New Apollo landing site photos

Looks like you have an issue with your system clock, Pat.

Sylvia

On 9/7/2011 8:41 AM, Val Kraut wrote:
Now, that really would have been some place to land a LM at; the view
from up there would have been something to see.

I've always thought that one of the public relations failures of Apollo was
they never went any place interesting enough to compete with the Bonstell
paintings that many of us were familiar with.

The geologists definitely wanted to, but NASA didn't want to because of
the danger of landing on rough terrain; how the astronauts felt about
that concept is a open question.
One thing that would have been very interesting to see close-up are the
volcanic vents inside the crater Alphonsus.
At the time they thought it might still have some volcanic activity
going on, so maybe that would have been a little TOO interesting of
scenery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonsus_%28crater%29 :-D

Pat

On 9/7/2011 9:30 AM, Matt Wiser wrote:
I remember reading somewhere about a proposed Tycho landing for one of
the later Apollos, and Jim McDivitt, who looked at landing sites from
a safety perspective, said "You guys are going to Tycho over my dead
body." This was supposedly Apollo 19 or 20 (cancelled anyway).

I read that somewhere also, and it surprised me a bit as it sure doesn't
sound like "The Right Stuff" version of astronauts, and besides, if they
were on final approach to landing and it looked like they couldn't
maneuver to a safe landing area before their fuel ran out, they could
always abort back into lunar orbit using the LM ascent stage.
Maybe no one wanted to do that and be accused of wasting a whole landing
mission, but it's got to be mighty rough terrain indeed if you can't
find an area a hundred feet on a side to land on while you are hovering;
Apollo 11 went a pretty good distance from their initial landing point
when they overshot the planned landing point and started coming down in
a boulder field; and by the later flights the propellant gauge readings
that made them think they were very short on hovering time had been fixed.

Pat

On 9/7/2011 11:20 AM, GordonD wrote:

I've always thought that one of the public relations failures of
Apollo was they never went any place interesting enough to compete
with the Bonstell paintings that many of us were familiar with.

Trouble was, Bonestell (like everybody else) assumed that because there
was no weather on the Moon, it would have high, sharp mountain peaks.
That turned out not to be the case.

WvB was said to have commented to Chesley Bonestell as they watched the
surface video coming in from Apollo 11 together: "Don't worry Chesley;
you were right - the Moon was wrong."
Still, this photo has a very Bonestell feeling to it:
http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/...-110830-02.jpg
That is one big rock.

Pat

On 9/7/2011 1:51 PM, Scott M. Kozel wrote:

So how are the moon landing conspiracy buffs going to try to refue
this ... claim that the photos were photoshopped?

I picture this midget rover coming out of the unmanned LM with Moon
Boots on the wheels to fake footprints... :-D

Pat

On 8/09/2011 12:01 PM, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 9/7/2011 1:51 PM, Scott M. Kozel wrote:

So how are the moon landing conspiracy buffs going to try to refue
this ... claim that the photos were photoshopped?

I picture this midget rover coming out of the unmanned LM with Moon
Boots on the wheels to fake footprints... :-D

Pat

I was picturing Marvin The Martian (boots and all).

On 9/7/2011 12:54 PM, Anthony Frost wrote:

LRO also got some great shots of the central impact debris mountain in
Tycho crater, showing a large boulder sitting atop it; but no black
monolith yet: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LR...lro-tycho.html

Well duh. TMA-1 is buried *under* the crater, you have to work out where
from the magnetic anomaly map. It's the big shiny crystal thingy from
The Sentinel that's sitting on top of a mountain...

Here's the map:
http://www.2001spacesuit.com/Images/Pod015.jpg
Position is odd, as it suggests that either it was buried off-center in
the crater, or was buried before the crater was formed.
I always thought that the aliens put it there because they knew that the
crater would be an object of interest to any beings arriving from Earth,
and they would pick up its odd magnetic signature, note that it didn't
make sense, and start digging.
But of course another meteor impact in the vicinity could have blown it
clean out of the ground to where it got exposed to sunlight also -
generating a false alarm, or if it was sophisticated enough to deal with
that possibility, it could have just been left on the surface, because
that would _really_ stand out like a sore thumb.

Pat

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On 9/7/2011 6:29 PM, Pat Flannery wrote:
By God, that's how to illustrate things! In that low gravity, you can
carry around GREAT BIG swords!
Odd though how women's breasts droop the same amount in the low Martian
gravity as on Earth:
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets...ter-of-mars.jp
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I'll say two further things about that painting:
1.) Frank Frazetta was one of the rare girly artists who actually knew
what women's large breasts _really_ looked like; the less said about
Alberto Vargas and breasts than hang upwards while women stand on their
heads, the better.
2.) Deeja Thoris has a butt measurement on her that would would make Kim
Kardashian envious. It's hard to guess what it is from the painting, but
I'm thinking around forty-five to fifty inches.
Whatever it is, it apparently starts above her navel, and should give
John Carter great confidence that she can bear his prospective children.
With a pelvis that wide she can probably shoot out babies with about as
much difficulty as farting.

Pat

The Vargas girls were obviously aliens -- silicon-based life forms. ;)

On 9/7/2011 6:29 PM, Pat Flannery wrote:
By God, that's how to illustrate things! In that low gravity, you can
carry around GREAT BIG swords!
Odd though how women's breasts droop the same amount in the low Martian
gravity as on Earth:
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets...er-of-mars.jpg

I'll say two further things about that painting:
1.) Frank Frazetta was one of the rare girly artists who actually knew
what women's large breasts _really_ looked like; the less said about
Alberto Vargas and breasts than hang upwards while women stand on their
heads, the better.
2.) Deeja Thoris has a butt measurement on her that would would make Kim
Kardashian envious. It's hard to guess what it is from the painting, but
I'm thinking around forty-five to fifty inches.
Whatever it is, it apparently starts above her navel, and should give
John Carter great confidence that she can bear his prospective children.
With a pelvis that wide she can probably shoot out babies with about as
much difficulty as farting.

Pat

On 9/7/2011 7:16 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

The Vargas girls were obviously aliens -- silicon-based life forms. ;)

A feminist friend of mine pointed out a key fact about his artwork; they
may all have different faces, but the bodies are all exactly the same,
like so many versions of Barbie dolls with new heads on the same figure
to save production costs.
Now, if you want to really see a pin-up artist that could knock your
socks off, try on the majestic work of Fritz Willis; who not only really
knew what women's breasts actually looked like, but endowed each of his
models with a individual personalty in the way he painted them:
http://www.operagloves.com/Classic/F...itzwillis.html
You might lust after the Vargas girls; you could fall head over heels in
love with one of his. :-)

Pat