WHY WE SHOULDN'T DARE COLONIZE SPACE?

(You'll find the answer below)

WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US?

(An Editorial by Ed Conrad)

Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn
Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs)
around faster than the Orient Express.)

How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible
work force?

Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we
operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except
in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay
10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35).

Well. how about our advancement in knowledge?
Ridiculous! WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs?

Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air,
clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty?

I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution
(although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that
same question 150-200 years ago).

Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education,
desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good
will toward our fellow man?

Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and
hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost
all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that
most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors.

I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept
that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)?
Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must
have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system --
like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected
in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them
filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on
to the common man.

To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space
get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all
about, they definitely would want NO part of us.

In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and
finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because
we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh
of relief and give a rousing cheer.

===========================

GOOD GAWD!

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ViewFornax.jpg

http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg

===========================

AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS

Zinkag 41 (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)
has written:

There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing
the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted
for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves
off.

I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial
capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as
authoritative or their opinions being representative of official
policy.

Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu
has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of
detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago.

Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial
techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers,
as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable
global conflagration or religious conflict.

As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless
times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking
with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have
insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In
the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later.

The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers
might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event,
the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely
is appreciably diminished with each successful colony.

The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials,
and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by
which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions.

In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program
was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later
we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit),
which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading
to non-trivial solar-system expansion.

Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many
major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed
geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring
accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first
generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond.

Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am
beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter
of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures
of insanity and violence to our space?

In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate
meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding.
Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their
native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle,
of interface.

Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they
retain their delusional belief systems.

I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these
Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality
of their reasoning?

We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and
simply consider whether their current level of technological
progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes",
but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are
capable of changing enough within the time remaining.

Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would
still like to consider what this means.

Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics
driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle
these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects
nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now.

On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are
peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more
than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency
allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of
science and technology which are useful to the political
economy but only influences fundamental change as a function
of its unpredictablity in deployment.

I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their
biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept
is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions.

In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet
expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss
what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly.

Sincerely,

Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)

===================================

THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Meier
http://www.deepspace4.com/pages/prop...och/henoch.htm
http://www.deepspace4.com/pages/prop...ch/henoch2.htm

============================

~~~~~~ GOOD GAWD! ~~~~~~~

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793

============================

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
and
PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com

DEATH DOES NOT EXIST
http://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpg
http://edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath

On Aug 12, 3:22*am, "Good Gawd!"
wrote:

(You'll find the answer below)

WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US?

* * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad)

Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn
Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs)
around faster than the Orient Express.)

How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible
work force?

Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we
operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except
in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay
10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35).

Well. how about our advancement in knowledge?
Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs?

Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air,
clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty?

I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution
(although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that
same question 150-200 years ago).

Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education,
desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good
will toward our fellow man?

Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and
hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost
all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that
most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors.

I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept
that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)?
Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must
have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system --
like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected
in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them
filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on
to the common man.

To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space
get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all
about, they definitely would want NO part of us.

In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and
finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because
we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh
of relief and give a rousing cheer.

===========================

* * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD!
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig....
http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg

===========================

* * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS

Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)
has written:

There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing
the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted
for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves
off.

I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial
capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as
authoritative or their opinions being representative of official
policy.

Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu
has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of
detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago.

Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial
techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers,
as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable
global conflagration or religious conflict.

As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless
times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking
with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have
insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In
the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later.

The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers
might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event,
the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely
is appreciably diminished with each successful colony.

The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials,
and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by
which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions.

In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program
was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later
we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit),
which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading
to non-trivial solar-system expansion.

Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many
major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed
geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring
accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first
generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond.

Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am
beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter
of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures
of insanity and violence to our space?

In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate
meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding.
Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their
native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle,
of interface.

Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they
retain their delusional belief systems.

I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these
Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality
of their reasoning?

We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and
simply consider whether their current level of technological
progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes",
but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are
capable of changing enough within the time remaining.

Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would
still like to consider what this means.

Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics
driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle
these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects
nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now.

On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are
peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more
than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency
allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of
science and technology which are useful to the political
economy but only influences fundamental change as a function
of its unpredictablity in deployment.

I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their
biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept
is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions.

In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet
expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss
what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly.

Sincerely,

Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)

===================================

* THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...ch/henoch2.htm

============================

* ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793

============================

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
and
PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com

DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath


It is incredibly impractical even to put a few on the Moon. That would
tax resources to the limit. We are not going
to colonize space regardless of what Stephen Hawking says. He is just
plane stupid.

Mitch Raemsch

On Aug 12, 11:46*am, BURT wrote:
On Aug 12, 3:22*am, "Good Gawd!"
wrote:




(You'll find the answer below)

WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US?

* * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad)

Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn
Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs)
around faster than the Orient Express.)

How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible
work force?

Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we
operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except
in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay
10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35).

Well. how about our advancement in knowledge?
Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs?

Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air,
clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty?

I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution
(although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that
same question 150-200 years ago).

Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education,
desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good
will toward our fellow man?

Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and
hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost
all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that
most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors.

I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept
that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)?
Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must
have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system --
like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected
in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them
filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on
to the common man.

To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space
get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all
about, they definitely would want NO part of us.

In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and
finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because
we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh
of relief and give a rousing cheer.

===========================

* * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD!
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig...
http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg

===========================

* * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS

Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)
has written:

There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing
the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted
for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves
off.

I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial
capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as
authoritative or their opinions being representative of official
policy.

Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu
has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of
detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago.

Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial
techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers,
as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable
global conflagration or religious conflict.

As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless
times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking
with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have
insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In
the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later.

The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers
might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event,
the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely
is appreciably diminished with each successful colony.

The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials,
and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by
which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions.

In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program
was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later
we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit),
which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading
to non-trivial solar-system expansion.

Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many
major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed
geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring
accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first
generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond.

Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am
beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter
of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures
of insanity and violence to our space?

In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate
meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding.
Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their
native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle,
of interface.

Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they
retain their delusional belief systems.

I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these
Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality
of their reasoning?

We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and
simply consider whether their current level of technological
progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes",
but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are
capable of changing enough within the time remaining.

Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would
still like to consider what this means.

Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics
driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle
these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects
nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now.

On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are
peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more
than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency
allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of
science and technology which are useful to the political
economy but only influences fundamental change as a function
of its unpredictablity in deployment.

I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their
biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept
is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions.

In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet
expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss
what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly.

Sincerely,

Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)

===================================

* THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...space4.com/pag....

============================

* ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793

============================

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
and
PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com

DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafter...


It is incredibly impractical even to put a few on the Moon. That would
tax resources to the limit. We are not going
to colonize space regardless of what Stephen Hawking says. He is just
plane stupid.

Mitch Raemsch

Not in your lifetime - think 100 or 1000 years ahead.

On Aug 12, 7:22*am, "Good Gawd!"
wrote:

(You'll find the answer below)

WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US?

* * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad)

Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn
Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs)
around faster than the Orient Express.)

How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible
work force?

Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we
operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except
in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay
10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35).

Well. how about our advancement in knowledge?
Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs?

Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air,
clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty?

I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution
(although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that
same question 150-200 years ago).

Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education,
desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good
will toward our fellow man?

Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and
hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost
all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that
most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors.

I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept
that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)?
Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must
have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system --
like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected
in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them
filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on
to the common man.

To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space
get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all
about, they definitely would want NO part of us.

In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and
finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because
we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh
of relief and give a rousing cheer.

===========================

* * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD!
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig....
http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg

===========================

* * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS

Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)
has written:

There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing
the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted
for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves
off.

I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial
capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as
authoritative or their opinions being representative of official
policy.

Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu
has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of
detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago.

Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial
techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers,
as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable
global conflagration or religious conflict.

As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless
times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking
with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have
insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In
the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later.

The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers
might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event,
the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely
is appreciably diminished with each successful colony.

The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials,
and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by
which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions.

In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program
was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later
we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit),
which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading
to non-trivial solar-system expansion.

Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many
major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed
geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring
accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first
generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond.

Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am
beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter
of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures
of insanity and violence to our space?

In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate
meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding.
Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their
native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle,
of interface.

Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they
retain their delusional belief systems.

I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these
Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality
of their reasoning?

We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and
simply consider whether their current level of technological
progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes",
but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are
capable of changing enough within the time remaining.

Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would
still like to consider what this means.

Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics
driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle
these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects
nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now.

On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are
peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more
than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency
allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of
science and technology which are useful to the political
economy but only influences fundamental change as a function
of its unpredictablity in deployment.

I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their
biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept
is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions.

In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet
expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss
what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly.

Sincerely,

Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)

===================================

* THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...ch/henoch2.htm

============================

* ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793

============================

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
and
PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com

DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath


I guess extraterrestrials would not have much use for us.

Thanks!
Scott
http://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/

On Aug 12, 9:30*pm, ScottHughes wrote:

I guess extraterrestrials would not have much use for us.


I think the concept of usury is a typical domesticated humaaaan
'quality'.

huuuuumaaaan hahaha!!

On Aug 12, 11:19*am, HardySpicer wrote:
On Aug 12, 11:46*am, BURT wrote:





On Aug 12, 3:22*am, "Good Gawd!"
wrote:


(You'll find the answer below)

WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US?

* * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad)

Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn
Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs)
around faster than the Orient Express.)

How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible
work force?

Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we
operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except
in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay
10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35).

Well. how about our advancement in knowledge?
Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs?

Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air,
clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty?

I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution
(although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that
same question 150-200 years ago).

Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education,
desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good
will toward our fellow man?

Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and
hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost
all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that
most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors.

I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept
that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)?
Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must
have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system --
like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected
in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them
filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on
to the common man.

To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space
get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all
about, they definitely would want NO part of us.

In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and
finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because
we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh
of relief and give a rousing cheer.

===========================

* * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD!
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig...
http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg

===========================

* * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS

Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)
has written:

There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing
the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted
for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves
off.

I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial
capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as
authoritative or their opinions being representative of official
policy.

Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu
has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of
detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago.

Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial
techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers,
as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable
global conflagration or religious conflict.

As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless
times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking
with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have
insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In
the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later.

The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers
might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event,
the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely
is appreciably diminished with each successful colony.

The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials,
and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by
which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions.

In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program
was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later
we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit),
which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading
to non-trivial solar-system expansion.

Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many
major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed
geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring
accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first
generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond.

Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am
beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter
of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures
of insanity and violence to our space?

In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate
meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding.
Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their
native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle,
of interface.

Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they
retain their delusional belief systems.

I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these
Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality
of their reasoning?

We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and
simply consider whether their current level of technological
progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes",
but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are
capable of changing enough within the time remaining.

Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would
still like to consider what this means.

Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics
driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle
these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects
nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now.

On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are
peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more
than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency
allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of
science and technology which are useful to the political
economy but only influences fundamental change as a function
of its unpredictablity in deployment.

I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their
biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept
is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions.

In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet
expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss
what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly.

Sincerely,

Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)

===================================

* THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...space4.com/pag...

============================

* ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793

============================

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
and
PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com

DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafter...


It is incredibly impractical even to put a few on the Moon. That would
tax resources to the limit. We are not going
to colonize space regardless of what Stephen Hawking says. He is just
plane stupid.

Mitch Raemsch

Not in your lifetime - think 100 or 1000 years ahead.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The resources are as of now rapidly declining. Further in the future
means even less and possibly near none.

Mitch Raemsch

"Good Gawd!" wrote:


(You'll find the answer below)

WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US?
[snip 200 lines of crap]

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/bovine.htm
Ask Dr. Scund

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

On Aug 12, 12:30*pm, ScottHughes wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:22*am, "Good Gawd!"
wrote:




(You'll find the answer below)

WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US?

* * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad)

Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn
Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs)
around faster than the Orient Express.)

How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible
work force?

Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we
operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except
in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay
10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35).

Well. how about our advancement in knowledge?
Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs?

Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air,
clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty?

I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution
(although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that
same question 150-200 years ago).

Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education,
desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good
will toward our fellow man?

Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and
hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost
all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that
most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors.

I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept
that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)?
Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must
have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system --
like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected
in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them
filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on
to the common man.

To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space
get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all
about, they definitely would want NO part of us.

In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and
finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because
we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh
of relief and give a rousing cheer.

===========================

* * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD!
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig...
http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg

===========================

* * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS

Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)
has written:

There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing
the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted
for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves
off.

I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial
capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as
authoritative or their opinions being representative of official
policy.

Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu
has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of
detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago.

Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial
techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers,
as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable
global conflagration or religious conflict.

As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless
times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking
with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have
insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In
the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later.

The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers
might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event,
the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely
is appreciably diminished with each successful colony.

The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials,
and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by
which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions.

In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program
was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later
we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit),
which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading
to non-trivial solar-system expansion.

Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many
major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed
geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring
accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first
generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond.

Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am
beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter
of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures
of insanity and violence to our space?

In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate
meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding.
Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their
native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle,
of interface.

Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they
retain their delusional belief systems.

I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these
Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality
of their reasoning?

We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and
simply consider whether their current level of technological
progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes",
but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are
capable of changing enough within the time remaining.

Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would
still like to consider what this means.

Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics
driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle
these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects
nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now.

On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are
peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more
than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency
allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of
science and technology which are useful to the political
economy but only influences fundamental change as a function
of its unpredictablity in deployment.

I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their
biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept
is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions.

In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet
expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss
what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly.

Sincerely,

Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64)

===================================

* THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...space4.com/pag....

============================

* ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793

============================

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
and
PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com

DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafter...


I guess extraterrestrials would not have much use for us.

Thanks!
Scotthttp://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/

How very correct, Scott, as what could any ET in their half right mind
consider us pathetic humans or even whatever remains of Earth, as
worthy of anything.

~ BG

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:46:22 -0700, BURT wrote:

It is incredibly impractical even to put a few on the Moon. That would
tax resources to the limit. We are not going to colonize space
regardless of what Stephen Hawking says. He is just plane stupid.

Mitch Raemsch

Someone who can't even spell "plain" is hardly in a position to criticise
a world-renowned theoretical physicist.

If I haven't been clear: your opinion is not important, go away.

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