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The face on Mars
Last night I heard an interview with Richard Hoagland in which he said
that the face on Mars could not be a trick of light and shadow since it turned up in two images taken 30 hours apart. -- David Dalton http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "You've been so long/Well, it's been so long And I've been putting out fire/with gasoline" (David Bowie) |
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On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 12:11:37 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
Last night I heard an interview with Richard Hoagland in which he said that the face on Mars could not be a trick of light and shadow since it turned up in two images taken 30 hours apart. -- David Dalton http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "You've been so long/Well, it's been so long And I've been putting out fire/with gasoline" (David Bowie) issues like these are why I would love to see nasa launch 20 or so spirit and opportunities to go explore interesting areas on mars. spirit and opportunities were affordable, and very well built. they could do some excellent science, on mars and probably the moon and other locations. built in bulk, and launced on space x launchers, they would be realtively cheap |
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The face on Mars
"bob haller" wrote in message
... On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 12:11:37 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote: Last night I heard an interview with Richard Hoagland in which he said that the face on Mars could not be a trick of light and shadow since it turned up in two images taken 30 hours apart. -- David Dalton http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "You've been so long/Well, it's been so long And I've been putting out fire/with gasoline" (David Bowie) issues like these are why I would love to see nasa launch 20 or so spirit and opportunities to go explore interesting areas on mars. Issues like what? Hoagland's attempts to be relevant? spirit and opportunities were affordable, and very well built. they could do some excellent science, on mars and probably the moon and other locations. built in bulk, and launced on space x launchers, they would be realtively cheap Even if they were cheap to launch and land, the problem isn't at that end, it's at this end. There just aren't enough trained people handle all the data coming back. So it's a waste of time and money. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net |
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spirit and opportunities were affordable, and very well built. they could do some excellent science, on mars and probably the moon and other locations. built in bulk, and launced on space x launchers, they would be realtively cheap Even if they were cheap to launch and land, the problem isn't at that end, it's at this end. There just aren't enough trained people handle all the data coming back. So it's a waste of time and money. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net have colleges and universities do the controlling. the operators would be shadowed by a computer program to prevent accidents besides if we sent 50 spirit clones. can accept a 10% failure rate |
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David Dalton wrote:
Last night I heard an interview with Richard Hoagland in which he said that the face on Mars could not be a trick of light and shadow since it turned up in two images taken 30 hours apart. It is a trick of light, David. Since the over processed image of the face was made public nearly 50 years ago. 100s of high resolution images have been made and show the face is just a creation of mans imagination. The real problem is the initial image had been nightly over processed and then smoothed. You have to realize the entire face was an area nine square pixels. The processing took nineteen steps to created to create the face. If one took the same resolution image one could create a face out of over 50% of the possible combinations of pixels. Hoagland was discredited years ago. As more and more data has come in to play. He now is nothing more than a huckster hustling his side show. |
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"bob haller" wrote in message
... spirit and opportunities were affordable, and very well built. they could do some excellent science, on mars and probably the moon and other locations. built in bulk, and launced on space x launchers, they would be realtively cheap Even if they were cheap to launch and land, the problem isn't at that end, it's at this end. There just aren't enough trained people handle all the data coming back. So it's a waste of time and money. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net have colleges and universities do the controlling. the operators would be shadowed by a computer program to prevent accidents Great, you just solved a problem I didn't mention. besides if we sent 50 spirit clones. can accept a 10% failure rate It's not CONTROLLING them that's the problem Bob. It's being able to make sense of the data. You can't just willy-nilly drive around looking at stuff. You need a trained scientist making decisions. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net |
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On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 2:26:46 PM UTC-4, Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:
"bob haller" wrote in message ... spirit and opportunities were affordable, and very well built. they could do some excellent science, on mars and probably the moon and other locations. built in bulk, and launced on space x launchers, they would be realtively cheap Even if they were cheap to launch and land, the problem isn't at that end, it's at this end. There just aren't enough trained people handle all the data coming back. So it's a waste of time and money. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net have colleges and universities do the controlling. the operators would be shadowed by a computer program to prevent accidents Great, you just solved a problem I didn't mention. besides if we sent 50 spirit clones. can accept a 10% failure rate It's not CONTROLLING them that's the problem Bob. It's being able to make sense of the data. You can't just willy-nilly drive around looking at stuff. You need a trained scientist making decisions. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net ground based scientists are pretty cheap in comparison to astronauts on the ground. plus if we were able to send 50 spirits, the info they return could be archived, no need to study it all in real time.... so whats the rush. just skim it for important stuff, and then keep people busy for a generation with a large amount of data, it can make future landing site choices return more data. |
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"bob haller" wrote in message
... On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 2:26:46 PM UTC-4, Greg (Strider) Moore wrote: "bob haller" wrote in message ... spirit and opportunities were affordable, and very well built. they could do some excellent science, on mars and probably the moon and other locations. built in bulk, and launced on space x launchers, they would be realtively cheap Even if they were cheap to launch and land, the problem isn't at that end, it's at this end. There just aren't enough trained people handle all the data coming back. So it's a waste of time and money. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net have colleges and universities do the controlling. the operators would be shadowed by a computer program to prevent accidents Great, you just solved a problem I didn't mention. besides if we sent 50 spirit clones. can accept a 10% failure rate It's not CONTROLLING them that's the problem Bob. It's being able to make sense of the data. You can't just willy-nilly drive around looking at stuff. You need a trained scientist making decisions. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net ground based scientists are pretty cheap in comparison to astronauts on the ground. And janitors are cheaper. Your point? You still NEED them. We don't have that many. plus if we were able to send 50 spirits, the info they return could be archived, no need to study it all in real time.... so whats the rush. Exactly, so what's the rush. If you're not going to analyze it now and simply store it for later, why not wait until later when you CAN analyze all that data and launch then? Also, what exactly do you want to learn that Spirit or Opportunity clones will tell you? i.e. what is your goal. You're planning on spending billions w/o an actual goal. That's as bad as SLS. Once you have a specific goal, then you can optimize for that goal. just skim it for important stuff, and then keep people busy for a generation What's important? with a large amount of data, it can make future landing site choices return more data. Huh? Again, what data exactly are you looking for. Be specific. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net |
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plus if we were able to send 50 spirits, the info they return could be archived, no need to study it all in real time.... so whats the rush. Exactly, so what's the rush. If you're not going to analyze it now and simply store it for later, why not wait until later when you CAN analyze all that data and launch then? Also, what exactly do you want to learn that Spirit or Opportunity clones will tell you? i.e. what is your goal. You're planning on spending billions w/o an actual goal. That's as bad as SLS. Once you have a specific goal, then you can optimize for that goal. just skim it for important stuff, and then keep people busy for a generation What's important? with a large amount of data, it can make future landing site choices return more data. Huh? Again, what data exactly are you looking for. Be specific. picking landing sites for future robot explorers, and human missions hey it looks like active water here, lets follow up with a robotic deep well drillng rig. hey these rocks look interesting lets collect and send back to earth. with a entire planet to explore why not take a closer look. like the face on mars, go check the old viking landers, how have they stood up to the martian enviironment? good to know before humans arrive. land near some of the crashed failed missions, might be something to learn from the debris so how are the poles different? a million questions and no doubt more landers would provide more queestions |
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