Art, and you know it. Why are you so, so, --- cute with your attempted misdirections? You really believe it's working? Or something a little more serious. Not sure. Kali -- A bore is simply a nonentity who resents his humble lot in life, and seeks satisfaction for his wounded ego by forcing himself on his betters. - H. L. Mencken Hey! Maybe it IS working, Art! Thank you, thank you very much. ELvi5 |
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"Kali" wrote in message
... In article JrTJf.39992$id5.12743@bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net, posted Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:34:33 GMT, Dr. Why says... "Kali" wrote in message .. . In article wsCIf.26702$id5.21579@bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net, posted Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:25:48 GMT, Dr. Why says... "Kali" wrote in message .. . [...] Unfortunately, this believability issue seems to be important to a lot of people. Don't take this wrong, dearest Kali, but doesn't this all stem from fear? Skepticism is not about fear, imo. It is about reality monitoring. It is a healthy way to approach claims that contradict what we know about the world. I would argue instead that fear ("of the unknown") is more likely to motivate people to accept claims on faith. Yes, for those of you who lead. Followers, on the other hand? Are more likely to accept claims on faith. And how Many times such followers have been led astray in human history. People appear to be as afraid to believe in advanced aliens as they are afraid Not to believe in a deity. Why do you suppose this is? For the religious person, uncertainty and doubt - the opposite of faith - can create a conflict. This would be true for someone who accepts on faith that there are aliens living on earth, or coming to visit. They would, like the religious person facing uncertainty and doubt, be faced with an uncomfortable conflict to resolve. To lose a dearly held belief, especially one that provides hope and inspiration, is painful. This is why people tend to find ways to strengthen their belief when they are in doubt. Some may be afraid there will be nothing else to replace it when they let it go. Kali -- "We found a great number of books...and since they contained nothing but superstitions and falsehoods of the Devil we burned them all." - Bishop Diego De Landa, who burned priceless books of Mayan history and science Agreed, however accepting that seans exist (as seans) has never been something we have fostered directly. That is why you, Darla, and your sock puppets, place yourself on Usenet amidst a cadre of true believers and manipulate them into positioning themselves to be special enough for contact with an alien race? Special enough, of course, means "believing that you are an alien", spun as "fearless explorer". Fish in a barrel, all at the service of your very human ego. What extraordinary talent you have. "I'm not a man who likes to swear, but I never cared for the sound of being alone." Now, THAT's Talent! Madame B., you drastically overrate and overestimate us. We do think humans are special, damn special, but not one of the humans we've contacted unofficially have taken us seriously as aliens, no not one. They need hard evidence just as much as you do. So you're going to have to give me a list of members of this cadre if you can. You will find no "true believers", no not one. Just a buncha cool people playin' wif us and perhaps seriously considering some of the possibilities that would ensue from any future contact with sentient non-humans. It ain't rocket surgery, now is it? Darla's dirty, smelly socks |
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"Kali" wrote in message
... In article MNYJf.425543$qk4.287129@bgtnsc05- news.ops.worldnet.att.net, posted Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:39:24 GMT, Dr. Why says... "Greysky" wrote in message . net... [...] Alien violence has become well-entrenched in the human psyche. No amount of logic and reasoning will overcome this, only a standard reduction of fear, and the reminder that humans are fundamentally, genetically fearless beings. Incorrect. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=ledoux Kali -- A bore is simply a nonentity who resents his humble lot in life, and seeks satisfaction for his wounded ego by forcing himself on his betters. - H. L. Mencken Please be more specific, Kali. I have read all the websites and found nothing to indicate that I'm believed to be incorrect. Perhaps I missed something? Yubiwan |
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"Honest John" wrote in message
et... Why do you "aliens" even care if the crazy 12% are alive of not. It seems to me that you wouldn't want these "crazies" around to interfere with your agenda. HJ Good question, HJ. Firstly, we are not at all optimistic about the 12% of humans who ain't gonna make it. 12% is the lowest and best we can hope for. We'd just like to keep it from being much Higher than 12%. As to why? We want as many of you around as possible because each and every one of you has a fascinating and amazing potential, both in terms of your imaginations and your abilities to spin your ideas into reality. This alone gives human beings a revered place in the galaxy. There are other considerations as well, such as you turn out greatly skilled aviators, but your abilities to invent and create, which you all seem to take so much for granted, are enough to make you superb additions to our galactic, and now clusteric, communities. If we could but convince all of you of your innate fearlessness, there would BE no 12%+ loss. Yubiwan |
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"Kali" wrote in message ... In article , posted Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:21:28 -0900, Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) says... On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:33:15 -0600, Kali wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message : In article , posted Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:30:36 -0700, Art Deco says... Charles D. Bohne wrote: On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:43:52 GMT, "Greysky" wrote: I applaud your fearlessness in accepting that it would be good to make FOC even if the death rate exceeds 12% by a large margin. It puts you and a few others in the Sean Minority, but you stick to your guns. Greysky Seconded by Charles :-Y The saucerheads are high-fiving each other again. I note Chuck gave the signal for f0rked tongue slurpage. Kali It's so he can slurp GaySky's balls and anus at the same time. The Swiss are notoriously for their efficiency. -- V.G. Ut oh, I just gave Mr. Deco "the signal" *giggle* If Art was proven to be in the 12%, would you "aliens" go ahead with FOC ? HJ |
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"Dr. Why" wrote in message ... "Honest John" wrote in message et... Why do you "aliens" even care if the crazy 12% are alive of not. It seems to me that you wouldn't want these "crazies" around to interfere with your agenda. HJ Good question, HJ. Firstly, we are not at all optimistic about the 12% of humans who ain't gonna make it. 12% is the lowest and best we can hope for. We'd just like to keep it from being much Higher than 12%. As to why? We want as many of you around as possible because each and every one of you has a fascinating and amazing potential, both in terms of your imaginations and your abilities to spin your ideas into reality. This alone gives human beings a revered place in the galaxy. There are other considerations as well, such as you turn out greatly skilled aviators, but your abilities to invent and create, which you all seem to take so much for granted, are enough to make you superb additions to our galactic, and now clusteric, communities. If we could but convince all of you of your innate fearlessness, there would BE no 12%+ loss. In case you haven't noticed ( I don't see how ) the population of this planet is increasing geometrically and overcrowding is a read problem and a 12% reduction would be a blessing to the planet Earth. In a year or two the 12 % would be right back. I vote for FOC Monday morning at 9:00a.m. Eastern time. HJ |
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Darla's on the way back! (was uhm, something else
"Charles D. Bohne" wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:38:33 GMT, "Dr. Why" wrote: Did you know that he bought the original formula for a piddley $500? Someday I'll tell you who sold the formula to him, if you like. Carl Sagan is one of my ideals, too! YubiWan We know you, Mr. Pemberton ;-) It was May 1886 when Mr. John Stith Pemberton, a pharmacist from Atlanta, was experimenting in his laboratory and eventually created the recipe for today's most renowned soft drink which is known as Coca-Cola®. The exact formula is still a well treasured secret. What he invented was the syrup for what should become the base of the modern Coca-Cola®. He began selling the beverage out of the so-called soda fountains where the syrup was mixed with carbonated water. The cost: 5c per glass. It's said that he didn't sell more than may be 15 drinks per day - well, a decent start. His bookkeeper Frank M. Robinson created the name Coca-Cola® and additionally today's well recognized Coca Cola® signature and font. In 1887 Coca-Cola® as a trademark was first introduced but its registration followed later: January 31,1893. Anyway, Mr. Pemperton did not believe in his invention and sold it in 1888 to the Atlanta businessman Mr. Asa Candler. That was the good stuff with cocaine in it. Yum! HJ |
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"Dr. Why", the current sockpuppet of the
fake alien, wrote: "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message ... From 'Dr.Y': Carl Sagan knew about space when we first contacted him. At that time he just didn't know quite how to present it to his peers, let alone the public. After talking with us he decided this was a good thing. So he didn't. Believe me, for now at least, humans are better off for it. Hmm.. so Sagan actually knew the true nature of space, and suddenly went mum about it? In that case, the same would have to be true of Einstein. After wholeheartedly endorsing the Lorentz 'ether' for 35+ years following the MM experiment, Einstein suddenly and inexplicably flip-flopped to the 'no medium' doctrine in the mid-1920s. Was this flip-flop an act of supreme stupidity, or an act of supreme wisdom and self-sacrifice? Einstein sure as hell wasn't stupid, so one is compelled to assume the latter, and view the flip-flop in the best possible light. Did he finally recognize the true nature of space as not the stationary 'rigid lattice' ether but one that's dynamically FLUID, compressible/expansible, and amenable to _density gradients_? Did he recognize that the _energy density_ of this medium eclipses his "E=mc˛" so far as to make nuclear energy a pop-gun by comparison? Recognizing mankind's imminent exploitation of "E=mc˛", did he, like a mother bird feigning a broken wing, lead the mainstream down the 'no medium' primrose path? To further solidify and entrench it, did he knowingly sacrifice his last 30 years as a _feint_ of trying to unify gravity under the 'no medium' clause? If such is the case, then the flip-flop back in the mid-1920s was an act of a wise and benevolent steward, to keep us corraled in our void-space 'playpen'. oc Sagan at that time was unable to figure out how to introduce this believably to physics. Remember that while he had a solid foundation in physics, Sagan was seen as an astronomer. His concern was that he didn't carry enough weight to introduce such a radically different idea and at the same time maintain his hard-earned credibility. He was afraid physicists would murder him (professionally speaking, meaning his reputation). Einstein was guilty of withholding evidence. He killed his discovery, once again, as a result of his comparison of evils. Promoting the void was the lesser of two evils. We coaxed and coaxed him until he finally decided. Then in 1945, he realized it was the correct choice for him. y Got any evidence for this crap you're making up as you go along, kook? -- Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy Official Agent of Deception Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005 "Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum." -- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief "Have patience. First I shall deal with the State of Oregon and County of Josephine, Then the AFAB, government/media disinformation Agents with whom you conspire to libel me and my family. Your time will come." -- Raymond Ronald Karczewski©, usenet "christ" "Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, and rather ironic, coming from someone who obviously has no understanding of what a signature is. Tell me, Haslam, do you sign your checks as 'Can't you show a little restraint?'" -- David Tholen, Clueless Newbie of the Month, February 2003 |
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