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Old March 20th 05, 12:22 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'

Creating the conditions for the formation of black holes is one of the
aims of particle physics

A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the
characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.
It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New
York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light
speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the
fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.

His work has been published on the pre-print website arxiv.org and is
reported in New Scientist magazine.

When the gold nuclei smash into each other they are broken down into
particles called quarks and gluons.

These form a ball of plasma about 300 times hotter than the surface of
the Sun. This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion,
billionths of a second, can be detected because it absorbs jets of
particles produced by the beam collisions.

But Nastase, of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, says
there is something unusual about it.

Ten times as many jets were being absorbed by the fireball as were
predicted by calculations.

The Brown researcher thinks the particles are disappearing into the
fireball's core and reappearing as thermal radiation, just as matter
is thought to fall into a black hole and come out as "Hawking"
radiation.

However, even if the ball of plasma is a black hole, it is not thought
to pose a threat. At these energies and distances, gravity is not the
dominant force in a black hole.

The RHIC is sited at the Brookhaven National Laboratory.


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Old March 20th 05, 05:18 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'

Creating the conditions for the formation of black holes is one of the
aims of particle physics

A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the
characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.
It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New
York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light
speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the
fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.


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Old March 20th 05, 05:34 PM
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:18:26 -0900, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:22:39 GMT, Bunn E. Rabbit
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'

Creating the conditions for the formation of black holes is one of the
aims of particle physics

A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the
characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.
It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New
York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light
speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the
fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.


WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!



Daymn, not again!






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Old March 20th 05, 06:08 PM
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:34:27 GMT, DrPostman
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:18:26 -0900, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:22:39 GMT, Bunn E. Rabbit
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'

Creating the conditions for the formation of black holes is one of the
aims of particle physics

A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the
characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.
It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New
York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light
speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the
fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.


WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!



Daymn, not again!


Yup, DOOOOOOOMED. Again.
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Old March 20th 05, 06:55 PM
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I predict the man made black hole will consume the East coast of the
USA.

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Old March 20th 05, 07:01 PM
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Monkey Boy wrote:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:34:27 GMT, DrPostman
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:18:26 -0900, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:22:39 GMT, Bunn E. Rabbit
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'

Creating the conditions for the formation of black holes is one of the
aims of particle physics

A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the
characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.
It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New
York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light
speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the
fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!



Daymn, not again!


Yup, DOOOOOOOMED. Again.


doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed again.

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Old March 20th 05, 07:05 PM
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"Bunn E. Rabbit" wrote in message
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'


There was a SciFi short story about this. Controlled "burst"
fusion was being used to produce power, and tiny black holes were
orbitting through the Earth. Before we knew about Hawking
radiation, I presume.

David A. Smith


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Old March 20th 05, 07:18 PM
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, it was written:

"Bunn E. Rabbit" wrote in message
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'


There was a SciFi short story about this. Controlled "burst"
fusion was being used to produce power, and tiny black holes were
orbitting through the Earth. Before we knew about Hawking
radiation, I presume.


Except, again, I feel the need to point out that the article in question
has nothing to do with black holes as people are thinking of them.

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Old March 20th 05, 07:21 PM
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Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'


Zero chance. Since the only people in the
whole universe to date that believe that Hawking
radiation comes from anywhere other than the Internet
are Hawking and his lab astrologers in Australia,
Los Angelos, and New York.



Creating the conditions for the formation of black holes is one of

the
aims of particle physics

A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the
characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.
It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New
York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light
speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the
fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.

His work has been published on the pre-print website arxiv.org and is
reported in New Scientist magazine.

When the gold nuclei smash into each other they are broken down into
particles called quarks and gluons.

These form a ball of plasma about 300 times hotter than the surface

of
the Sun. This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion,
billionths of a second, can be detected because it absorbs jets of
particles produced by the beam collisions.

But Nastase, of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, says
there is something unusual about it.

Ten times as many jets were being absorbed by the fireball as were
predicted by calculations.

The Brown researcher thinks the particles are disappearing into the
fireball's core and reappearing as thermal radiation, just as matter
is thought to fall into a black hole and come out as "Hawking"
radiation.

However, even if the ball of plasma is a black hole, it is not

thought
to pose a threat. At these energies and distances, gravity is not the
dominant force in a black hole.


That's quite obvious, since gravity is not
the dominant force in a spin hole either.

Since Brookhaven has been redesiginated
as a US National Laboratory as:

The Intergalatic Galileo Wannabee Laboratory.

And so hence, does not permit travel to Mars.



The RHIC is sited at the Brookhaven National Laboratory.


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death
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(525BC-456BC),
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Dear Creighton Hogg:

"Creighton Hogg" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, it was written:

"Bunn E. Rabbit" wrote in
message
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'


There was a SciFi short story about this. Controlled "burst"
fusion was being used to produce power, and tiny black holes
were
orbitting through the Earth. Before we knew about Hawking
radiation, I presume.


Except, again, I feel the need to point out that the article in
question
has nothing to do with black holes as people are thinking of
them.


The article was pretty clear that fewer constituent particles
than expected were seen coming out, but lots of purportedly
Hawking radiation... indicating that the holes were evaporating.

What do you fear they are thinking of, permanent structures that
continue to absorb mass and growing larger? Apparently not the
case.

David A. Smith


 




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