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WHY WE SHOULDN'T DARE COLONIZE SPACE?
(You'll find the answer below) WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US? (An Editorial by Ed Conrad) Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs) around faster than the Orient Express.) How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible work force? Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay 10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35). Well. how about our advancement in knowledge? Ridiculous! WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs? Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air, clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty? I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution (although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that same question 150-200 years ago). Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education, desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good will toward our fellow man? Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors. I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)? Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system -- like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on to the common man. To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all about, they definitely would want NO part of us. In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh of relief and give a rousing cheer. =========================== GOOD GAWD! http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ViewFornax.jpg http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg =========================== AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS Zinkag 41 (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) has written: There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves off. I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as authoritative or their opinions being representative of official policy. Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago. Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers, as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable global conflagration or religious conflict. As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later. The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event, the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely is appreciably diminished with each successful colony. The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials, and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions. In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit), which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading to non-trivial solar-system expansion. Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond. Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures of insanity and violence to our space? In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding. Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle, of interface. Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they retain their delusional belief systems. I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality of their reasoning? We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and simply consider whether their current level of technological progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes", but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are capable of changing enough within the time remaining. Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would still like to consider what this means. Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now. On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of science and technology which are useful to the political economy but only influences fundamental change as a function of its unpredictablity in deployment. I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions. In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly. Sincerely, Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) =================================== THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Meier http://www.deepspace4.com/pages/prop...och/henoch.htm http://www.deepspace4.com/pages/prop...ch/henoch2.htm ============================ ~~~~~~ GOOD GAWD! ~~~~~~~ http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793 ============================ MAN AS OLD AS COAL and PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH Ed Conrad http://www.edconrad.com DEATH DOES NOT EXIST http://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpg http://edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath |
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WHY WE SHOULDN'T DARE COLONIZE SPACE?
On Aug 12, 3:22*am, "Good Gawd!"
wrote: (You'll find the answer below) WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US? * * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad) Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs) around faster than the Orient Express.) How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible work force? Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay 10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35). Well. how about our advancement in knowledge? Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs? Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air, clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty? I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution (although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that same question 150-200 years ago). Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education, desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good will toward our fellow man? Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors. I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)? Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system -- like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on to the common man. To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all about, they definitely would want NO part of us. In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh of relief and give a rousing cheer. =========================== * * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD! http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig.... http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg =========================== * * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) has written: There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves off. I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as authoritative or their opinions being representative of official policy. Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago. Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers, as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable global conflagration or religious conflict. As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later. The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event, the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely is appreciably diminished with each successful colony. The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials, and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions. In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit), which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading to non-trivial solar-system expansion. Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond. Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures of insanity and violence to our space? In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding. Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle, of interface. Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they retain their delusional belief systems. I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality of their reasoning? We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and simply consider whether their current level of technological progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes", but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are capable of changing enough within the time remaining. Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would still like to consider what this means. Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now. On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of science and technology which are useful to the political economy but only influences fundamental change as a function of its unpredictablity in deployment. I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions. In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly. Sincerely, Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) =================================== * THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...ch/henoch2.htm ============================ * ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~ http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793 ============================ MAN AS OLD AS COAL and PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath It is incredibly impractical even to put a few on the Moon. That would tax resources to the limit. We are not going to colonize space regardless of what Stephen Hawking says. He is just plane stupid. Mitch Raemsch |
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On Aug 12, 11:46*am, BURT wrote:
On Aug 12, 3:22*am, "Good Gawd!" wrote: (You'll find the answer below) WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US? * * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad) Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs) around faster than the Orient Express.) How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible work force? Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay 10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35). Well. how about our advancement in knowledge? Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs? Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air, clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty? I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution (although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that same question 150-200 years ago). Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education, desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good will toward our fellow man? Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors. I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)? Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system -- like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on to the common man. To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all about, they definitely would want NO part of us. In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh of relief and give a rousing cheer. =========================== * * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD! http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig... http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg =========================== * * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) has written: There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves off. I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as authoritative or their opinions being representative of official policy. Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago. Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers, as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable global conflagration or religious conflict. As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later. The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event, the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely is appreciably diminished with each successful colony. The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials, and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions. In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit), which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading to non-trivial solar-system expansion. Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond. Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures of insanity and violence to our space? In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding. Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle, of interface. Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they retain their delusional belief systems. I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality of their reasoning? We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and simply consider whether their current level of technological progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes", but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are capable of changing enough within the time remaining. Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would still like to consider what this means. Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now. On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of science and technology which are useful to the political economy but only influences fundamental change as a function of its unpredictablity in deployment. I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions. In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly. Sincerely, Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) =================================== * THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...space4.com/pag.... ============================ * ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~ http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793 ============================ MAN AS OLD AS COAL and PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafter... It is incredibly impractical even to put a few on the Moon. That would tax resources to the limit. We are not going to colonize space regardless of what Stephen Hawking says. He is just plane stupid. Mitch Raemsch Not in your lifetime - think 100 or 1000 years ahead. |
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On Aug 12, 7:22*am, "Good Gawd!"
wrote: (You'll find the answer below) WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US? * * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad) Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs) around faster than the Orient Express.) How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible work force? Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay 10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35). Well. how about our advancement in knowledge? Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs? Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air, clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty? I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution (although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that same question 150-200 years ago). Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education, desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good will toward our fellow man? Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors. I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)? Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system -- like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on to the common man. To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all about, they definitely would want NO part of us. In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh of relief and give a rousing cheer. =========================== * * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD! http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig.... http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg =========================== * * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) has written: There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves off. I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as authoritative or their opinions being representative of official policy. Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago. Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers, as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable global conflagration or religious conflict. As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later. The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event, the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely is appreciably diminished with each successful colony. The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials, and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions. In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit), which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading to non-trivial solar-system expansion. Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond. Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures of insanity and violence to our space? In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding. Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle, of interface. Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they retain their delusional belief systems. I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality of their reasoning? We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and simply consider whether their current level of technological progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes", but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are capable of changing enough within the time remaining. Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would still like to consider what this means. Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now. On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of science and technology which are useful to the political economy but only influences fundamental change as a function of its unpredictablity in deployment. I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions. In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly. Sincerely, Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) =================================== * THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...ch/henoch2.htm ============================ * ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~ http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793 ============================ MAN AS OLD AS COAL and PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath I guess extraterrestrials would not have much use for us. Thanks! Scott http://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/ |
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On Aug 12, 9:30*pm, ScottHughes wrote:
I guess extraterrestrials would not have much use for us. I think the concept of usury is a typical domesticated humaaaan 'quality'. huuuuumaaaan hahaha!! |
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On Aug 12, 11:19*am, HardySpicer wrote:
On Aug 12, 11:46*am, BURT wrote: On Aug 12, 3:22*am, "Good Gawd!" wrote: (You'll find the answer below) WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US? * * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad) Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs) around faster than the Orient Express.) How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible work force? Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay 10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35). Well. how about our advancement in knowledge? Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs? Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air, clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty? I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution (although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that same question 150-200 years ago). Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education, desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good will toward our fellow man? Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors. I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)? Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system -- like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on to the common man. To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all about, they definitely would want NO part of us. In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh of relief and give a rousing cheer. =========================== * * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD! http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig... http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg =========================== * * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) has written: There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves off. I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as authoritative or their opinions being representative of official policy. Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago. Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers, as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable global conflagration or religious conflict. As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later. The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event, the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely is appreciably diminished with each successful colony. The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials, and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions. In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit), which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading to non-trivial solar-system expansion. Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond. Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures of insanity and violence to our space? In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding. Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle, of interface. Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they retain their delusional belief systems. I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality of their reasoning? We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and simply consider whether their current level of technological progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes", but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are capable of changing enough within the time remaining. Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would still like to consider what this means. Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now. On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of science and technology which are useful to the political economy but only influences fundamental change as a function of its unpredictablity in deployment. I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions. In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly. Sincerely, Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) =================================== * THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...space4.com/pag... ============================ * ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~ http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793 ============================ MAN AS OLD AS COAL and PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafter... It is incredibly impractical even to put a few on the Moon. That would tax resources to the limit. We are not going to colonize space regardless of what Stephen Hawking says. He is just plane stupid. Mitch Raemsch Not in your lifetime - think 100 or 1000 years ahead.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The resources are as of now rapidly declining. Further in the future means even less and possibly near none. Mitch Raemsch |
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"Good Gawd!" wrote:
(You'll find the answer below) WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US? [snip 200 lines of crap] http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/bovine.htm Ask Dr. Scund -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 |
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On Aug 12, 12:30*pm, ScottHughes wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:22*am, "Good Gawd!" wrote: (You'll find the answer below) WHAT DO EXTRATERRESTRIALS WANT FROM US? * * * * * * * * (An Editorial by Ed Conrad) Well, for sure, they wouldn't want our paper money.(too damn Contaminated, for one thing, transporting bacteria (and germs) around faster than the Orient Express.) How about our manpower to serve as slave labor, our incredible work force? Hmmm! Not really! Not when they know, at best, we operate at only about 55- 65 percent efficiency (except in those U.S.-outsourced factores overseas which pay 10-15 cents an hour. although in rare cases as much as 35). Well. how about our advancement in knowledge? Ridiculous! *WHAT knowledge, compared to theirs? Okay, well, how about our gorgeous planet, with its fresh air, clean water, spacious skies and mountain majesty? I'd hardly think so, not with our wildebeast tampede of pollution (although, perhaps, an affirmative answer if we had asked that same question 150-200 years ago). Could it be the visitors from outer space savor an education, desiring to learn how we've made astounding progress in good will toward our fellow man? Sorry, Charlie! Another negative, with wars and battles and hostilities raging somewhere around the globe almost all the time? And, just as bad, they've certainly noticed that most of us can't even get along with pur neighbors. I know! How about our democratic form of government, the concept that all people are treated equal (wherever Democracy reigns)? Hmmm! That's got to be a strikeout, too. The extraterrestrials must have noticed that the most dynamic changes in the legal system -- like the current U.S. health insurance issue -- usually are rejected in order to continue to benefit the the filthy rich, to make them filthy richer, with only a handful of meager scraps passed on to the common man. To be perfectly honest, after our visitors from outer space get a really good idea of who we are and what we're really all about, they definitely would want NO part of us. In fact, when Captain Zorbar shakes his head in disgust and finally announces, "OK, Xisbar, Turn the ship around because we're heading home!" the entire crew will breathe a collective sigh of relief and give a rousing cheer. =========================== * * * * * * * * * * * *GOOD GAWD! http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...ly.org/TheNeig... http://www.deepfly.org/TheNeighborho...ViewFornax.jpg =========================== * * AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESPONDS Zinkag 41 *(Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) has written: There WAS a possibility that humans could contribute to civilizing the universe but they have proven to be violent and shortsighted for that. Instead they will be left alone until they kill themselves off. I speak only for the crew of my ship and necessarily in an unofficial capacity, and as such the statements below should not be taken as authoritative or their opinions being representative of official policy. Historically, the policy towards Earthers within the galactic milieu has been largely as you say. As you know, lengthly programs of detailed observation were undertaken several hundred years ago. Nearly every academic extrapolated from the various terrestrial techno-culture studies from that effort has concluded that Earthers, as a self-organized species, would end poorly in some inevitable global conflagration or religious conflict. As we know, it has happened before and will happen again countless times among species whose biology fails to support reasoned thinking with sufficient quality and rigor. Earthers have been shown to have insufficient capacity within their brains for rational policy. In the unforgiving universe they will pay the price sooner or later. The caveat in all this comes from the possibility that these Earthers might achieve inter-steller spaceflight capabilities. In that event, the chances of these Earthers destroying themselves completely is appreciably diminished with each successful colony. The local stellar group is unoccupied and is rich in raw materials, and is therefore ripe for exploitation, if they get out there -- by which time it would be too late for peaceful solutions. In the nineteen eighties it was clear that the US space program was moribund with politics; so far, so good. But thirty years later we are threatened with civilian access to LEO (low earth orbit), which in some scenarios explodes into Space Renaissance, leading to non-trivial solar-system expansion. Furthermore, Earthers have somehow muddled through many major crises without a large incident and may in fact have developed geopolitical talent sufficient to this minimal task. Barring accident, in fifty years the Earthers could be pushing their first generation ships out in the cometary halo or beyond. Of course they could still have a big nuclear accident but I am beginning to think this is not assured, and hence becomes a matter of some concern. What will we do if the Earthers bring their cultures of insanity and violence to our space? In their current "form" they cannot even begin to communicate meaningfully with our delegates, translators notwithstanding. Perhaps they will develop artificial intelligences that exceed their native capacities and which would therefore be capable, in principle, of interface. Even in that case the problem shifts position only slightly if they retain their delusional belief systems. I suppose the question of change must be revisted. Can these Earthers make changes to their biology and improve the quality of their reasoning? We'll ignore the issue of terrestrial politics for the moment and simply consider whether their current level of technological progress would allow it. I think the answer is a qualified "yes", but I am in no way prepared to say whether they are capable of changing enough within the time remaining. Rather than wait for the actual specialists to weigh in, I would still like to consider what this means. Their major obstacles are political and sociological. The politics driving their general socio-economic systems is unable to handle these issues properly; the entrenched conservatism rejects nearly everything non-epsilon with respect to their vector of now. On the side of sociology, the majority of Earther individuals are peasant-level, therefore capable of contributing little more than the work from their physical labors. This inefficiency allows nearly unconstrained growth in established fields of science and technology which are useful to the political economy but only influences fundamental change as a function of its unpredictablity in deployment. I can't even begin to guess where an impetus to improve their biological thinking basis would arise -- or could arise. The concept is several big jumps from the orthodoxy in any of their religions. In this light I suggest that the threat of Earther off-planet expansion is imminent and that we should begin to discuss what we are going to do about it if we cannot interfere directly. Sincerely, Zinky (Autonomus Unit Zinkag 41, brood assemblage Delta 64) =================================== * THE AMAZING STORY OF BILLY MEIER http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_M...space4.com/pag.... ============================ * ~~~~~~ *GOOD GAWD! *~~~~~~~ http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...1104fc7b995793 ============================ MAN AS OLD AS COAL and PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com DEATH DOES NOT EXISThttp://www.edconrad.com/pics/Miracle.jpghttp://edconrad.com/lifeafter... I guess extraterrestrials would not have much use for us. Thanks! Scotthttp://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/ How very correct, Scott, as what could any ET in their half right mind consider us pathetic humans or even whatever remains of Earth, as worthy of anything. ~ BG |
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:46:22 -0700, BURT wrote:
It is incredibly impractical even to put a few on the Moon. That would tax resources to the limit. We are not going to colonize space regardless of what Stephen Hawking says. He is just plane stupid. Mitch Raemsch Someone who can't even spell "plain" is hardly in a position to criticise a world-renowned theoretical physicist. If I haven't been clear: your opinion is not important, go away. -- ================================================== ===================== = David --- If you use Microsoft products, you will, inevitably, get = Mitchell --- viruses, so please don't add me to your address book. ================================================== ===================== |
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