Is this why we still do not have Selene L1

Oops! seems we do not want to discuss affordable options that are
already fully R&D plus having been deployed and decade plus track
record proven to being worth their mass in gold.

Perhaps the one and only viable option is to bet the entire farm on
Mars, going for our forth remortgage on a floating loan rate, that
which only the next ten generations will get to pay for. God forbid
we should focus on anything Eden/Earth related, or on practical off-
world science that doesn't involve having to protect our frail DNA.

Good grief, can this Usenet/newsgroup manage to get itself any more
Zionist Nazi pathetic and republican defensive mindset, or what?

How about if BHO just pulls all the plugs, and we let everything of
DARPA and NASA fall to pieces. At least we would no longer be wasting
any more time, talents and badly depleted resources to such an
extent. Of anything critical could be outsourced to India at perhaps
as little as ten cents on the dollar, and everything else managed by
our USAF that's fully functional as is.

~ BG


On May 16, 5:20*pm, BradGuth wrote:
The Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1) may be good for nothing, at least that’s
exactly what our NASA and DARPA want us to think. *I wonder why that
is?

The hunt for Sirius C is about to get more interesting, with three new
ESA deployed astronomy missions, and our renewed Hubble upgraded to
within a few years of being the best of optical technology that it can
be, as such should make detecting everything from tiny neutron stars
to black holes a whole lot more doable. *Obviously neutrons and black
holes themselves are too optically stealthy, but their nearby
surrounds are not.

If nothing goes wrong with this final Hubble repair/upgrade, we’ll
have a good $12+ billion invested in our favorite eye-candy machine,
and still little old TRACE doing its same old boring but far more
important science at initially less than $50M.

A pair of new and improved TRACEx100s might run us $120M, or roughly
1% of our Hubble investment, and that’s without ever having to risk
one human cell or strand of DNA, nor having caused 1% the global
pollution. *I might go so far as to suggest situating one of the
TRACEx100s at Earth L1, and the other at Earth L2, as that way we
could have a stereo view of Sirius, plus many other stereo/3D
applications including nifty Earth science pertaining to our
magnetosphere and solar wind, along with another darn good option of
using the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) location instead of the polar LEO
that’s currently in use by the old existing TRACE.

At 1% the investment cost of Hubble, either of two TRACEx100s (100x
greater resolution than our existing TRACE), plus 4 db of added
dynamic range and quite possibly even a third TRACEx100 that could
also perform multiple OCO duties, as well as offering some limited
Selene/moon related geological science and even basic astronomy
functions from within Selene L1. *Perhaps with some luck and composite
imaging from the renewed and greatly improved Hubble we’ll locate the
massive cloud of molecular gasses that gave such a sudden and vibrant
birth to the nearby Sirius star/solar system that started off as
roughly 12 solar masses, and thereby obtaining a better physics and
science understanding as to the most recent evolution of stars, and
essentially of better understanding to most of everything else
(including ourselves).

The whole package deal of creating and deploying three TRACEx100s
should come in under $200M, and it’s nearly all Earth, moon and solar
related science to boot. *The original creators of TRACE could be
contracted to create these new and improved TRACEx100 or TRACEe2,
which should easily exceed a decade or two in their deployed operation
without further attention.
*http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/trace_mosaic.html

Another task for TRACEe2 is that of our Eden/Earth is still losing
mass, at perhaps a minimum loss of 100 kg/sec (0.11 t/sec), while
receiving at most 10 kg/sec (110 kg/sec). *With proper instruments in
orbit (some of which already exist) or otherwise as best deployed
within Selene L1, via observationology we could deductively interpret
in order to better understand and objectively quantify this ongoing
loss. *The OCO mission was also supposed to identify certain gaseous
and particle elements related to global dimming and greenhouse
heating, as well as accurately map their terrestrial origin, but that
threat to Big Energy got terminated just in the nick of time.

On Apr 19, 4:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps any platform of science instruments and cameras covering
multiple bandpass spectrums from IR to UV, including TRACE and OCO
instrumentation as interactively parked within Selene L1, as intended
for looking back at Earth or forbid that of our physically dark Selene/
moon, as such would only have been too gosh darn informative and
otherwise truth revealing.

“Lunar Smackdown”
*http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exp...Smackdown.html
*Notice how even though equal or far better resolution of the Apollo
era existed, that never once was such a spacecraft or any kind of
associated “smackdown” recorded and published for public review. *It’s
as though our 100% public funded NASA and DARPA were being stingy

“At 8:13 p.m. EST a 217-second S-IVB auxiliary propulsion system burn
aimed the S-IVB for a lunar target point so accurately that another
burn was not required. The S-IVB/IU impacted the lunar surface at 8:10
p.m. EST on April 14 at a speed of 259 meters per second. Impact was
137.1 kilometers from the Apollo 12 seismometer. The seismic signal
generated by the impact lasted 3 hours 20 minutes and was so strong
that a ground command was necessary to reduce seismometer gain and
keep the recording on the scale. The suprathermal ion detector
experiment, also deployed by the Apollo 12 crew, recorded a jump in
the number of ions from zero at the time of impact up to 2,500 shortly
thereafter and then back to a zero count. Scientists theorized that
ionization had been produced by 6,300 K to 10,300 K (6,000 degrees C
to 10,000 degrees C) temperature generated by the impact or that
particles had reached an altitude of 60 kilometers from the lunar
surface and had been ionized by sunlight.”

LCROSS (impactor 901 kg)
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/docs/LCROSS_FS082108.pdf
The Apollo era had multiple items of much greater mass impacting our
moon, many of those having impacted at full velocity of 2.5 km/s, and
yet our supposed “right stuff” never having obtained an image from
nearby orbit or even that via any terrestrial based observations that
should have been way more than sufficient, especially considering
their inert mass and impact velocity.

“Three days later the 30,700-pound (13,925 kilogram) hulk struck the
lunar surface at 5,600 miles per hour (2.5 kilometers per second) some
74 miles (119 kilometers) west-northwest of the Apollo 12 landing
site, releasing energy estimated as equivalent to the explosion of 7.7
tons (7,000 kilograms) of TNT.”

“Several spent lunar module ascent stages and Saturn V S-IVB stages
used in the Apollo missions were deliberately sent to impact the
surface in order to test the effects of these artificial "meteorite"
impacts on the seismometers. In all, four lunar modules and five
Saturn upper stages were directed to the surface.” *And yet never a
public published image of any such horrific impacts as they took
place. *How odd, that we should need to conduct such repetitive
science.

Of somewhat further noteworthy interest: *Within the limited DR of a
Nikon Coolpix 5000, darn if Mars doesn’t outshine our physically dark
as coal Selene/moon (exactly as it should).http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...on_030717.html

For some silly reason, out of all the thousands of unobstructed
orbital obtained images with nothing but the very best of film and
optics, and the same goes for all those tens of thousands of surface
EVA obtained frames by way of all sorts of nifty cameras and video,
that not once was there any hint of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury or
even the extremely vibrant Venus above their physically dark as coal
lunar surface.

Of course by now there are thousands of amateur images, though badly
impaired by way of our polluted and otherwise incoming photon deprived
due to our spectrum filtering atmosphere, that which still managed to
show us our Selene/moon along with those other items as unavoidably
getting into the same FOV(frame of view). *Go far enough south, even
down-under south of our equator and you can’t but help getting a good
side by side perspectives of our moon including Sirius in the same
FOV, and of course from orbiting or walking upon our physically dark
moon is next to impossible to so entirely exclude Sirius and
especially those pesky other planets from a few of those images, but
none the less they had managed to do just that.

Sirius A depicted as sufficiently relative to the brightness and color/
hue of other stars, along with the nearly invisible Sirius B of a
false color, although our extremely nearby Selene/moon as clearly
having to be an overexposed or that of an excess photon saturated
simulation is what forces any computer simulated or composite image of
our moon along with Sirius to look ultra white instead of being nearly
as dark as coal. *Of course our NASA has far better simulators that
would be 100% true and fully capable of giving us a complex simulated
image of our moon along with Sirius within the same FOV.

Here’s a wide field of view depicting *the Visible and X-ray images of
our moon and Sirius in the very same FOV.
*http://www.nmm.ac.uk/rog/2008/02/

Of course most any half-baked orbital simulator easily proves that
from orbiting our moon it would have been technically impossible to
entirely avoid getting Sirius and/or a few other items of planets in
the same FOV as our physically dark as coal moon. *But then I suppose
with “the right stuff” almost anything becomes possible.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Mar 3, 7:51*am, BradGuth wrote: Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?

Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. *In some
instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.

“The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy

...

read more »

So what if the Earth-moon-L1 (aka Selene L1) location is too hot and
too radiated for human DNA?

On May 16, 5:20*pm, BradGuth wrote:
The Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1) may be good for nothing, at least that’s
exactly what our NASA and DARPA want us to think. *I wonder why that
is?

The hunt for Sirius C is about to get more interesting, with three new
ESA deployed astronomy missions, and our renewed Hubble upgraded to
within a few years of being the best of optical technology that it can
be, as such should make detecting everything from tiny neutron stars
to black holes a whole lot more doable. *Obviously neutrons and black
holes themselves are too optically stealthy, but their nearby
surrounds are not.

If nothing goes wrong with this final Hubble repair/upgrade, we’ll
have a good $12+ billion invested in our favorite eye-candy machine,
and still little old TRACE doing its same old boring but far more
important science at initially less than $50M.

A pair of new and improved TRACEx100s might run us $120M, or roughly
1% of our Hubble investment, and that’s without ever having to risk
one human cell or strand of DNA, nor having caused 1% the global
pollution. *I might go so far as to suggest situating one of the
TRACEx100s at Earth L1, and the other at Earth L2, as that way we
could have a stereo view of Sirius, plus many other stereo/3D
applications including nifty Earth science pertaining to our
magnetosphere and solar wind, along with another darn good option of
using the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) location instead of the polar LEO
that’s currently in use by the old existing TRACE.

At 1% the investment cost of Hubble, either of two TRACEx100s (100x
greater resolution than our existing TRACE), plus 4 db of added
dynamic range and quite possibly even a third TRACEx100 that could
also perform multiple OCO duties, as well as offering some limited
Selene/moon related geological science and even basic astronomy
functions from within Selene L1. *Perhaps with some luck and composite
imaging from the renewed and greatly improved Hubble we’ll locate the
massive cloud of molecular gasses that gave such a sudden and vibrant
birth to the nearby Sirius star/solar system that started off as
roughly 12 solar masses, and thereby obtaining a better physics and
science understanding as to the most recent evolution of stars, and
essentially of better understanding to most of everything else
(including ourselves).

The whole package deal of creating and deploying three TRACEx100s
should come in under $200M, and it’s nearly all Earth, moon and solar
related science to boot. *The original creators of TRACE could be
contracted to create these new and improved TRACEx100 or TRACEe2,
which should easily exceed a decade or two in their deployed operation
without further attention.
*http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/trace_mosaic.html

Another task for TRACEe2 is that of our Eden/Earth is still losing
mass, at perhaps a minimum loss of 100 kg/sec (0.11 t/sec), while
receiving at most 10 kg/sec (110 kg/sec). *With proper instruments in
orbit (some of which already exist) or otherwise as best deployed
within Selene L1, via observationology we could deductively interpret
in order to better understand and objectively quantify this ongoing
loss. *The OCO mission was also supposed to identify certain gaseous
and particle elements related to global dimming and greenhouse
heating, as well as accurately map their terrestrial origin, but that
threat to Big Energy got terminated just in the nick of time.

On Apr 19, 4:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps any platform of science instruments and cameras covering
multiple bandpass spectrums from IR to UV, including TRACE and OCO
instrumentation as interactively parked within Selene L1, as intended
for looking back at Earth or forbid that of our physically dark Selene/
moon, as such would only have been too gosh darn informative and
otherwise truth revealing.

“Lunar Smackdown”
*http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exp...Smackdown.html
*Notice how even though equal or far better resolution of the Apollo
era existed, that never once was such a spacecraft or any kind of
associated “smackdown” recorded and published for public review. *It’s
as though our 100% public funded NASA and DARPA were being stingy

“At 8:13 p.m. EST a 217-second S-IVB auxiliary propulsion system burn
aimed the S-IVB for a lunar target point so accurately that another
burn was not required. The S-IVB/IU impacted the lunar surface at 8:10
p.m. EST on April 14 at a speed of 259 meters per second. Impact was
137.1 kilometers from the Apollo 12 seismometer. The seismic signal
generated by the impact lasted 3 hours 20 minutes and was so strong
that a ground command was necessary to reduce seismometer gain and
keep the recording on the scale. The suprathermal ion detector
experiment, also deployed by the Apollo 12 crew, recorded a jump in
the number of ions from zero at the time of impact up to 2,500 shortly
thereafter and then back to a zero count. Scientists theorized that
ionization had been produced by 6,300 K to 10,300 K (6,000 degrees C
to 10,000 degrees C) temperature generated by the impact or that
particles had reached an altitude of 60 kilometers from the lunar
surface and had been ionized by sunlight.”

LCROSS (impactor 901 kg)
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/docs/LCROSS_FS082108.pdf
The Apollo era had multiple items of much greater mass impacting our
moon, many of those having impacted at full velocity of 2.5 km/s, and
yet our supposed “right stuff” never having obtained an image from
nearby orbit or even that via any terrestrial based observations that
should have been way more than sufficient, especially considering
their inert mass and impact velocity.

“Three days later the 30,700-pound (13,925 kilogram) hulk struck the
lunar surface at 5,600 miles per hour (2.5 kilometers per second) some
74 miles (119 kilometers) west-northwest of the Apollo 12 landing
site, releasing energy estimated as equivalent to the explosion of 7.7
tons (7,000 kilograms) of TNT.”

“Several spent lunar module ascent stages and Saturn V S-IVB stages
used in the Apollo missions were deliberately sent to impact the
surface in order to test the effects of these artificial "meteorite"
impacts on the seismometers. In all, four lunar modules and five
Saturn upper stages were directed to the surface.” *And yet never a
public published image of any such horrific impacts as they took
place. *How odd, that we should need to conduct such repetitive
science.

Of somewhat further noteworthy interest: *Within the limited DR of a
Nikon Coolpix 5000, darn if Mars doesn’t outshine our physically dark
as coal Selene/moon (exactly as it should).http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...on_030717.html

For some silly reason, out of all the thousands of unobstructed
orbital obtained images with nothing but the very best of film and
optics, and the same goes for all those tens of thousands of surface
EVA obtained frames by way of all sorts of nifty cameras and video,
that not once was there any hint of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury or
even the extremely vibrant Venus above their physically dark as coal
lunar surface.

Of course by now there are thousands of amateur images, though badly
impaired by way of our polluted and otherwise incoming photon deprived
due to our spectrum filtering atmosphere, that which still managed to
show us our Selene/moon along with those other items as unavoidably
getting into the same FOV(frame of view). *Go far enough south, even
down-under south of our equator and you can’t but help getting a good
side by side perspectives of our moon including Sirius in the same
FOV, and of course from orbiting or walking upon our physically dark
moon is next to impossible to so entirely exclude Sirius and
especially those pesky other planets from a few of those images, but
none the less they had managed to do just that.

Sirius A depicted as sufficiently relative to the brightness and color/
hue of other stars, along with the nearly invisible Sirius B of a
false color, although our extremely nearby Selene/moon as clearly
having to be an overexposed or that of an excess photon saturated
simulation is what forces any computer simulated or composite image of
our moon along with Sirius to look ultra white instead of being nearly
as dark as coal. *Of course our NASA has far better simulators that
would be 100% true and fully capable of giving us a complex simulated
image of our moon along with Sirius within the same FOV.

Here’s a wide field of view depicting *the Visible and X-ray images of
our moon and Sirius in the very same FOV.
*http://www.nmm.ac.uk/rog/2008/02/

Of course most any half-baked orbital simulator easily proves that
from orbiting our moon it would have been technically impossible to
entirely avoid getting Sirius and/or a few other items of planets in
the same FOV as our physically dark as coal moon. *But then I suppose
with “the right stuff” almost anything becomes possible.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Mar 3, 7:51*am, BradGuth wrote: Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?

Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. *In some
instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.

“The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
Administration”
*http://www.climatelaw.org/cases/coun...ase-documents/...

“The human health effects of exposure to pollutant emissions from gas
flares will be localized to the vicinity of such flares. Therefore, it
is important to estimate how much gas each flow station in the Delta
flares. Recent data show that the Kolo Creek and Obama flow stations
in Bayelsa State flare, on average, approximately 800,000 m3/day of
gas” (most of which they’d like nothing better than to simply burn off
in order to prevent catastrophic local fireballs that could otherwise
incinerate most everything in sight).

*“Hence, based on the Canadian data, an 800,000 m3/day sweet gas flare
would elevate ambient air levels of particulate matter by 21 ug/m3 at
a distance of 1,325 meters from such flare, and would elevate ambient
levels of benzene by 2.3 ug/m3.”

Some nations have enforcement of flare gas standards to go by.
*“Burning of gas in fields that produce 150,000 m3 or less per month,
or in fields with a gas-petroleum ratio of less than 20 m3/m3”

In other words, they don’t want to see more flare gas (of primarily
methane) combustion greater than 20 m3 per m3 of extracted oil. *They
even attempt to restrict this incineration gauntlet down to the dull
roar of *“60,000 m3 per month for the pilots of flares on
installations at sea”. * Most oil fields and especially offshore
directly utilize 33% of their vented methane in order to produce a
source of local energy, of which does nothing except pass-through
whatever’s helium. *Therefore, per m3 of extracted oil can contribute
its 1% of 30 m3 of associated methane as raw helium, or 0.3 m3 helium
per m3 of crude oil. *That’s 30% helium per volume of crude oil. *In
trying to remain conservative, we might suggest 20% per volume of
crude as helium.

Of course, most all of this artificially created CO2 via oil flare gas
combustion and of our coal industry ventilation of releasing gas and
toxins, including its raw methane, helium and even freed hydrogen
would not have gone unnoticed by those new and greatly improved
science instruments of our spendy and badly needed OCO mission, that
which rather conveniently failed to get deployed. *What we have got
here is a serious Big Energy butt load of damage-control motives, more
than sufficient opportunities and certainly the wherewithal means by
which to foil or eliminate any such public funded science that might
give the rest of us an honest clue as to what we’re doing to our
environment.

“The Canadian Public Health Association has noted over 250 identified
toxins.”

In addition to the mostly artificial release of helium, there’s also a
fair amount of hydrogen set free, that isn’t otherwise properly stored
or consumed, and always good old SO2, CO2 plus NOx for good measure,
and much of everything else you wouldn’t dare put into your body, plus
a few elements heavy enough (such as radon) that’ll sink to the
surface and/or combine with other perfectly acceptable elements so as
to dilute or cloak there existence (acidic rain being one of the most
common, although others such as benz[a]pyrene and dioxin are certainly
worth noting), many of which would have been OCO remote spectrometer
detected and even rather nicely quantified per better than 3 km2
resolution. *In other words, a large enough cache of Porta-Potties
might have been easily detected and their gas output quantified by
those three bore-sighted high-resolution spectrometers. *In the near
future, instead of extrapolating data from spectrophotometry, with
better instruments based upon the x-ray or gamma spectrometer format
could narrow this resolution detail down to a few m2, thus eliminating
all possible doubt as to where each and every m3 of such gas
contributed elements are coming from. *In other words, a Big Energy
executive couldn’t fart without being detected.

If you don’t want to know about the extensive CO2 contributions, then
by all means don’t go to this next link.

CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENTS PER BARREL OF CRUDE
*https://www.edockets.state.mn.us/EFi...Number=5589092
*336472 kg of CO2 per barrel of extracted crude (excluding methane
combustion) seems a tidbit high, but what hell, it’s only our frail
environment and quality of life we’re trashing. *All we have to do is
adjust ourselves to a future of 1000 ppm(0.1%) CO2 and stop our
incessant whining about acid rain, global warming, or the accelerated
erosion of our precious topsoils, plus the inflationary cost of most
everything that’s becoming spendy as hell.

Paint me silly, but I smell rotten eggs. *Too bad as of 4 decades ago
we didn’t establish our robust platform or gateway/outpost of
sufficient robotic/remote science within the ideal orbital location of
Selene L1, offering the best ever whole Earth observations including
the contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly failing
magnetosphere. *Instead we keep wasting time, resources and our hard
earned loot on LEO limited observations that seldom if ever agree with
one another.

With OCO out of the way, and no real investigation of mission failure
ever taking place, Big Energy can continue to pollute, radiate and
lose tract of as much methane laced with hydrogen and helium as they
like.

So what if the Selene L1 location is too hot and too radiated?

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Selene L1 would also be a good location to monitor the failing
geomagnetic force and our protective magnetosphere. Does anyone care?

On May 16, 5:20*pm, BradGuth wrote:
The Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1) may be good for nothing, at least that’s
exactly what our NASA and DARPA want us to think. *I wonder why that
is?

The hunt for Sirius C is about to get more interesting, with three new
ESA deployed astronomy missions, and our renewed Hubble upgraded to
within a few years of being the best of optical technology that it can
be, as such should make detecting everything from tiny neutron stars
to black holes a whole lot more doable. *Obviously neutrons and black
holes themselves are too optically stealthy, but their nearby
surrounds are not.

If nothing goes wrong with this final Hubble repair/upgrade, we’ll
have a good $12+ billion invested in our favorite eye-candy machine,
and still little old TRACE doing its same old boring but far more
important science at initially less than $50M.

A pair of new and improved TRACEx100s might run us $120M, or roughly
1% of our Hubble investment, and that’s without ever having to risk
one human cell or strand of DNA, nor having caused 1% the global
pollution. *I might go so far as to suggest situating one of the
TRACEx100s at Earth L1, and the other at Earth L2, as that way we
could have a stereo view of Sirius, plus many other stereo/3D
applications including nifty Earth science pertaining to our
magnetosphere and solar wind, along with another darn good option of
using the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) location instead of the polar LEO
that’s currently in use by the old existing TRACE.

At 1% the investment cost of Hubble, either of two TRACEx100s (100x
greater resolution than our existing TRACE), plus 4 db of added
dynamic range and quite possibly even a third TRACEx100 that could
also perform multiple OCO duties, as well as offering some limited
Selene/moon related geological science and even basic astronomy
functions from within Selene L1. *Perhaps with some luck and composite
imaging from the renewed and greatly improved Hubble we’ll locate the
massive cloud of molecular gasses that gave such a sudden and vibrant
birth to the nearby Sirius star/solar system that started off as
roughly 12 solar masses, and thereby obtaining a better physics and
science understanding as to the most recent evolution of stars, and
essentially of better understanding to most of everything else
(including ourselves).

The whole package deal of creating and deploying three TRACEx100s
should come in under $200M, and it’s nearly all Earth, moon and solar
related science to boot. *The original creators of TRACE could be
contracted to create these new and improved TRACEx100 or TRACEe2,
which should easily exceed a decade or two in their deployed operation
without further attention.
*http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/trace_mosaic.html

Another task for TRACEe2 is that of our Eden/Earth is still losing
mass, at perhaps a minimum loss of 100 kg/sec (0.11 t/sec), while
receiving at most 10 kg/sec (110 kg/sec). *With proper instruments in
orbit (some of which already exist) or otherwise as best deployed
within Selene L1, via observationology we could deductively interpret
in order to better understand and objectively quantify this ongoing
loss. *The OCO mission was also supposed to identify certain gaseous
and particle elements related to global dimming and greenhouse
heating, as well as accurately map their terrestrial origin, but that
threat to Big Energy got terminated just in the nick of time.

On Apr 19, 4:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps any platform of science instruments and cameras covering
multiple bandpass spectrums from IR to UV, including TRACE and OCO
instrumentation as interactively parked within Selene L1, as intended
for looking back at Earth or forbid that of our physically dark Selene/
moon, as such would only have been too gosh darn informative and
otherwise truth revealing.

“Lunar Smackdown”
*http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exp...Smackdown.html
*Notice how even though equal or far better resolution of the Apollo
era existed, that never once was such a spacecraft or any kind of
associated “smackdown” recorded and published for public review. *It’s
as though our 100% public funded NASA and DARPA were being stingy

“At 8:13 p.m. EST a 217-second S-IVB auxiliary propulsion system burn
aimed the S-IVB for a lunar target point so accurately that another
burn was not required. The S-IVB/IU impacted the lunar surface at 8:10
p.m. EST on April 14 at a speed of 259 meters per second. Impact was
137.1 kilometers from the Apollo 12 seismometer. The seismic signal
generated by the impact lasted 3 hours 20 minutes and was so strong
that a ground command was necessary to reduce seismometer gain and
keep the recording on the scale. The suprathermal ion detector
experiment, also deployed by the Apollo 12 crew, recorded a jump in
the number of ions from zero at the time of impact up to 2,500 shortly
thereafter and then back to a zero count. Scientists theorized that
ionization had been produced by 6,300 K to 10,300 K (6,000 degrees C
to 10,000 degrees C) temperature generated by the impact or that
particles had reached an altitude of 60 kilometers from the lunar
surface and had been ionized by sunlight.”

LCROSS (impactor 901 kg)
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/docs/LCROSS_FS082108.pdf
The Apollo era had multiple items of much greater mass impacting our
moon, many of those having impacted at full velocity of 2.5 km/s, and
yet our supposed “right stuff” never having obtained an image from
nearby orbit or even that via any terrestrial based observations that
should have been way more than sufficient, especially considering
their inert mass and impact velocity.

“Three days later the 30,700-pound (13,925 kilogram) hulk struck the
lunar surface at 5,600 miles per hour (2.5 kilometers per second) some
74 miles (119 kilometers) west-northwest of the Apollo 12 landing
site, releasing energy estimated as equivalent to the explosion of 7.7
tons (7,000 kilograms) of TNT.”

“Several spent lunar module ascent stages and Saturn V S-IVB stages
used in the Apollo missions were deliberately sent to impact the
surface in order to test the effects of these artificial "meteorite"
impacts on the seismometers. In all, four lunar modules and five
Saturn upper stages were directed to the surface.” *And yet never a
public published image of any such horrific impacts as they took
place. *How odd, that we should need to conduct such repetitive
science.

Of somewhat further noteworthy interest: *Within the limited DR of a
Nikon Coolpix 5000, darn if Mars doesn’t outshine our physically dark
as coal Selene/moon (exactly as it should).http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...on_030717.html

For some silly reason, out of all the thousands of unobstructed
orbital obtained images with nothing but the very best of film and
optics, and the same goes for all those tens of thousands of surface
EVA obtained frames by way of all sorts of nifty cameras and video,
that not once was there any hint of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury or
even the extremely vibrant Venus above their physically dark as coal
lunar surface.

Of course by now there are thousands of amateur images, though badly
impaired by way of our polluted and otherwise incoming photon deprived
due to our spectrum filtering atmosphere, that which still managed to
show us our Selene/moon along with those other items as unavoidably
getting into the same FOV(frame of view). *Go far enough south, even
down-under south of our equator and you can’t but help getting a good
side by side perspectives of our moon including Sirius in the same
FOV, and of course from orbiting or walking upon our physically dark
moon is next to impossible to so entirely exclude Sirius and
especially those pesky other planets from a few of those images, but
none the less they had managed to do just that.

Sirius A depicted as sufficiently relative to the brightness and color/
hue of other stars, along with the nearly invisible Sirius B of a
false color, although our extremely nearby Selene/moon as clearly
having to be an overexposed or that of an excess photon saturated
simulation is what forces any computer simulated or composite image of
our moon along with Sirius to look ultra white instead of being nearly
as dark as coal. *Of course our NASA has far better simulators that
would be 100% true and fully capable of giving us a complex simulated
image of our moon along with Sirius within the same FOV.

Here’s a wide field of view depicting *the Visible and X-ray images of
our moon and Sirius in the very same FOV.
*http://www.nmm.ac.uk/rog/2008/02/

Of course most any half-baked orbital simulator easily proves that
from orbiting our moon it would have been technically impossible to
entirely avoid getting Sirius and/or a few other items of planets in
the same FOV as our physically dark as coal moon. *But then I suppose
with “the right stuff” almost anything becomes possible.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Mar 3, 7:51*am, BradGuth wrote: Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?

Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. *In some
instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.

“The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
Administration”
*http://www.climatelaw.org/cases/coun...ase-documents/...

“The human health effects of exposure to pollutant emissions from gas
flares will be localized to the vicinity of such flares. Therefore, it
is important to estimate how much gas each flow station in the Delta
flares. Recent data show that the Kolo Creek and Obama flow stations
in Bayelsa State flare, on average, approximately 800,000 m3/day of
gas” (most of which they’d like nothing better than to simply burn off
in order to prevent catastrophic local fireballs that could otherwise
incinerate most everything in sight).

*“Hence, based on the Canadian data, an 800,000 m3/day sweet gas flare
would elevate ambient air levels of particulate matter by 21 ug/m3 at
a distance of 1,325 meters from such flare, and would elevate ambient
levels of benzene by 2.3 ug/m3.”

Some nations have enforcement of flare gas standards to go by.
*“Burning of gas in fields that produce 150,000 m3 or less per month,
or in fields with a gas-petroleum ratio of less than 20 m3/m3”

In other words, they don’t want to see more flare gas (of primarily
methane) combustion greater than 20 m3 per m3 of extracted oil. *They
even attempt to restrict this incineration gauntlet down to the dull
roar of *“60,000 m3 per month for the pilots of flares on
installations at sea”. * Most oil fields and especially offshore
directly utilize 33% of their vented methane in order to produce a
source of local energy, of which does nothing except pass-through
whatever’s helium. *Therefore, per m3 of extracted oil can contribute
its 1% of 30 m3 of associated methane as raw helium, or 0.3 m3 helium
per m3 of crude oil. *That’s 30% helium per volume of crude oil. *In
trying to remain conservative, we might suggest 20% per volume of
crude as helium.

Of course, most all of this artificially created CO2 via oil flare gas
combustion and of our coal industry ventilation of releasing gas and
toxins, including its raw methane, helium and even freed hydrogen
would not have gone unnoticed by those new and greatly improved
science instruments of our spendy and badly needed OCO mission, that
which rather conveniently failed to get deployed. *What we have got
here is a serious Big Energy butt load of damage-control motives, more
than sufficient opportunities and certainly the wherewithal means by
which to foil or eliminate any such public funded science that might
give the rest of us an honest clue as to what we’re doing to our
environment.

“The Canadian Public Health Association has noted over 250 identified
toxins.”

In addition to the mostly artificial release of helium, there’s also a
fair amount of hydrogen set free, that isn’t otherwise properly stored
or consumed, and always good old SO2, CO2 plus NOx for good measure,
and much of everything else you wouldn’t dare put into your body, plus
a few elements heavy enough (such as radon) that’ll sink to the
surface and/or combine with other perfectly acceptable elements so as
to dilute or cloak there existence (acidic rain being one of the most
common, although others such as benz[a]pyrene and dioxin are certainly
worth noting), many of which would have been OCO remote spectrometer
detected and even rather nicely quantified per better than 3 km2
resolution. *In other words, a large enough cache of Porta-Potties
might have been easily detected and their gas output quantified by
those three bore-sighted high-resolution spectrometers. *In the near
future, instead of extrapolating data from spectrophotometry, with
better instruments based upon the x-ray or gamma spectrometer format
could narrow this resolution detail down to a few m2, thus eliminating
all possible doubt as to where each and every m3 of such gas
contributed elements are coming from. *In other words, a Big Energy
executive couldn’t fart without being detected.

If you don’t want to know about the extensive CO2 contributions, then
by all means don’t go to this next link.

CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENTS PER BARREL OF CRUDE
*https://www.edockets.state.mn.us/EFi...Number=5589092
*336472 kg of CO2 per barrel of extracted crude (excluding methane
combustion) seems a tidbit high, but what hell, it’s only our frail
environment and quality of life we’re trashing. *All we have to do is
adjust ourselves to a future of 1000 ppm(0.1%) CO2 and stop our
incessant whining about acid rain, global warming, or the accelerated
erosion of our precious topsoils, plus the inflationary cost of most
everything that’s becoming spendy as hell.

Paint me silly, but I smell rotten eggs. *Too bad as of 4 decades ago
we didn’t establish our robust platform or gateway/outpost of
sufficient robotic/remote science within the ideal orbital location of
Selene L1, offering the best ever whole Earth observations including
the contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly failing
magnetosphere. *Instead we keep wasting time, resources and our hard
earned loot on LEO limited observations that seldom if ever agree with
one another.

With OCO out of the way, and no real investigation of mission failure
ever taking place, Big Energy can continue to pollute, radiate and
lose tract of as much methane laced with hydrogen and helium as they
like.

Selene L1 would also be a good location to monitor the failing
geomagnetic force and our protective magnetosphere.

Perhaps China or India care enough to matter, because our DARPA and
their puppet NASA obviously do not care.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

So far I haven't found an honest soul in Google Groups (aka Usenet/
newsgroups) that even knows what the Earth-moon L1 (aka Selene L1) is
all about, other than a Borg like swarm mindset that's subjectively
claiming how totally useless and/or worthless it is.

Perhaps it's just little old me that can't accept and let whatever
this kind of mainstream obfuscation has to hide without turning over a
few more rocks.

For one thing, at full moon it's extremely double extra IR toasty hot
and otherwise irradiated to death like hardly any better off than the
worse of whatever our Van Allen badlands has to offer, and otherwise
it's 97+% solar illuminated, leaving 3% of its time available for the
TRACE(e3) as offering a 1000 fold better resolution for looking at
other nearby stars or whatever else makes you a happy camper.

~ BG

Our government and it’s vast civil service army of mainstream
protected brown-nosed clowns (aka Jeff Findley and the like) are once
again big-time obfuscating and lying to us. It’s obviously what they
do best. No freaking wonder they is scared to death about discussing
the use of our Earth-moon L1 (aka Selene L1).

The magnetosphere protects our upper atmosphere, which in turn
protects our frail DNA from cosmic, solar and lunar radiation. The
lower half atmospheric mass of Eden/Earth can be sustained by natural
geological forces and artificial means, that is as long as our core is
alive and getting that extra help from our Selene/moon.

However, the geomagnetic force has a long history of a flip (polar-
reversal) and reset cycle, though each time it gets measurably weaker,
originally worth 10+ VADM (virtual axial dipole moment or +/- cycle),
whereas the most recent flip and subsequent variations got this
magnetic intensity down to a dip of nearly 3. We are currently losing
our polar magnetic force at 0.1%/year, as it shifts and continues to
weaken as an accelerated or compounded rate.

Our Selene/moon is however helping at keeping our geomagnetic force
pumped up, whereas without such a terrific moon, Earth may have become
a larger version of Mars. Our holding onto Selene is worth 2e20 N, or
if you like 55.5e12 kw, and the global flip or reversal cycle is
currently worth roughly 225,000 ~ 250,000 years, although in the past
it has supposedly cycled as often as 100,000 years (for the most part
not related to ice ages and subsequent thaws that are only of a
somewhat recent era).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

"The Earth's magnetic north pole is drifting from northern Canada
towards Siberia with a presently accelerating rate — 10 km per year at
the beginning of the 20th century, up to 40 km per year in 2003.[6] It
is also unknown if this drift will continue to accelerate."

"At present, the overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a
rate which would, if it continues, cause the dipole field to
temporarily collapse by 3000–4000 CE. The South Atlantic Anomaly is
believed by some[who?] to be a product of this. The present strong
deterioration corresponds to a 10–15% decline over the last 150 years
and has accelerated in the past several years; however, geomagnetic
intensity has declined almost continuously from a maximum 35% above
the modern value achieved approximately 2000 years ago."

At a VADM dip of 3, we're in serious cosmic and solar radiation
trouble. At a VADM dip of reaching down to the level of 2 could mean
the start of the end of natural genetic survival above the surface,
especially unfortunate at any time when solar halo CMEs are at their
maximum because that’ll obviously extract the most tonnage of our
atmosphere.

Each cycle on the way down (a process of losing our geomagnetic polar
force that sustains our protective magnetosphere) we unavoidably lose
more and more of our atmosphere (consequently involving an accelerated
loss of mass). The next magnetic reset or flip may not happen for
quite some time (another couple thousand some odd years), and
meanwhile we continue to lose increasing portions of our upper most
atmosphere that's extensively populated by hydrogen and helium.

Eden/Earth is losing at the very least 10 kg/sec of helium, although a
loss of 100 kg/sec is certainly possible. Since nothing binds with
helium, so therefore all helium is eventually lost, along with a
portion of our terrestrial hydrogen that didn't manage to bind with O2
and O3, as such simply isn’t going to stick with us.

The Big-Energy foiled OCO mission would have indirectly given us this
kind of global science, and thus reasonably quantified as to how much
loss in helium and hydrogen is ongoing. The new and greatly improved
Hubble could also accomplish this task, although the Selene/moon L1
location for taking such objective measurements of our entire global
atmospheric environment would have been far superior as of four
decades ago, at a cost of not greater than $50M for that era.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”



On Apr 19, 4:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Perhaps any platform of science instruments and cameras covering
multiple bandpass spectrums from IR to UV, including TRACE and OCO
instrumentation as interactively parked within Selene L1, as intended
for looking back at Earth or forbid that of our physically dark Selene/
moon, as such would only have been too gosh darn informative and
otherwise truth revealing.

“Lunar Smackdown”
*http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exp...Smackdown.html
*Notice how even though equal or far better resolution of the Apollo
era existed, that never once was such a spacecraft or any kind of
associated “smackdown” recorded and published for public review. *It’s
as though our 100% public funded NASA and DARPA were being stingy

“At 8:13 p.m. EST a 217-second S-IVB auxiliary propulsion system burn
aimed the S-IVB for a lunar target point so accurately that another
burn was not required. The S-IVB/IU impacted the lunar surface at 8:10
p.m. EST on April 14 at a speed of 259 meters per second. Impact was
137.1 kilometers from the Apollo 12 seismometer. The seismic signal
generated by the impact lasted 3 hours 20 minutes and was so strong
that a ground command was necessary to reduce seismometer gain and
keep the recording on the scale. The suprathermal ion detector
experiment, also deployed by the Apollo 12 crew, recorded a jump in
the number of ions from zero at the time of impact up to 2,500 shortly
thereafter and then back to a zero count. Scientists theorized that
ionization had been produced by 6,300 K to 10,300 K (6,000 degrees C
to 10,000 degrees C) temperature generated by the impact or that
particles had reached an altitude of 60 kilometers from the lunar
surface and had been ionized by sunlight.”

LCROSS (impactor 901 kg)
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/docs/LCROSS_FS082108.pdf
The Apollo era had multiple items of much greater mass impacting our
moon, many of those having impacted at full velocity of 2.5 km/s, and
yet our supposed “right stuff” never having obtained an image from
nearby orbit or even that via any terrestrial based observations that
should have been way more than sufficient, especially considering
their inert mass and impact velocity.

“Three days later the 30,700-pound (13,925 kilogram) hulk struck the
lunar surface at 5,600 miles per hour (2.5 kilometers per second) some
74 miles (119 kilometers) west-northwest of the Apollo 12 landing
site, releasing energy estimated as equivalent to the explosion of 7.7
tons (7,000 kilograms) of TNT.”

“Several spent lunar module ascent stages and Saturn V S-IVB stages
used in the Apollo missions were deliberately sent to impact the
surface in order to test the effects of these artificial "meteorite"
impacts on the seismometers. In all, four lunar modules and five
Saturn upper stages were directed to the surface.” *And yet never a
public published image of any such horrific impacts as they took
place. *How odd, that we should need to conduct such repetitive
science.

Of somewhat further noteworthy interest: *Within the limited DR of a
Nikon Coolpix 5000, darn if Mars doesn’t outshine our physically dark
as coal Selene/moon (exactly as it should).http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...on_030717.html

For some silly reason, out of all the thousands of unobstructed
orbital obtained images with nothing but the very best of film and
optics, and the same goes for all those tens of thousands of surface
EVA obtained frames by way of all sorts of nifty cameras and video,
that not once was there any hint of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury or
even the extremely vibrant Venus above their physically dark as coal
lunar surface.

Of course by now there are thousands of amateur images, though badly
impaired by way of our polluted and otherwise incoming photon deprived
due to our spectrum filtering atmosphere, that which still managed to
show us our Selene/moon along with those other items as unavoidably
getting into the same FOV(frame of view). *Go far enough south, even
down-under south of our equator and you can’t but help getting a good
side by side perspectives of our moon including Sirius in the same
FOV, and of course from orbiting or walking upon our physically dark
moon is next to impossible to so entirely exclude Sirius and
especially those pesky other planets from a few of those images, but
none the less they had managed to do just that.

Sirius A depicted as sufficiently relative to the brightness and color/
hue of other stars, along with the nearly invisible Sirius B of a
false color, although our extremely nearby Selene/moon as clearly
having to be an overexposed or that of an excess photon saturated
simulation is what forces any computer simulated or composite image of
our moon along with Sirius to look ultra white instead of being nearly
as dark as coal. *Of course our NASA has far better simulators that
would be 100% true and fully capable of giving us a complex simulated
image of our moon along with Sirius within the same FOV.

Here’s a wide field of view depicting *the Visible and X-ray images of
our moon and Sirius in the very same FOV.
*http://www.nmm.ac.uk/rog/2008/02/

Of course most any half-baked orbital simulator easily proves that
from orbiting our moon it would have been technically impossible to
entirely avoid getting Sirius and/or a few other items of planets in
the same FOV as our physically dark as coal moon. *But then I suppose
with “the right stuff” almost anything becomes possible.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Mar 3, 7:51*am, BradGuth wrote: Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?

Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. *In some
instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.

“The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
Administration”
*http://www.climatelaw.org/cases/coun...ase-documents/...

“The human health effects of exposure to pollutant emissions from gas
flares will be localized to the vicinity of such flares. Therefore, it
is important to estimate how much gas each flow station in the Delta
flares. Recent data show that the Kolo Creek and Obama flow stations
in Bayelsa State flare, on average, approximately 800,000 m3/day of
gas” (most of which they’d like nothing better than to simply burn off
in order to prevent catastrophic local fireballs that could otherwise
incinerate most everything in sight).

*“Hence, based on the Canadian data, an 800,000 m3/day sweet gas flare
would elevate ambient air levels of particulate matter by 21 ug/m3 at
a distance of 1,325 meters from such flare, and would elevate ambient
levels of benzene by 2.3 ug/m3.”

Some nations have enforcement of flare gas standards to go by.
*“Burning of gas in fields that produce 150,000 m3 or less per month,
or in fields with a gas-petroleum ratio of less than 20 m3/m3”

In other words, they don’t want to see more flare gas (of primarily
methane) combustion greater than 20 m3 per m3 of extracted oil. *They
even attempt to restrict this incineration gauntlet down to the dull
roar of *“60,000 m3 per month for the pilots of flares on
installations at sea”. * Most oil fields and especially offshore
directly utilize 33% of their vented methane in order to produce a
source of local energy, of which does nothing except pass-through
whatever’s helium. *Therefore, per m3 of extracted oil can contribute
its 1% of 30 m3 of associated methane as raw helium, or 0.3 m3 helium
per m3 of crude oil. *That’s 30% helium per volume of crude oil. *In
trying to remain conservative, we might suggest 20% per volume of
crude as helium.

Of course, most all of this artificially created CO2 via oil flare gas
combustion and of our coal industry ventilation of releasing gas and
toxins, including its raw methane, helium and even freed hydrogen
would not have gone unnoticed by those new and greatly improved
science instruments of our spendy and badly needed OCO mission, that
which rather conveniently failed to get deployed. *What we have got
here is a serious Big Energy butt load of damage-control motives, more
than sufficient opportunities and certainly the wherewithal means by
which to foil or eliminate any such public funded science that might
give the rest of us an honest clue as to what we’re doing to our
environment.

“The Canadian Public Health Association has noted over 250 identified
toxins.”

In addition to the mostly artificial release of helium, there’s also a
fair amount of hydrogen set free, that isn’t otherwise properly stored
or consumed, and always good old SO2, CO2 plus NOx for good measure,
and much of everything else you wouldn’t dare put into your body, plus
a few elements heavy enough (such as radon) that’ll sink to the
surface and/or combine with other perfectly acceptable elements so as
to dilute or cloak there existence (acidic rain being one of the most
common, although others such as benz[a]pyrene and dioxin are certainly
worth noting), many of which would have been OCO remote spectrometer
detected and even rather nicely quantified per better than 3 km2
resolution. *In other words, a large enough cache of Porta-Potties
might have been easily detected and their gas output quantified by
those three bore-sighted high-resolution spectrometers. *In the near
future, instead of extrapolating data from spectrophotometry, with
better instruments based upon the x-ray or gamma spectrometer format
could narrow this resolution detail down to a few m2, thus eliminating
all possible doubt as to where each and every m3 of such gas
contributed elements are coming from. *In other words, a Big Energy
executive couldn’t fart without being detected.

If you don’t want to know about the extensive CO2 contributions, then
by all means don’t go to this next link.

CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENTS PER BARREL OF CRUDE
*https://www.edockets.state.mn.us/EFi...Number=5589092
*336472 kg of CO2 per barrel of extracted crude (excluding methane
combustion) seems a tidbit high, but what hell, it’s only our frail
environment and quality of life we’re trashing. *All we have to do is
adjust ourselves to a future of 1000 ppm(0.1%) CO2 and stop our
incessant whining about acid rain, global warming, or the accelerated
erosion of our precious topsoils, plus the inflationary cost of most
everything that’s becoming spendy as hell.

Paint me silly, but I smell rotten eggs. *Too bad as of 4 decades ago
we didn’t establish our robust remote platform or gateway/outpost of
sufficient robotic/remote science within the ideal orbital location of
Selene L1, offering the best ever whole Earth observations including
those contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly failing
magnetosphere. *Instead we keep wasting time, resources and our hard
earned loot on LEO limited observations that seldom if ever agree with
one another.

*~ BG

Why would a rabbi and a devout Zionist Nazi care whatever I have to
share about our moon's L1 (aka Selene L1)?

~ BG


On Jun 1, 12:02*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Our government and it’s vast civil service army of mainstream
protected brown-nosed clowns (aka Jeff Findley and the like) are once
again big-time obfuscating and lying to us. *It’s obviously what they
do best. *No freaking wonder they is scared to death about discussing
the use of our Earth-moon L1 (aka Selene L1).

The magnetosphere protects our upper atmosphere, which in turn
protects our frail DNA from cosmic, solar and lunar radiation. *The
lower half atmospheric mass of Eden/Earth can be sustained by natural
geological forces and artificial means, that is as long as our core is
alive and getting that extra help from our Selene/moon.

However, the geomagnetic force has a long history of a flip (polar-
reversal) and reset cycle, though each time it gets measurably weaker,
originally worth 10+ VADM (virtual axial dipole moment or +/- cycle),
whereas the most recent flip and subsequent variations got this
magnetic intensity down to a dip of nearly 3. *We are currently losing
our polar magnetic force at 0.1%/year, as it shifts and continues to
weaken as an accelerated or compounded rate.

Our Selene/moon is however helping at keeping our geomagnetic force
pumped up, whereas without such a terrific moon, Earth may have become
a larger version of Mars. *Our holding onto Selene is worth 2e20 N, or
if you like 55.5e12 kw, and the global flip or reversal cycle is
currently worth roughly 225,000 ~ 250,000 years, although in the past
it has supposedly cycled as often as 100,000 years (for the most part
not related to ice ages and subsequent thaws that are only of a
somewhat recent era).
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

"The Earth's magnetic north pole is drifting from northern Canada
towards Siberia with a presently accelerating rate — 10 km per year at
the beginning of the 20th century, up to 40 km per year in 2003.[6] It
is also unknown if this drift will continue to accelerate."

"At present, the overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a
rate which would, if it continues, cause the dipole field to
temporarily collapse by 3000–4000 CE. The South Atlantic Anomaly is
believed by some[who?] to be a product of this. The present strong
deterioration corresponds to a 10–15% decline over the last 150 years
and has accelerated in the past several years; however, geomagnetic
intensity has declined almost continuously from a maximum 35% above
the modern value achieved approximately 2000 years ago."

At a VADM dip of 3, we're in serious cosmic and solar radiation
trouble. *At a VADM dip of reaching down to the level of 2 could mean
the start of the end of natural genetic survival above the surface,
especially unfortunate at any time when solar halo CMEs are at their
maximum because that’ll obviously extract the most tonnage of our
atmosphere.

Each cycle on the way down (a process of losing our geomagnetic polar
force that sustains our protective magnetosphere) we unavoidably lose
more and more of our atmosphere (consequently involving an accelerated
loss of mass). *The next magnetic reset or flip may not happen for
quite some time (another couple thousand some odd years), and
meanwhile we continue to lose increasing portions of our upper most
atmosphere that's extensively populated by hydrogen and helium.

Eden/Earth is losing at the very least 10 kg/sec of helium, although a
loss of 100 kg/sec is certainly possible. *Since nothing binds with
helium, so therefore all helium is eventually lost, along with a
portion of our terrestrial hydrogen that didn't manage to bind with O2
and O3, as such simply isn’t going to stick with us.

The Big-Energy foiled OCO mission would have indirectly given us this
kind of global science, and thus reasonably quantified as to how much
loss in helium and hydrogen is ongoing. *The new and greatly improved
Hubble could also accomplish this task, although the Selene/moon L1
location for taking such objective measurements of our entire global
atmospheric environment would have been far superior as of four
decades ago, at a cost of not greater than $50M for that era.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Apr 19, 4:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps any platform of science instruments and cameras covering
multiple bandpass spectrums from IR to UV, including TRACE and OCO
instrumentation as interactively parked within Selene L1, as intended
for looking back at Earth or forbid that of our physically dark Selene/
moon, as such would only have been too gosh darn informative and
otherwise truth revealing.

“Lunar Smackdown”
*http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exp...Smackdown.html
*Notice how even though equal or far better resolution of the Apollo
era existed, that never once was such a spacecraft or any kind of
associated “smackdown” recorded and published for public review. *It’s
as though our 100% public funded NASA and DARPA were being stingy

“At 8:13 p.m. EST a 217-second S-IVB auxiliary propulsion system burn
aimed the S-IVB for a lunar target point so accurately that another
burn was not required. The S-IVB/IU impacted the lunar surface at 8:10
p.m. EST on April 14 at a speed of 259 meters per second. Impact was
137.1 kilometers from the Apollo 12 seismometer. The seismic signal
generated by the impact lasted 3 hours 20 minutes and was so strong
that a ground command was necessary to reduce seismometer gain and
keep the recording on the scale. The suprathermal ion detector
experiment, also deployed by the Apollo 12 crew, recorded a jump in
the number of ions from zero at the time of impact up to 2,500 shortly
thereafter and then back to a zero count. Scientists theorized that
ionization had been produced by 6,300 K to 10,300 K (6,000 degrees C
to 10,000 degrees C) temperature generated by the impact or that
particles had reached an altitude of 60 kilometers from the lunar
surface and had been ionized by sunlight.”

LCROSS (impactor 901 kg)
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/docs/LCROSS_FS082108.pdf
The Apollo era had multiple items of much greater mass impacting our
moon, many of those having impacted at full velocity of 2.5 km/s, and
yet our supposed “right stuff” never having obtained an image from
nearby orbit or even that via any terrestrial based observations that
should have been way more than sufficient, especially considering
their inert mass and impact velocity.

“Three days later the 30,700-pound (13,925 kilogram) hulk struck the
lunar surface at 5,600 miles per hour (2.5 kilometers per second) some
74 miles (119 kilometers) west-northwest of the Apollo 12 landing
site, releasing energy estimated as equivalent to the explosion of 7.7
tons (7,000 kilograms) of TNT.”

“Several spent lunar module ascent stages and Saturn V S-IVB stages
used in the Apollo missions were deliberately sent to impact the
surface in order to test the effects of these artificial "meteorite"
impacts on the seismometers. In all, four lunar modules and five
Saturn upper stages were directed to the surface.” *And yet never a
public published image of any such horrific impacts as they took
place. *How odd, that we should need to conduct such repetitive
science.

Of somewhat further noteworthy interest: *Within the limited DR of a
Nikon Coolpix 5000, darn if Mars doesn’t outshine our physically dark
as coal Selene/moon (exactly as it should).http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...on_030717.html

For some silly reason, out of all the thousands of unobstructed
orbital obtained images with nothing but the very best of film and
optics, and the same goes for all those tens of thousands of surface
EVA obtained frames by way of all sorts of nifty cameras and video,
that not once was there any hint of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury or
even the extremely vibrant Venus above their physically dark as coal
lunar surface.

Of course by now there are thousands of amateur images, though badly
impaired by way of our polluted and otherwise incoming photon deprived
due to our spectrum filtering atmosphere, that which still managed to
show us our Selene/moon along with those other items as unavoidably
getting into the same FOV(frame of view). *Go far enough south, even
down-under south of our equator and you can’t but help getting a good
side by side perspectives of our moon including Sirius in the same
FOV, and of course from orbiting or walking upon our physically dark
moon is next to impossible to so entirely exclude Sirius and
especially those pesky other planets from a few of those images, but
none the less they had managed to do just that.

Sirius A depicted as sufficiently relative to the brightness and color/
hue of other stars, along with the nearly invisible Sirius B of a
false color, although our extremely nearby Selene/moon as clearly
having to be an overexposed or that of an excess photon saturated
simulation is what forces any computer simulated or composite image of
our moon along with Sirius to look ultra white instead of being nearly
as dark as coal. *Of course our NASA has far better simulators that
would be 100% true and fully capable of giving us a complex simulated
image of our moon along with Sirius within the same FOV.

Here’s a wide field of view depicting *the Visible and X-ray images of
our moon and Sirius in the very same FOV.
*http://www.nmm.ac.uk/rog/2008/02/

Of course most any half-baked orbital simulator easily proves that
from orbiting our moon it would have been technically impossible to
entirely avoid getting Sirius and/or a few other items of planets in
the same FOV as our physically dark as coal moon. *But then I suppose
with “the right stuff” almost anything becomes possible.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Mar 3, 7:51*am, BradGuth wrote: Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?

Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. *In some
instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.

“The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
Administration”
*http://www.climatelaw.org/cases/coun...ase-documents/...

“The human health effects of exposure to pollutant emissions from gas
flares will be localized to the vicinity of such flares. Therefore, it
is important to estimate how much gas each flow station in the Delta
flares. Recent data show that the Kolo Creek and Obama flow stations
in Bayelsa State flare, on average, approximately 800,000 m3/day of
gas” (most of which they’d like nothing better than to simply burn off
in order to prevent catastrophic local fireballs that could otherwise
incinerate most everything in sight).

*“Hence, based on the Canadian data, an 800,000 m3/day sweet gas flare
would elevate ambient air levels of particulate matter by 21 ug/m3 at
a distance of 1,325 meters from such flare, and would elevate ambient
levels of benzene by 2.3 ug/m3.”

Some nations have enforcement of flare gas standards to go by.
*“Burning of gas in fields that produce 150,000 m3 or less per month,
or in fields with a gas-petroleum ratio of less than 20 m3/m3”

In other words, they don’t want to see more flare gas (of primarily
methane) combustion greater than 20 m3 per m3 of extracted oil. *They
even attempt to restrict this incineration gauntlet down to the dull
roar of *“60,000 m3 per month for the pilots of flares on
installations at sea”. * Most oil fields and especially offshore
directly utilize 33% of their vented methane in order to produce a
source of local energy, of which does nothing except pass-through
whatever’s helium. *Therefore, per m3 of extracted oil can contribute
its 1% of 30 m3 of associated methane as raw helium, or 0.3 m3 helium
per m3 of crude oil. *That’s 30% helium per volume of crude oil. *In
trying to remain conservative, we might suggest 20% per volume of
crude as helium.

Of course, most all of this artificially created CO2 via oil flare gas
combustion and of our coal industry ventilation of releasing gas and
toxins, including its raw methane, helium and even freed hydrogen
would not have gone unnoticed by those new and greatly improved
science instruments of our spendy and badly needed OCO mission, that
which rather conveniently failed to get deployed. *What we have got
here is a serious Big Energy butt load of damage-control motives, more
than sufficient opportunities and certainly the wherewithal means by
which to foil or eliminate any such public funded science that might
give the rest of us an honest clue as to what we’re doing to our
environment.

“The Canadian Public Health Association has noted over 250 identified
toxins.”

In addition to the mostly artificial release of helium, there’s also a
fair amount of hydrogen set free, that isn’t otherwise properly stored
or consumed, and always good old SO2, CO2 plus NOx for good measure,
and much of everything else you wouldn’t dare put into your body, plus
a few elements heavy enough (such as radon) that’ll sink to the
surface and/or combine with other perfectly acceptable elements so as
to dilute or cloak there existence (acidic rain being one of the most
common, although others such as benz[a]pyrene and dioxin are certainly
worth noting), many of which would have been OCO remote spectrometer
detected and even rather nicely quantified per better than 3 km2
resolution. *In other words, a large enough cache of Porta-Potties
might have been easily detected and their gas output quantified by
those three bore-sighted high-resolution spectrometers. *In the near
future, instead of extrapolating data from spectrophotometry, with
better instruments based upon the x-ray or gamma spectrometer format
could narrow this resolution detail down to a few m2, thus eliminating
all possible doubt as to where each and every m3 of such gas
contributed elements are coming from. *In other words, a Big Energy
executive couldn’t fart without being detected.

If you don’t want to know about the extensive CO2 contributions, then
by all means don’t go to this next link.

CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENTS PER BARREL OF CRUDE
*https://www.edockets.state.mn.us/EFi...Number=5589092
*336472 kg of CO2 per barrel of extracted crude (excluding methane
combustion) seems a tidbit high, but what hell, it’s only our frail
environment and quality of life we’re trashing. *All we have to do is
adjust ourselves to a future of 1000 ppm(0.1%) CO2 and stop our
incessant whining about acid rain, global warming, or the accelerated
erosion of our precious topsoils, plus the inflationary cost of most
everything that’s becoming spendy as hell.

Paint me silly, but I smell rotten eggs. *Too bad as of 4 decades ago
we didn’t establish our robust remote platform or gateway/outpost of
sufficient robotic/remote science within the ideal orbital location of
Selene L1, offering the best ever whole Earth observations including
those contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly failing
magnetosphere. *Instead we keep wasting time, resources and our hard
earned loot on LEO limited observations that seldom if ever agree with
one another.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
~ http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en

I can see clearly now, but then so can ETs half as smart see even
better

If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same as our moon), then perhaps going further out is the
only option for this paranoid Usenet/newsgroup that so fears revision
of any kind.

HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system. Imagine if
such telescopes were in orbit, whereas instead of just obtaining those
deep IR detections of worthy exoplanets, whereas those better equipped
ETs could go for a visual and even the far better UV look-see at us.

Too bad we can not manage to place a pair of super-sized telescopes in
LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1 and perhaps
Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass would make
hardly any difference. Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which could give
us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus superior dynamic
range of our own sun would have been a nice thing as of a decade ago.
Deploying a TRACE(e3) with sufficient DR(dynamic range) for looking
directly at the Sirius star/solar system should by now be possible,
and we might even discover Sirius C as well as the original molecular
cloud which gave such recent birth to Sirius, and can't be too far
off.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


On Jun 1, 12:02*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Our government and it’s vast civil service army of mainstream
protected brown-nosed clowns (aka Jeff Findley and the like) are once
again big-time obfuscating and lying to us. *It’s obviously what they
do best. *No freaking wonder they is scared to death about discussing
the use of our Earth-moon L1 (aka Selene L1).

The magnetosphere protects our upper atmosphere, which in turn
protects our frail DNA from cosmic, solar and lunar radiation. *The
lower half atmospheric mass of Eden/Earth can be sustained by natural
geological forces and artificial means, that is as long as our core is
alive and getting that extra help from our Selene/moon.

However, the geomagnetic force has a long history of a flip (polar-
reversal) and reset cycle, though each time it gets measurably weaker,
originally worth 10+ VADM (virtual axial dipole moment or +/- cycle),
whereas the most recent flip and subsequent variations got this
magnetic intensity down to a dip of nearly 3. *We are currently losing
our polar magnetic force at 0.1%/year, as it shifts and continues to
weaken as an accelerated or compounded rate.

Our Selene/moon is however helping at keeping our geomagnetic force
pumped up, whereas without such a terrific moon, Earth may have become
a larger version of Mars. *Our holding onto Selene is worth 2e20 N, or
if you like 55.5e12 kw, and the global flip or reversal cycle is
currently worth roughly 225,000 ~ 250,000 years, although in the past
it has supposedly cycled as often as 100,000 years (for the most part
not related to ice ages and subsequent thaws that are only of a
somewhat recent era).
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

"The Earth's magnetic north pole is drifting from northern Canada
towards Siberia with a presently accelerating rate — 10 km per year at
the beginning of the 20th century, up to 40 km per year in 2003.[6] It
is also unknown if this drift will continue to accelerate."

"At present, the overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a
rate which would, if it continues, cause the dipole field to
temporarily collapse by 3000–4000 CE. The South Atlantic Anomaly is
believed by some[who?] to be a product of this. The present strong
deterioration corresponds to a 10–15% decline over the last 150 years
and has accelerated in the past several years; however, geomagnetic
intensity has declined almost continuously from a maximum 35% above
the modern value achieved approximately 2000 years ago."

At a VADM dip of 3, we're in serious cosmic and solar radiation
trouble. *At a VADM dip of reaching down to the level of 2 could mean
the start of the end of natural genetic survival above the surface,
especially unfortunate at any time when solar halo CMEs are at their
maximum because that’ll obviously extract the most tonnage of our
atmosphere.

Each cycle on the way down (a process of losing our geomagnetic polar
force that sustains our protective magnetosphere) we unavoidably lose
more and more of our atmosphere (consequently involving an accelerated
loss of mass). *The next magnetic reset or flip may not happen for
quite some time (another couple thousand some odd years), and
meanwhile we continue to lose increasing portions of our upper most
atmosphere that's extensively populated by hydrogen and helium.

Eden/Earth is losing at the very least 10 kg/sec of helium, although a
loss of 100 kg/sec is certainly possible. *Since nothing binds with
helium, so therefore all helium is eventually lost, along with a
portion of our terrestrial hydrogen that didn't manage to bind with O2
and O3, as such simply isn’t going to stick with us.

The Big-Energy foiled OCO mission would have indirectly given us this
kind of global science, and thus reasonably quantified as to how much
loss in helium and hydrogen is ongoing. *The new and greatly improved
Hubble could also accomplish this task, although the Selene/moon L1
location for taking such objective measurements of our entire global
atmospheric environment would have been far superior as of four
decades ago, at a cost of not greater than $50M for that era.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Apr 19, 4:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps any platform of science instruments and cameras covering
multiple bandpass spectrums from IR to UV, including TRACE and OCO
instrumentation as interactively parked within Selene L1, as intended
for looking back at Earth or forbid that of our physically dark Selene/
moon, as such would only have been too gosh darn informative and
otherwise truth revealing.

“Lunar Smackdown”
*http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exp...Smackdown.html
*Notice how even though equal or far better resolution of the Apollo
era existed, that never once was such a spacecraft or any kind of
associated “smackdown” recorded and published for public review. *It’s
as though our 100% public funded NASA and DARPA were being stingy

“At 8:13 p.m. EST a 217-second S-IVB auxiliary propulsion system burn
aimed the S-IVB for a lunar target point so accurately that another
burn was not required. The S-IVB/IU impacted the lunar surface at 8:10
p.m. EST on April 14 at a speed of 259 meters per second. Impact was
137.1 kilometers from the Apollo 12 seismometer. The seismic signal
generated by the impact lasted 3 hours 20 minutes and was so strong
that a ground command was necessary to reduce seismometer gain and
keep the recording on the scale. The suprathermal ion detector
experiment, also deployed by the Apollo 12 crew, recorded a jump in
the number of ions from zero at the time of impact up to 2,500 shortly
thereafter and then back to a zero count. Scientists theorized that
ionization had been produced by 6,300 K to 10,300 K (6,000 degrees C
to 10,000 degrees C) temperature generated by the impact or that
particles had reached an altitude of 60 kilometers from the lunar
surface and had been ionized by sunlight.”

LCROSS (impactor 901 kg)
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/docs/LCROSS_FS082108.pdf
The Apollo era had multiple items of much greater mass impacting our
moon, many of those having impacted at full velocity of 2.5 km/s, and
yet our supposed “right stuff” never having obtained an image from
nearby orbit or even that via any terrestrial based observations that
should have been way more than sufficient, especially considering
their inert mass and impact velocity.

“Three days later the 30,700-pound (13,925 kilogram) hulk struck the
lunar surface at 5,600 miles per hour (2.5 kilometers per second) some
74 miles (119 kilometers) west-northwest of the Apollo 12 landing
site, releasing energy estimated as equivalent to the explosion of 7.7
tons (7,000 kilograms) of TNT.”

“Several spent lunar module ascent stages and Saturn V S-IVB stages
used in the Apollo missions were deliberately sent to impact the
surface in order to test the effects of these artificial "meteorite"
impacts on the seismometers. In all, four lunar modules and five
Saturn upper stages were directed to the surface.” *And yet never a
public published image of any such horrific impacts as they took
place. *How odd, that we should need to conduct such repetitive
science.

Of somewhat further noteworthy interest: *Within the limited DR of a
Nikon Coolpix 5000, darn if Mars doesn’t outshine our physically dark
as coal Selene/moon (exactly as it should).http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...on_030717.html

For some silly reason, out of all the thousands of unobstructed
orbital obtained images with nothing but the very best of film and
optics, and the same goes for all those tens of thousands of surface
EVA obtained frames by way of all sorts of nifty cameras and video,
that not once was there any hint of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury or
even the extremely vibrant Venus above their physically dark as coal
lunar surface.

Of course by now there are thousands of amateur images, though badly
impaired by way of our polluted and otherwise incoming photon deprived
due to our spectrum filtering atmosphere, that which still managed to
show us our Selene/moon along with those other items as unavoidably
getting into the same FOV(frame of view). *Go far enough south, even
down-under south of our equator and you can’t but help getting a good
side by side perspectives of our moon including Sirius in the same
FOV, and of course from orbiting or walking upon our physically dark
moon is next to impossible to so entirely exclude Sirius and
especially those pesky other planets from a few of those images, but
none the less they had managed to do just that.

Sirius A depicted as sufficiently relative to the brightness and color/
hue of other stars, along with the nearly invisible Sirius B of a
false color, although our extremely nearby Selene/moon as clearly
having to be an overexposed or that of an excess photon saturated
simulation is what forces any computer simulated or composite image of
our moon along with Sirius to look ultra white instead of being nearly
as dark as coal. *Of course our NASA has far better simulators that
would be 100% true and fully capable of giving us a complex simulated
image of our moon along with Sirius within the same FOV.

Here’s a wide field of view depicting *the Visible and X-ray images of
our moon and Sirius in the very same FOV.
*http://www.nmm.ac.uk/rog/2008/02/

Of course most any half-baked orbital simulator easily proves that
from orbiting our moon it would have been technically impossible to
entirely avoid getting Sirius and/or a few other items of planets in
the same FOV as our physically dark as coal moon. *But then I suppose
with “the right stuff” almost anything becomes possible.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Mar 3, 7:51*am, BradGuth wrote: Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?

Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. *In some
instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.

“The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
Administration”
*http://www.climatelaw.org/cases/coun...ase-documents/...

“The human health effects of exposure to pollutant emissions from gas
flares will be localized to the vicinity of such flares. Therefore, it
is important to estimate how much gas each flow station in the Delta
flares. Recent data show that the Kolo Creek and Obama flow stations
in Bayelsa State flare, on average, approximately 800,000 m3/day of
gas” (most of which they’d like nothing better than to simply burn off
in order to prevent catastrophic local fireballs that could otherwise
incinerate most everything in sight).

*“Hence, based on the Canadian data, an 800,000 m3/day sweet gas flare
would elevate ambient air levels of particulate matter by 21 ug/m3 at
a distance of 1,325 meters from such flare, and would elevate ambient
levels of benzene by 2.3 ug/m3.”

Some nations have enforcement of flare gas standards to go by.
*“Burning of gas in fields that produce 150,000 m3 or less per month,
or in fields with a gas-petroleum ratio of less than 20 m3/m3”

In other words, they don’t want to see more flare gas (of primarily
methane) combustion greater than 20 m3 per m3 of extracted oil. *They
even attempt to restrict this incineration gauntlet down to the dull
roar of *“60,000 m3 per month for the pilots of flares on
installations at sea”. * Most oil fields and especially offshore
directly utilize 33% of their vented methane in order to produce a
source of local energy, of which does nothing except pass-through
whatever’s helium. *Therefore, per m3 of extracted oil can contribute
its 1% of 30 m3 of associated methane as raw helium, or 0.3 m3 helium
per m3 of crude oil. *That’s 30% helium per volume of crude oil. *In
trying to remain conservative, we might suggest 20% per volume of
crude as helium.

Of course, most all of this artificially created CO2 via oil flare gas
combustion and of our coal industry ventilation of releasing gas and
toxins, including its raw methane, helium and even freed hydrogen
would not have gone unnoticed by those new and greatly improved
science instruments of our spendy and badly needed OCO mission, that
which rather conveniently failed to get deployed. *What we have got
here is a serious Big Energy butt load of damage-control motives, more
than sufficient opportunities and certainly the wherewithal means by
which to foil or eliminate any such public funded science that might
give the rest of us an honest clue as to what we’re doing to our
environment.

“The Canadian Public Health Association has noted over 250 identified
toxins.”

In addition to the mostly artificial release of helium, there’s also a
fair amount of hydrogen set free, that isn’t otherwise properly stored
or consumed, and always good old SO2, CO2 plus NOx for good measure,
and much of everything else you wouldn’t dare put into your body, plus
a few elements heavy enough (such as radon) that’ll sink to the
surface and/or combine with other perfectly acceptable elements so as
to dilute or cloak there existence (acidic rain being one of the most
common, although others such as benz[a]pyrene and dioxin are certainly
worth noting), many of which would have been OCO remote spectrometer
detected and even rather nicely quantified per better than 3 km2
resolution. *In other words, a large enough cache of Porta-Potties
might have been easily detected and their gas output quantified by
those three bore-sighted high-resolution spectrometers. *In the near
future, instead of extrapolating data from spectrophotometry, with
better instruments based upon the x-ray or gamma spectrometer format
could narrow this resolution detail down to a few m2, thus eliminating
all possible doubt as to where each and every m3 of such gas
contributed elements are coming from. *In other words, a Big Energy
executive couldn’t fart without being detected.

If you don’t want to know about the extensive CO2 contributions, then
by all means don’t go to this next link.

CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENTS PER BARREL OF CRUDE
*https://www.edockets.state.mn.us/EFi...Number=5589092
*336472 kg of CO2 per barrel of extracted crude (excluding methane
combustion) seems a tidbit high, but what hell, it’s only our frail
environment and quality of life we’re trashing. *All we have to do is
adjust ourselves to a future of 1000 ppm(0.1%) CO2 and stop our
incessant whining about acid rain, global warming, or the accelerated
erosion of our precious topsoils, plus the inflationary cost of most
everything that’s becoming spendy as hell.

Paint me silly, but I smell rotten eggs. *Too bad as of 4 decades ago
we didn’t establish our robust remote platform or gateway/outpost of
sufficient robotic/remote science within the ideal orbital location of
Selene L1, offering the best ever whole Earth observations including
those contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly failing
magnetosphere. *Instead we keep wasting time, resources and our hard
earned loot on LEO limited observations that seldom if ever agree with
one another.
~ BG

I can see clearly now, but then so can ETs half as smart see even
better, so why bother with a 100 meter array of broad spectrum
adaptive optics situated within Selene L1?

If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same taboo/banishment as for our moon or its L1), then
perhaps going further out is the only viable option for this paranoid
Usenet/newsgroup that so fears anything new or much less revision of
any kind.

HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system as exoplanet
populated. However, imagine if such telescopes were in orbit, whereas
instead of just obtaining those deep IR detections of worthy
exoplanets, where those better equipped ETs could go for a visual and
even the far better UV look-see at us.

Too bad we still can not manage to place a pair of super-sized
telescopes in LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1
and perhaps Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass
would make hardly any difference. Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which
could give us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus
superior dynamic range of our own sun would have been a nice thing as
of a decade ago. Deploying a TRACE(e3) with 1000x plus sufficient DR
(dynamic range) for looking directly at the Sirius star/solar system
should by now have been possible, whereas we might even discover
Sirius C as a brown dwarf or that of an extremely small black hole, as
well as detecting the original molecular cloud which gave such a
recent and aggressive stellar birth, that can't be any too far off
considering how recently everything evolved.

The vast majority of exoplanet worlds as those associated with HR 8799
may be inhospitable to naked humans for any number of reasons, but
just imagine what happened within our Eden environment of this most
recent cosmic era, while the impressive Sirius solar system was
getting created from such a massive molecular cloud of perhaps
120,000 solar masses (or was it another galactic black hole merging
kind of thing), as for Sirius B having so vibrantly evolved itself so
quickly into becoming the red supergiant and then suddenly becoming
the little white dwarf, is what must have been every bit as good as
our having a second sun, and it gets especially interesting if we’re
still making our trinary orbit about the Sirius barycenter every 100
thousand years. But then it seems we can’t honestly discuss
intelligent other life, no matters how probable or technology
assisted, without every topic attracting those brown-nosed clowns like
another swarm of killer bees.


On Jun 1, 12:02*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Our government and it’s vast civil service army of mainstream
protected brown-nosed clowns (aka Jeff Findley and the like) are once
again big-time obfuscating and lying to us. *It’s obviously what they
do best. *No freaking wonder they is scared to death about discussing
the use of our Earth-moon L1 (aka Selene L1).

The magnetosphere protects our upper atmosphere, which in turn
protects our frail DNA from cosmic, solar and lunar radiation. *The
lower half atmospheric mass of Eden/Earth can be sustained by natural
geological forces and artificial means, that is as long as our core is
alive and getting that extra help from our Selene/moon.

However, the geomagnetic force has a long history of a flip (polar-
reversal) and reset cycle, though each time it gets measurably weaker,
originally worth 10+ VADM (virtual axial dipole moment or +/- cycle),
whereas the most recent flip and subsequent variations got this
magnetic intensity down to a dip of nearly 3. *We are currently losing
our polar magnetic force at 0.1%/year, as it shifts and continues to
weaken as an accelerated or compounded rate.

Our Selene/moon is however helping at keeping our geomagnetic force
pumped up, whereas without such a terrific moon, Earth may have become
a larger version of Mars. *Our holding onto Selene is worth 2e20 N, or
if you like 55.5e12 kw, and the global flip or reversal cycle is
currently worth roughly 225,000 ~ 250,000 years, although in the past
it has supposedly cycled as often as 100,000 years (for the most part
not related to ice ages and subsequent thaws that are only of a
somewhat recent era).
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

"The Earth's magnetic north pole is drifting from northern Canada
towards Siberia with a presently accelerating rate — 10 km per year at
the beginning of the 20th century, up to 40 km per year in 2003.[6] It
is also unknown if this drift will continue to accelerate."

"At present, the overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a
rate which would, if it continues, cause the dipole field to
temporarily collapse by 3000–4000 CE. The South Atlantic Anomaly is
believed by some[who?] to be a product of this. The present strong
deterioration corresponds to a 10–15% decline over the last 150 years
and has accelerated in the past several years; however, geomagnetic
intensity has declined almost continuously from a maximum 35% above
the modern value achieved approximately 2000 years ago."

At a VADM dip of 3, we're in serious cosmic and solar radiation
trouble. *At a VADM dip of reaching down to the level of 2 could mean
the start of the end of natural genetic survival above the surface,
especially unfortunate at any time when solar halo CMEs are at their
maximum because that’ll obviously extract the most tonnage of our
atmosphere.

Each cycle on the way down (a process of losing our geomagnetic polar
force that sustains our protective magnetosphere) we unavoidably lose
more and more of our atmosphere (consequently involving an accelerated
loss of mass). *The next magnetic reset or flip may not happen for
quite some time (another couple thousand some odd years), and
meanwhile we continue to lose increasing portions of our upper most
atmosphere that's extensively populated by hydrogen and helium.

Eden/Earth is losing at the very least 10 kg/sec of helium, although a
loss of 100 kg/sec is certainly possible. *Since nothing binds with
helium, so therefore all helium is eventually lost, along with a
portion of our terrestrial hydrogen that didn't manage to bind with O2
and O3, as such simply isn’t going to stick with us.

The Big-Energy foiled OCO mission would have indirectly given us this
kind of global science, and thus reasonably quantified as to how much
loss in helium and hydrogen is ongoing. *The new and greatly improved
Hubble could also accomplish this task, although the Selene/moon L1
location for taking such objective measurements of our entire global
atmospheric environment would have been far superior as of four
decades ago, at a cost of not greater than $50M for that era.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Apr 19, 4:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps any platform of science instruments and cameras covering
multiple bandpass spectrums from IR to UV, including TRACE and OCO
instrumentation as interactively parked within Selene L1, as intended
for looking back at Earth or forbid that of our physically dark Selene/
moon, as such would only have been too gosh darn informative and
otherwise truth revealing.

“Lunar Smackdown”
*http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exp...Smackdown.html
*Notice how even though equal or far better resolution of the Apollo
era existed, that never once was such a spacecraft or any kind of
associated “smackdown” recorded and published for public review. *It’s
as though our 100% public funded NASA and DARPA were being stingy

“At 8:13 p.m. EST a 217-second S-IVB auxiliary propulsion system burn
aimed the S-IVB for a lunar target point so accurately that another
burn was not required. The S-IVB/IU impacted the lunar surface at 8:10
p.m. EST on April 14 at a speed of 259 meters per second. Impact was
137.1 kilometers from the Apollo 12 seismometer. The seismic signal
generated by the impact lasted 3 hours 20 minutes and was so strong
that a ground command was necessary to reduce seismometer gain and
keep the recording on the scale. The suprathermal ion detector
experiment, also deployed by the Apollo 12 crew, recorded a jump in
the number of ions from zero at the time of impact up to 2,500 shortly
thereafter and then back to a zero count. Scientists theorized that
ionization had been produced by 6,300 K to 10,300 K (6,000 degrees C
to 10,000 degrees C) temperature generated by the impact or that
particles had reached an altitude of 60 kilometers from the lunar
surface and had been ionized by sunlight.”

LCROSS (impactor 901 kg)
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm
*http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/docs/LCROSS_FS082108.pdf
The Apollo era had multiple items of much greater mass impacting our
moon, many of those having impacted at full velocity of 2.5 km/s, and
yet our supposed “right stuff” never having obtained an image from
nearby orbit or even that via any terrestrial based observations that
should have been way more than sufficient, especially considering
their inert mass and impact velocity.

“Three days later the 30,700-pound (13,925 kilogram) hulk struck the
lunar surface at 5,600 miles per hour (2.5 kilometers per second) some
74 miles (119 kilometers) west-northwest of the Apollo 12 landing
site, releasing energy estimated as equivalent to the explosion of 7.7
tons (7,000 kilograms) of TNT.”

“Several spent lunar module ascent stages and Saturn V S-IVB stages
used in the Apollo missions were deliberately sent to impact the
surface in order to test the effects of these artificial "meteorite"
impacts on the seismometers. In all, four lunar modules and five
Saturn upper stages were directed to the surface.” *And yet never a
public published image of any such horrific impacts as they took
place. *How odd, that we should need to conduct such repetitive
science.

Of somewhat further noteworthy interest: *Within the limited DR of a
Nikon Coolpix 5000, darn if Mars doesn’t outshine our physically dark
as coal Selene/moon (exactly as it should).http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...on_030717.html

For some silly reason, out of all the thousands of unobstructed
orbital obtained images with nothing but the very best of film and
optics, and the same goes for all those tens of thousands of surface
EVA obtained frames by way of all sorts of nifty cameras and video,
that not once was there any hint of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury or
even the extremely vibrant Venus above their physically dark as coal
lunar surface.

Of course by now there are thousands of amateur images, though badly
impaired by way of our polluted and otherwise incoming photon deprived
due to our spectrum filtering atmosphere, that which still managed to
show us our Selene/moon along with those other items as unavoidably
getting into the same FOV(frame of view). *Go far enough south, even
down-under south of our equator and you can’t but help getting a good
side by side perspectives of our moon including Sirius in the same
FOV, and of course from orbiting or walking upon our physically dark
moon is next to impossible to so entirely exclude Sirius and
especially those pesky other planets from a few of those images, but
none the less they had managed to do just that.

Sirius A depicted as sufficiently relative to the brightness and color/
hue of other stars, along with the nearly invisible Sirius B of a
false color, although our extremely nearby Selene/moon as clearly
having to be an overexposed or that of an excess photon saturated
simulation is what forces any computer simulated or composite image of
our moon along with Sirius to look ultra white instead of being nearly
as dark as coal. *Of course our NASA has far better simulators that
would be 100% true and fully capable of giving us a complex simulated
image of our moon along with Sirius within the same FOV.

Here’s a wide field of view depicting *the Visible and X-ray images of
our moon and Sirius in the very same FOV.
*http://www.nmm.ac.uk/rog/2008/02/

Of course most any half-baked orbital simulator easily proves that
from orbiting our moon it would have been technically impossible to
entirely avoid getting Sirius and/or a few other items of planets in
the same FOV as our physically dark as coal moon. *But then I suppose
with “the right stuff” almost anything becomes possible.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Mar 3, 7:51*am, BradGuth wrote: Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?

Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. *In some
instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.

“The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
Administration”
*http://www.climatelaw.org/cases/coun...ase-documents/...

“The human health effects of exposure to pollutant emissions from gas
flares will be localized to the vicinity of such flares. Therefore, it
is important to estimate how much gas each flow station in the Delta
flares. Recent data show that the Kolo Creek and Obama flow stations
in Bayelsa State flare, on average, approximately 800,000 m3/day of
gas” (most of which they’d like nothing better than to simply burn off
in order to prevent catastrophic local fireballs that could otherwise
incinerate most everything in sight).

*“Hence, based on the Canadian data, an 800,000 m3/day sweet gas flare
would elevate ambient air levels of particulate matter by 21 ug/m3 at
a distance of 1,325 meters from such flare, and would elevate ambient
levels of benzene by 2.3 ug/m3.”

Some nations have enforcement of flare gas standards to go by.
*“Burning of gas in fields that produce 150,000 m3 or less per month,
or in fields with a gas-petroleum ratio of less than 20 m3/m3”

In other words, they don’t want to see more flare gas (of primarily
methane) combustion greater than 20 m3 per m3 of extracted oil. *They
even attempt to restrict this incineration gauntlet down to the dull
roar of *“60,000 m3 per month for the pilots of flares on
installations at sea”. * Most oil fields and especially offshore
directly utilize 33% of their vented methane in order to produce a
source of local energy, of which does nothing except pass-through
whatever’s helium. *Therefore, per m3 of extracted oil can contribute
its 1% of 30 m3 of associated methane as raw helium, or 0.3 m3 helium
per m3 of crude oil. *That’s 30% helium per volume of crude oil. *In
trying to remain conservative, we might suggest 20% per volume of
crude as helium.

Of course, most all of this artificially created CO2 via oil flare gas
combustion and of our coal industry ventilation of releasing gas and
toxins, including its raw methane, helium and even freed hydrogen
would not have gone unnoticed by those new and greatly improved
science instruments of our spendy and badly needed OCO mission, that
which rather conveniently failed to get deployed. *What we have got
here is a serious Big Energy butt load of damage-control motives, more
than sufficient opportunities and certainly the wherewithal means by
which to foil or eliminate any such public funded science that might
give the rest of us an honest clue as to what we’re doing to our
environment.

“The Canadian Public Health Association has noted over 250 identified
toxins.”

In addition to the mostly artificial release of helium, there’s also a
fair amount of hydrogen set free, that isn’t otherwise properly stored
or consumed, and always good old SO2, CO2 plus NOx for good measure,
and much of everything else you wouldn’t dare put into your body, plus
a few elements heavy enough (such as radon) that’ll sink to the
surface and/or combine with other perfectly acceptable elements so as
to dilute or cloak there existence (acidic rain being one of the most
common, although others such as benz[a]pyrene and dioxin are certainly
worth noting), many of which would have been OCO remote spectrometer
detected and even rather nicely quantified per better than 3 km2
resolution. *In other words, a large enough cache of Porta-Potties
might have been easily detected and their gas output quantified by
those three bore-sighted high-resolution spectrometers. *In the near
future, instead of extrapolating data from spectrophotometry, with
better instruments based upon the x-ray or gamma spectrometer format
could narrow this resolution detail down to a few m2, thus eliminating
all possible doubt as to where each and every m3 of such gas
contributed elements are coming from. *In other words, a Big Energy
executive couldn’t fart without being detected.

If you don’t want to know about the extensive CO2 contributions, then
by all means don’t go to this next link.

CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENTS PER BARREL OF CRUDE
*https://www.edockets.state.mn.us/EFi...Number=5589092
*336472 kg of CO2 per barrel of extracted crude (excluding methane
combustion) seems a tidbit high, but what hell, it’s only our frail
environment and quality of life we’re trashing. *All we have to do is
adjust ourselves to a future of 1000 ppm(0.1%) CO2 and stop our
incessant whining about acid rain, global warming, or the accelerated
erosion of our precious topsoils, plus the inflationary cost of most
everything that’s becoming spendy as hell.

Paint me silly, but I smell rotten eggs. *Too bad as of 4 decades ago
we didn’t establish our robust remote platform or gateway/outpost of
sufficient robotic/remote science within the ideal orbital location of
Selene L1, offering the best ever whole Earth observations including
those contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly failing
magnetosphere. *Instead we keep wasting time, resources and our hard
earned loot on LEO limited observations that seldom if ever agree with
one another.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jun 5, 11:31*am, BradGuth wrote:
I can see clearly now, but then so can ETs half as smart see even
better, so why bother with a 100 meter array of broad spectrum
adaptive optics situated within Selene L1?

If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same taboo/banishment as for our moon or its L1), then
perhaps going further out is the only viable option for this paranoid
Usenet/newsgroup that so fears anything new or much less revision of
any kind.

HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system as exoplanet
populated. *However, imagine if such telescopes were in orbit, whereas
instead of just obtaining those deep IR detections of worthy
exoplanets, where those better equipped ETs could go for a visual and
even the far better UV look-see at us.

Too bad we still can not manage to place a pair of super-sized
telescopes in LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1
and perhaps Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass
would make hardly any difference. *Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which
could give us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus
superior dynamic range of our own sun would have been a nice thing as
of a decade ago. *Deploying a TRACE(e3) with 1000x plus sufficient DR
(dynamic range) for looking directly at the Sirius star/solar system
should by now have been possible, whereas we might even discover
Sirius C as a brown dwarf or that of an extremely small black hole, as
well as detecting the original molecular cloud which gave such a
recent and aggressive stellar birth, that can't be any too far off
considering how recently everything evolved.

The vast majority of exoplanet worlds as those associated with HR 8799
may be inhospitable to naked humans for any number of reasons, but
just imagine what happened within our Eden environment of this most
recent cosmic era, while the impressive Sirius solar system was
getting created from such a massive molecular cloud of *perhaps
120,000 solar masses (or was it another galactic black hole merging
kind of thing), as for Sirius B having so vibrantly evolved itself so
quickly into becoming the red supergiant and then suddenly becoming
the little white dwarf, is what must have been every bit as good as
our having a second sun, and it gets especially interesting if we’re
still making our trinary orbit about the Sirius barycenter every 100
thousand years. *But then it seems we can’t honestly discuss
intelligent other life, no matters how probable or technology
assisted, without every topic attracting those brown-nosed clowns like
another swarm of killer bees.

Where's all the expertise, other than brown-nosed clowns?

~ BG

On Jun 1, 12:02*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Our government and it’s vast civil service army of mainstream
protected brown-nosed clowns (aka Jeff Findley and the like) are once
again big-time obfuscating and lying to us. *It’s obviously what they
do best. *No freaking wonder they is scared to death about discussing
the use of our Earth-moon L1 (aka Selene L1).

The magnetosphere protects our upper atmosphere, which in turn
protects our frail DNA from cosmic, solar and lunar radiation. *The
lower half atmospheric mass of Eden/Earth can be sustained by natural
geological forces and artificial means, that is as long as our core is
alive and getting that extra help from our Selene/moon.

However, the geomagnetic force has a long history of a flip (polar-
reversal) and reset cycle, though each time it gets measurably weaker,
originally worth 10+ VADM (virtual axial dipole moment or +/- cycle),
whereas the most recent flip and subsequent variations got this
magnetic intensity down to a dip of nearly 3. *We are currently losing
our polar magnetic force at 0.1%/year, as it shifts and continues to
weaken as an accelerated or compounded rate.

Our Selene/moon is however helping at keeping our geomagnetic force
pumped up, whereas without such a terrific moon, Earth may have become
a larger version of Mars. *Our holding onto Selene is worth 2e20 N, or
if you like 55.5e12 kw, and the global flip or reversal cycle is
currently worth roughly 225,000 ~ 250,000 years, although in the past
it has supposedly cycled as often as 100,000 years (for the most part
not related to ice ages and subsequent thaws that are only of a
somewhat recent era).
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

"The Earth's magnetic north pole is drifting from northern Canada
towards Siberia with a presently accelerating rate — 10 km per year at
the beginning of the 20th century, up to 40 km per year in 2003.[6] It
is also unknown if this drift will continue to accelerate."

"At present, the overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a
rate which would, if it continues, cause the dipole field to
temporarily collapse by 3000–4000 CE. The South Atlantic Anomaly is
believed by some[who?] to be a product of this. The present strong
deterioration corresponds to a 10–15% decline over the last 150 years
and has accelerated in the past several years; however, geomagnetic
intensity has declined almost continuously from a maximum 35% above
the modern value achieved approximately 2000 years ago."

At a VADM dip of 3, we're in serious cosmic and solar radiation
trouble. *At a VADM dip of reaching down to the level of 2 could mean
the start of the end of natural genetic survival above the surface,
especially unfortunate at any time when solar halo CMEs are at their
maximum because that’ll obviously extract the most tonnage of our
atmosphere.

Each cycle on the way down (a process of losing our geomagnetic polar
force that sustains our protective magnetosphere) we unavoidably lose
more and more of our atmosphere (consequently involving an accelerated
loss of mass). *The next magnetic reset or flip may not happen for
quite some time (another couple thousand some odd years), and
meanwhile we continue to lose increasing portions of our upper most
atmosphere that's extensively populated by hydrogen and helium.

Eden/Earth is losing at the very least 10 kg/sec of helium, although a
loss of 100 kg/sec is certainly possible. *Since nothing binds with
helium, so therefore all helium is eventually lost, along with a
portion of our terrestrial hydrogen that didn't manage to bind with O2
and O3, as such simply isn’t going to stick with us.

The Big-Energy foiled OCO mission would have indirectly given us this
kind of global science, and thus reasonably quantified as to how much
loss in helium and hydrogen is ongoing. *The new and greatly improved
Hubble could also accomplish this task, although the Selene/moon L1
location for taking such objective measurements of our entire global
atmospheric environment would have been far superior as of four
decades ago, at a cost of not greater than $50M for that era.

I can see clearly now, but then so can ETs half as smart see us even
better, so why even bother with a 100 meter array of broad spectrum
adaptive optics situated within Selene L1?

Perhaps avoiding any chance of having our physically dark moon within
the same FOV that has other planets and stars is more important than
you’d think, whereas underestimating this consideration alone could be
all the reason as to why we can’t be allowed this kind of orbital
station-keeping.

If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same kind of taboo/banishment as for our moon or that of its
L1), then perhaps going further out is the only viable option for this
paranoid Usenet/newsgroup that so fears anything new or much less
imposing a revision of any kind.

HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system as exoplanet
populated. However, imagine if such telescopes were in orbit, whereas
instead of just obtaining those fuzzy deep IR detections of worthy
exoplanets, whereas those better equipped ETs with their orbiting
observatories could go for a visual and even the far better UV look-
see at us.

Too bad we still can not manage to place any pair of super-sized
telescopes in LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1
and perhaps Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass
would make hardly any difference. Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which
could give us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus
superior dynamic range of interpreting our own sun would have been a
nice thing as of a decade ago. Deploying a TRACE(e3) with its 1000x
boosted resolution plus sufficient DR(dynamic range) for looking
directly at the Sirius star/solar system should by now have been
possible, whereas we might even discover Sirius C as a brown dwarf or
that of an extremely small black hole, as well as detecting the
original molecular cloud which gave such a recent and aggressive
stellar birth, that can't be any too far off considering how recently
everything evolved.

The vast majority of exoplanet worlds, as those associated with HR
8799, may be inhospitable to naked humans for any number of reasons,
but just imagine what happened within our Eden environment of this
most recent cosmic era as of 250~350 BP, while the impressive Sirius
solar system was getting created from such a massive molecular cloud
of perhaps 120,000 solar masses (or was it another galactic
encounter or black hole merging kind of thing), as for Sirius B having
recently and vibrantly evolved itself so quickly into becoming the red
supergiant and then suddenly becoming the little white dwarf, is what
must have been every bit as good as our environment having a second
sun, and it gets especially interesting if we’re still making our
trinary orbit about the Sirius barycenter every 100 thousand years.
But then no matters what, it seems we can’t honestly discuss this or
much less intelligent other life, no matters how probable or
technology assisted, without every such topic attracting those brown-
nosed clowns like another swarm of faith-based killer bees.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”