Tardigradas could colonize and terraform Mars

On 3/12/2010 12:48 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 1, 6:04 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 2/12/2010 4:47 AM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Nov 30, 11:16 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 1/12/2010 5:46 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 9:03 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 1/12/2010 3:56 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 7:11 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 1/12/2010 2:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 3:12 pm, Sylvia wrote:
Absent a demonstrated ability to revive people who have been frozen in
ice or embalmed in pure hydrogen, this stuff is pure science fiction.

Sylvia.

Pressure chamber habitat at 68 bar of mostly H2 and only a little O2
has been accomplished on multiple species (including humans), without
negative issues.

What possible relevance does that have?

Sylvia.

The relevance is that you seem hopeless and the rest of us are more
than ready to do stuff.

The fact (if it is a fact - I haven't checked) that people can survive
in an atmosphere at 68 bar with only a little Oxygen (presumably giving
it a partial pressure equivalent to normal atmosphere at sea level), has
nothing to do with the possibility of freezing them in ice, or embalming
them in pure hydrogen, and then later reviving them.

Putting humans and other forms of complex life into an extended coma
isn't unproven or nearly as spendy as you might think.

Putting them into an extended coma is not the same as putting them on
ice, or embalming them. In particular, they retain most of their
expensive life support requirements.

Sylvia.

99% H2 and 1% O2 (or even 99.5 H2 and 0.5% O2 at 100 bar)

How's that?

~ BG

And...?

Sylvia.

Where's the down side?

You mean apart from the fact that pressure vessels are heavy, and that
using them as life support habitats in space is completely pointless?

You need to work on opening your closed mindset.

Thick ice is offering a powerfully tough form of containment, and
according to our NASA/Apollo conditional physics, it's cryogenic cold
between Earth and our moon, even in full sun. So it shouldn't be a
problem keeping such a thick layer of raw ice frozen solid and
otherwise tough to break out of. Mars needs water, so a delivery of
ice containing prisoners saturated in hydrogen shouldn't be such a bad
idea. Ice is also a terrific radiation shield.

If you want to ship ice to mars, by all means do so. If you want to ship
people to mars, ditto. If you can make use the ice on the way, I have no
problem with that. But there still seems no point in putting the people
into a high pressure environment, using a hydrogen oxygen atmosphere.



Or the fact that somehow you've morphed the discussion away from a
suspended animation concept (which at least was only science fiction) to
one where humans are kept alive using a container that is much heavier
than it needs to be because, for some unfathomable reason, you want it
to operate at a couple of orders of magnitude above atmospheric pressure
(which isn't science fiction, just engineering nonsense).

Sylvia.

Have it your way. I was just trying to help, by thinking of ways for
getting those nearly worthless prisoners to Mars on the cheap and
dirty.

If you want to help, try thinking of things that make some sort of
engineering sense, and are not science fiction.

According to Mook, there's no problems with getting terrific
mass into LEO.

Mook, of course, is the last word on such things.

Sylvia.

On Dec 2, 5:59*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 3/12/2010 12:48 PM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Dec 1, 6:04 pm, Sylvia *wrote:
On 2/12/2010 4:47 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 11:16 pm, Sylvia * *wrote:
On 1/12/2010 5:46 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 9:03 pm, Sylvia * * *wrote:
On 1/12/2010 3:56 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 7:11 pm, Sylvia * * * *wrote:
On 1/12/2010 2:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 3:12 pm, Sylvia * * * * *wrote:
Absent a demonstrated ability to revive people who have been frozen in
ice or embalmed in pure hydrogen, this stuff is pure science fiction.

Sylvia.

Pressure chamber habitat at 68 bar of mostly H2 and only a little O2
has been accomplished on multiple species (including humans), without
negative issues.

What possible relevance does that have?

Sylvia.

The relevance is that you seem hopeless and the rest of us are more
than ready to do stuff.

The fact (if it is a fact - I haven't checked) that people can survive
in an atmosphere at 68 bar with only a little Oxygen (presumably giving
it a partial pressure equivalent to normal atmosphere at sea level), has
nothing to do with the possibility of freezing them in ice, or embalming
them in pure hydrogen, and then later reviving them.

Putting humans and other forms of complex life into an extended coma
isn't unproven or nearly as spendy as you might think.

Putting them into an extended coma is not the same as putting them on
ice, or embalming them. In particular, they retain most of their
expensive life support requirements.

Sylvia.

99% H2 and 1% O2 (or even 99.5 H2 and 0.5% O2 at 100 bar)

How's that?

* * ~ BG

And...?

Sylvia.

Where's the down side?

You mean apart from the fact that pressure vessels are heavy, and that
using them as life support habitats in space is completely pointless?

You need to work on opening your closed mindset.

Thick ice is offering a powerfully tough form of containment, and
according to our NASA/Apollo conditional physics, it's cryogenic cold
between Earth and our moon, even in full sun. *So it shouldn't be a
problem keeping such a thick layer of raw ice frozen solid and
otherwise tough to break out of. *Mars needs water, so a delivery of
ice containing prisoners saturated in hydrogen shouldn't be such a bad
idea. *Ice is also a terrific radiation shield.

If you want to ship ice to mars, by all means do so. If you want to ship
people to mars, ditto. If you can make use the ice on the way, I have no
problem with that. But there still seems no point in putting the people
into a high pressure environment, using a hydrogen oxygen atmosphere.
0.5% O2 is simply a whole lot more resource efficient than burning
through 20% O2.

Keeping nitrogen and co2 out of the body, as well as minimizing the
saturation of O2 are all good things for extending human life.


Or the fact that somehow you've morphed the discussion away from a
suspended animation concept (which at least was only science fiction) to
one where humans are kept alive using a container that is much heavier
than it needs to be because, for some unfathomable reason, you want it
to operate at a couple of orders of magnitude above atmospheric pressure
(which isn't science fiction, just engineering nonsense).

Sylvia.

Have it your way. *I was just trying to help, by thinking of ways for
getting those nearly worthless prisoners to Mars on the cheap and
dirty.

If you want to help, try thinking of things that make some sort of
engineering sense, and are not science fiction.

There's nothing SF about using a pressurized environment of H2 at 99%
and 1% O2.


* According to Mook, there's no problems with getting terrific
mass into LEO.

Mook, of course, is the last word on such things.

Sylvia.

On 3/12/2010 2:18 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 2, 5:59 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 3/12/2010 12:48 PM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Dec 1, 6:04 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 2/12/2010 4:47 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 11:16 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 1/12/2010 5:46 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 9:03 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 1/12/2010 3:56 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 7:11 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 1/12/2010 2:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 3:12 pm, Sylvia wrote:
Absent a demonstrated ability to revive people who have been frozen in
ice or embalmed in pure hydrogen, this stuff is pure science fiction.

Sylvia.

Pressure chamber habitat at 68 bar of mostly H2 and only a little O2
has been accomplished on multiple species (including humans), without
negative issues.

What possible relevance does that have?

Sylvia.

The relevance is that you seem hopeless and the rest of us are more
than ready to do stuff.

The fact (if it is a fact - I haven't checked) that people can survive
in an atmosphere at 68 bar with only a little Oxygen (presumably giving
it a partial pressure equivalent to normal atmosphere at sea level), has
nothing to do with the possibility of freezing them in ice, or embalming
them in pure hydrogen, and then later reviving them.

Putting humans and other forms of complex life into an extended coma
isn't unproven or nearly as spendy as you might think.

Putting them into an extended coma is not the same as putting them on
ice, or embalming them. In particular, they retain most of their
expensive life support requirements.

Sylvia.

99% H2 and 1% O2 (or even 99.5 H2 and 0.5% O2 at 100 bar)

How's that?

~ BG

And...?

Sylvia.

Where's the down side?

You mean apart from the fact that pressure vessels are heavy, and that
using them as life support habitats in space is completely pointless?

You need to work on opening your closed mindset.

Thick ice is offering a powerfully tough form of containment, and
according to our NASA/Apollo conditional physics, it's cryogenic cold
between Earth and our moon, even in full sun. So it shouldn't be a
problem keeping such a thick layer of raw ice frozen solid and
otherwise tough to break out of. Mars needs water, so a delivery of
ice containing prisoners saturated in hydrogen shouldn't be such a bad
idea. Ice is also a terrific radiation shield.

If you want to ship ice to mars, by all means do so. If you want to ship
people to mars, ditto. If you can make use the ice on the way, I have no
problem with that. But there still seems no point in putting the people
into a high pressure environment, using a hydrogen oxygen atmosphere.
0.5% O2 is simply a whole lot more resource efficient than burning
through 20% O2.

Er, what? It's the same amount of oxygen. It's just a lesser percentage
of a higher total amount of gas when lots of hydrogen is added. The
amount of oxygen converted into carbon dioxide by humans breathing it is
almost entirely a function of their metabolic rate.


Keeping nitrogen and co2 out of the body, as well as minimizing the
saturation of O2 are all good things for extending human life.

Keeping nitrogen out of the body is not a problem at atmospheric
pressure. Nor is the removal of carbon dioxide. You're inventing
problems that don't need solving.



Or the fact that somehow you've morphed the discussion away from a
suspended animation concept (which at least was only science fiction) to
one where humans are kept alive using a container that is much heavier
than it needs to be because, for some unfathomable reason, you want it
to operate at a couple of orders of magnitude above atmospheric pressure
(which isn't science fiction, just engineering nonsense).

Sylvia.

Have it your way. I was just trying to help, by thinking of ways for
getting those nearly worthless prisoners to Mars on the cheap and
dirty.

If you want to help, try thinking of things that make some sort of
engineering sense, and are not science fiction.

There's nothing SF about using a pressurized environment of H2 at 99%
and 1% O2.

There was plenty of SF about the freezing nonsense, and you introduced
the hydrogen at high pressures into the discussion in an apparent
attempt to support the idea that hydrogen cosuld be used to embalm
people without killing them.

Sylvia.

On Dec 2, 8:01*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 3/12/2010 2:18 PM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Dec 2, 5:59 pm, Sylvia *wrote:
On 3/12/2010 12:48 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 1, 6:04 pm, Sylvia * *wrote:
On 2/12/2010 4:47 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 11:16 pm, Sylvia * * *wrote:
On 1/12/2010 5:46 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 9:03 pm, Sylvia * * * *wrote:
On 1/12/2010 3:56 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 7:11 pm, Sylvia * * * * *wrote:
On 1/12/2010 2:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 3:12 pm, Sylvia * * * * * *wrote:
Absent a demonstrated ability to revive people who have been frozen in
ice or embalmed in pure hydrogen, this stuff is pure science fiction.

Sylvia.

Pressure chamber habitat at 68 bar of mostly H2 and only a little O2
has been accomplished on multiple species (including humans), without
negative issues.

What possible relevance does that have?

Sylvia.

The relevance is that you seem hopeless and the rest of us are more
than ready to do stuff.

The fact (if it is a fact - I haven't checked) that people can survive
in an atmosphere at 68 bar with only a little Oxygen (presumably giving
it a partial pressure equivalent to normal atmosphere at sea level), has
nothing to do with the possibility of freezing them in ice, or embalming
them in pure hydrogen, and then later reviving them.

Putting humans and other forms of complex life into an extended coma
isn't unproven or nearly as spendy as you might think.

Putting them into an extended coma is not the same as putting them on
ice, or embalming them. In particular, they retain most of their
expensive life support requirements.

Sylvia.

99% H2 and 1% O2 (or even 99.5 H2 and 0.5% O2 at 100 bar)

How's that?

* * *~ BG

And...?

Sylvia.

Where's the down side?

You mean apart from the fact that pressure vessels are heavy, and that
using them as life support habitats in space is completely pointless?

You need to work on opening your closed mindset.

Thick ice is offering a powerfully tough form of containment, and
according to our NASA/Apollo conditional physics, it's cryogenic cold
between Earth and our moon, even in full sun. *So it shouldn't be a
problem keeping such a thick layer of raw ice frozen solid and
otherwise tough to break out of. *Mars needs water, so a delivery of
ice containing prisoners saturated in hydrogen shouldn't be such a bad
idea. *Ice is also a terrific radiation shield.

If you want to ship ice to mars, by all means do so. If you want to ship
people to mars, ditto. If you can make use the ice on the way, I have no
problem with that. But there still seems no point in putting the people
into a high pressure environment, using a hydrogen oxygen atmosphere.
0.5% O2 is simply a whole lot more resource efficient than burning
through 20% O2.

Er, what? It's the same amount of oxygen. It's just a lesser percentage
of a higher total amount of gas when lots of hydrogen is added. The
amount of oxygen converted into carbon dioxide by humans breathing it is
almost entirely a function of their metabolic rate.



Keeping nitrogen and co2 out of the body, as well as minimizing the
saturation of O2 are all good things for extending human life.

Keeping nitrogen out of the body is not a problem at atmospheric
pressure. Nor is the removal of carbon dioxide. You're inventing
problems that don't need solving.





Or the fact that somehow you've morphed the discussion away from a
suspended animation concept (which at least was only science fiction) to
one where humans are kept alive using a container that is much heavier
than it needs to be because, for some unfathomable reason, you want it
to operate at a couple of orders of magnitude above atmospheric pressure
(which isn't science fiction, just engineering nonsense).

Sylvia.

Have it your way. *I was just trying to help, by thinking of ways for
getting those nearly worthless prisoners to Mars on the cheap and
dirty.

If you want to help, try thinking of things that make some sort of
engineering sense, and are not science fiction.

There's nothing SF about using a pressurized environment of H2 at 99%
and 1% O2.

There was plenty of SF about the freezing nonsense, and you introduced
the hydrogen at high pressures into the discussion in an apparent
attempt to support the idea that hydrogen cosuld be used to embalm
people without killing them.

Sylvia.

It has been done, as in accomplished without consequences, at least up
to 68 bar.

At any rate, getting those prisoners one-way to Mars isn't
insurmountable nor does it have to be as spendy as keeping them here
on Earth.

Workers on Mars should normally be worth $1000/hr. However, prisoners
need only get paid at most 10% that amount, and if they're not
American prisoners (such as illegal Mexicans, war captive Muslims or
especially if from India, Cuba or Hatii would mean they only get at
most $10/hr. Of course a Happy Meal on Mars will cost them $100 each.

Again, where's the down side?

~ BG

On 4/12/2010 9:07 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 2, 8:01 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 3/12/2010 2:18 PM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Dec 2, 5:59 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 3/12/2010 12:48 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 1, 6:04 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 2/12/2010 4:47 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 11:16 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 1/12/2010 5:46 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 9:03 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 1/12/2010 3:56 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 7:11 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 1/12/2010 2:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 30, 3:12 pm, Sylvia wrote:
Absent a demonstrated ability to revive people who have been frozen in
ice or embalmed in pure hydrogen, this stuff is pure science fiction.

Sylvia.

Pressure chamber habitat at 68 bar of mostly H2 and only a little O2
has been accomplished on multiple species (including humans), without
negative issues.

What possible relevance does that have?

Sylvia.

The relevance is that you seem hopeless and the rest of us are more
than ready to do stuff.

The fact (if it is a fact - I haven't checked) that people can survive
in an atmosphere at 68 bar with only a little Oxygen (presumably giving
it a partial pressure equivalent to normal atmosphere at sea level), has
nothing to do with the possibility of freezing them in ice, or embalming
them in pure hydrogen, and then later reviving them.

Putting humans and other forms of complex life into an extended coma
isn't unproven or nearly as spendy as you might think.

Putting them into an extended coma is not the same as putting them on
ice, or embalming them. In particular, they retain most of their
expensive life support requirements.

Sylvia.

99% H2 and 1% O2 (or even 99.5 H2 and 0.5% O2 at 100 bar)

How's that?

~ BG

And...?

Sylvia.

Where's the down side?

You mean apart from the fact that pressure vessels are heavy, and that
using them as life support habitats in space is completely pointless?

You need to work on opening your closed mindset.

Thick ice is offering a powerfully tough form of containment, and
according to our NASA/Apollo conditional physics, it's cryogenic cold
between Earth and our moon, even in full sun. So it shouldn't be a
problem keeping such a thick layer of raw ice frozen solid and
otherwise tough to break out of. Mars needs water, so a delivery of
ice containing prisoners saturated in hydrogen shouldn't be such a bad
idea. Ice is also a terrific radiation shield.

If you want to ship ice to mars, by all means do so. If you want to ship
people to mars, ditto. If you can make use the ice on the way, I have no
problem with that. But there still seems no point in putting the people
into a high pressure environment, using a hydrogen oxygen atmosphere.
0.5% O2 is simply a whole lot more resource efficient than burning
through 20% O2.

Er, what? It's the same amount of oxygen. It's just a lesser percentage
of a higher total amount of gas when lots of hydrogen is added. The
amount of oxygen converted into carbon dioxide by humans breathing it is
almost entirely a function of their metabolic rate.



Keeping nitrogen and co2 out of the body, as well as minimizing the
saturation of O2 are all good things for extending human life.

Keeping nitrogen out of the body is not a problem at atmospheric
pressure. Nor is the removal of carbon dioxide. You're inventing
problems that don't need solving.





Or the fact that somehow you've morphed the discussion away from a
suspended animation concept (which at least was only science fiction) to
one where humans are kept alive using a container that is much heavier
than it needs to be because, for some unfathomable reason, you want it
to operate at a couple of orders of magnitude above atmospheric pressure
(which isn't science fiction, just engineering nonsense).

Sylvia.

Have it your way. I was just trying to help, by thinking of ways for
getting those nearly worthless prisoners to Mars on the cheap and
dirty.

If you want to help, try thinking of things that make some sort of
engineering sense, and are not science fiction.

There's nothing SF about using a pressurized environment of H2 at 99%
and 1% O2.

There was plenty of SF about the freezing nonsense, and you introduced
the hydrogen at high pressures into the discussion in an apparent
attempt to support the idea that hydrogen cosuld be used to embalm
people without killing them.

Sylvia.

It has been done, as in accomplished without consequences, at least up
to 68 bar.

Embalmed in Hydrogen and then revived?

Cite!


At any rate, getting those prisoners one-way to Mars isn't
insurmountable nor does it have to be as spendy as keeping them here
on Earth.

Workers on Mars should normally be worth $1000/hr. However, prisoners
need only get paid at most 10% that amount, and if they're not
American prisoners (such as illegal Mexicans, war captive Muslims or
especially if from India, Cuba or Hatii would mean they only get at
most $10/hr. Of course a Happy Meal on Mars will cost them $100 each.

Again, where's the down side?

Cost.

Cost.

Cost.

Oh yes, did I mention....

Cost.

Sylvia.

On Dec 3, 5:34 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 4/12/2010 9:07 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

It has been done, as in accomplished without consequences, at least up
to 68 bar.

Embalmed in Hydrogen and then revived?

Cite!
Very old French research lab, for extreme pressure life.

Hyperbaric Experimental Centre & Hyperbaric Hydrogen
http://www.comex.fr/innovationinextr...ironments.html
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Rese...Z6HONDG_0.html
“The Hydrosphere of the Hyperbaric Experimental Centre is equipped or
long duration studies.”

“Hairless albino mice with squamous cell carcinoma were exposed to a
mixture of 2.5 percent oxygen and 97.5 percent hydrogen at a total
pressure of 8 atmospheres for periods up to 2 weeks in order to see if
a free radical decay catalyzer, such as hydrogen, would cause a
regression of the skin tumors. Marked aggression of the tumors was
found, leading to the possibility that hyperbaric hydrogen therapy
might also prove to be of significance in the treatment of other types
of cancer.”

In other words, an inert Hyperbaric Molecular Hydrogen atmosphere of
99.5% H2 and 0.5% O2 at 94 Bar should work like a charm, with O2 to
spare. Gee whiz, why can I find this stuff and you cant?



At any rate, getting those prisoners one-way to Mars isn't
insurmountable nor does it have to be as spendy as keeping them here
on Earth.

Workers on Mars should normally be worth $1000/hr. However, prisoners
need only get paid at most 10% that amount, and if they're not
American prisoners (such as illegal Mexicans, war captive Muslims or
especially if from India, Cuba or Hatii would mean they only get at
most $10/hr. Of course a Happy Meal on Mars will cost them $100 each.

Again, where's the down side?

Cost.

Cost.

Cost.

Oh yes, did I mention....

Cost.

Sylvia.

BTW; 99% H2 at 68 bar is not a liquid, it's still a molecular gas.

Whatever the cost, cost, cost is not a serious problem because we're
getting rid of the bad guys and bad girls once and for all. At best
they get to die on Mars (becoming fertilizer), because at least for
most of them a return flight home to Earth is simply not an option.
These are mostly expendable folks we're talking about.

~ BG

On 5/12/2010 4:12 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 3, 5:34 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 4/12/2010 9:07 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

It has been done, as in accomplished without consequences, at least up
to 68 bar.

Embalmed in Hydrogen and then revived?

Cite!
Very old French research lab, for extreme pressure life.

Hyperbaric Experimental Centre& Hyperbaric Hydrogen
http://www.comex.fr/innovationinextr...ironments.html
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Rese...Z6HONDG_0.html
“The Hydrosphere of the Hyperbaric Experimental Centre is equipped or
long duration studies.”

“Hairless albino mice with squamous cell carcinoma were exposed to a
mixture of 2.5 percent oxygen and 97.5 percent hydrogen at a total
pressure of 8 atmospheres for periods up to 2 weeks in order to see if
a free radical decay catalyzer, such as hydrogen, would cause a
regression of the skin tumors. Marked aggression of the tumors was
found, leading to the possibility that hyperbaric hydrogen therapy
might also prove to be of significance in the treatment of other types
of cancer.”

In other words, an inert Hyperbaric Molecular Hydrogen atmosphere of
99.5% H2 and 0.5% O2 at 94 Bar should work like a charm, with O2 to
spare. Gee whiz, why can I find this stuff and you cant?

Perhaps because I wouldn't have been looking for something that didn't
address the claim. No mention of embalming. No mention of revival. Just
exposure to an atmosphere of compressed hydrogen and oxygen.

This shouldn't be difficult to understand.




At any rate, getting those prisoners one-way to Mars isn't
insurmountable nor does it have to be as spendy as keeping them here
on Earth.

Workers on Mars should normally be worth $1000/hr. However, prisoners
need only get paid at most 10% that amount, and if they're not
American prisoners (such as illegal Mexicans, war captive Muslims or
especially if from India, Cuba or Hatii would mean they only get at
most $10/hr. Of course a Happy Meal on Mars will cost them $100 each.

Again, where's the down side?

Cost.

Cost.

Cost.

Oh yes, did I mention....

Cost.

Sylvia.

BTW; 99% H2 at 68 bar is not a liquid, it's still a molecular gas.

Whatever the cost, cost, cost is not a serious problem because we're
getting rid of the bad guys and bad girls once and for all. At best
they get to die on Mars (becoming fertilizer), because at least for
most of them a return flight home to Earth is simply not an option.
These are mostly expendable folks we're talking about.

If it costs less to keep them in prison for life on Earth (and I'm sure
it does), then shipping them off to Mars is a waste of money.

Sylvia.

On Dec 5, 1:30*am, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 5/12/2010 4:12 PM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Dec 3, 5:34 pm, Sylvia *wrote:
On 4/12/2010 9:07 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

It has been done, as in accomplished without consequences, at least up
to 68 bar.

Embalmed in Hydrogen and then revived?

Cite!
Very old French research lab, for extreme pressure life.

Hyperbaric Experimental Centre& *Hyperbaric Hydrogen
*http://www.comex.fr/innovationinextr...ironments.html
*http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Rese...Z6HONDG_0.html
* The Hydrosphere of the Hyperbaric Experimental Centre is equipped or
long duration studies.

Hairless albino mice with squamous cell carcinoma were exposed to a
mixture of 2.5 percent oxygen and 97.5 percent hydrogen at a total
pressure of 8 atmospheres for periods up to 2 weeks in order to see if
a free radical decay catalyzer, such as hydrogen, would cause a
regression of the skin tumors. Marked aggression of the tumors was
found, leading to the possibility that hyperbaric hydrogen therapy
might also prove to be of significance in the treatment of other types
of cancer.

In other words, an inert Hyperbaric Molecular Hydrogen atmosphere of
99.5% H2 and 0.5% O2 at 94 Bar should work like a charm, with O2 to
spare. *Gee whiz, why can I find this stuff and you cant?

Perhaps because I wouldn't have been looking for something that didn't
address the claim. No mention of embalming. No mention of revival. Just
exposure to an atmosphere of compressed hydrogen and oxygen.

This shouldn't be difficult to understand.





At any rate, getting those prisoners one-way to Mars isn't
insurmountable nor does it have to be as spendy as keeping them here
on Earth.

Workers on Mars should normally be worth $1000/hr. *However, prisoners
need only get paid at most 10% that amount, and if they're not
American prisoners (such as illegal Mexicans, war captive Muslims or
especially if from India, Cuba or Hatii would mean they only get at
most $10/hr. *Of course a Happy Meal on Mars will cost them $100 each.

Again, where's the down side?

Cost.

Cost.

Cost.

Oh yes, did I mention....

Cost.

Sylvia.

BTW; *99% H2 at 68 bar is not a liquid, it's still a molecular gas.

Whatever the cost, cost, cost is not a serious problem because we're
getting rid of the bad guys and bad girls once and for all. *At best
they get to die on Mars (becoming fertilizer), because at least for
most of them a return flight home to Earth is simply not an option.
These are mostly expendable folks we're talking about.

If it costs less to keep them in prison for life on Earth (and I'm sure
it does), then shipping them off to Mars is a waste of money.

Sylvia.

Why is your mindset always willing and ready to pounce on each and
every little tidbit of context so that you can claim being the smart
one?

More than a sufficient number of prisoners would pay to go to Mars,
under almost any conditions, so it actually a profit situation to
begin with. Their work on Mars (mostly digging tunnels and mining,
plus a little science) would be worth $1000/hr, however at best we'd
only have to pay them $10/hr. So, by that method they could work off
their cost of transport and whatever length of stay at $990/hr. Since
they'd likely get infected with Mars microbes and spores, there's no
failsafe way most could ever be allowed to visit Earth again, no
matter what.

There's lots of ways to induce or force a long and deep coma, along
with the Hyperbaric Molecular Hydrogen atmosphere of 99.5% H2 and 0.5%
O2 at 94 Bar as their coma environment should work like a charm. Of
course I was also thinking of the prep necessary for us doing the
planet Venus.

Mook claims to know how to efficiently extract sufficient O2 and Ar
while on Mars, and for only a few watts of energy none the less. So,
once we get our Hyperbaric transported prisoners to mars, we turn them
over to captain Mook to prep them for the near vacuum of always
something less than 0.1 bar and the cold plus badly cosmic radiated
environment of Mars where they'll need to be provided with something
like 75% O2 and 25% argon.

~ BG

On 6/12/2010 3:07 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 5, 1:30 am, Sylvia wrote:
On 5/12/2010 4:12 PM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Dec 3, 5:34 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 4/12/2010 9:07 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

It has been done, as in accomplished without consequences, at least up
to 68 bar.

Embalmed in Hydrogen and then revived?

Cite!
Very old French research lab, for extreme pressure life.

Hyperbaric Experimental Centre& Hyperbaric Hydrogen
http://www.comex.fr/innovationinextr...ironments.html
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Rese...Z6HONDG_0.html
The Hydrosphere of the Hyperbaric Experimental Centre is equipped or
long duration studies.

Hairless albino mice with squamous cell carcinoma were exposed to a
mixture of 2.5 percent oxygen and 97.5 percent hydrogen at a total
pressure of 8 atmospheres for periods up to 2 weeks in order to see if
a free radical decay catalyzer, such as hydrogen, would cause a
regression of the skin tumors. Marked aggression of the tumors was
found, leading to the possibility that hyperbaric hydrogen therapy
might also prove to be of significance in the treatment of other types
of cancer.

In other words, an inert Hyperbaric Molecular Hydrogen atmosphere of
99.5% H2 and 0.5% O2 at 94 Bar should work like a charm, with O2 to
spare. Gee whiz, why can I find this stuff and you cant?

Perhaps because I wouldn't have been looking for something that didn't
address the claim. No mention of embalming. No mention of revival. Just
exposure to an atmosphere of compressed hydrogen and oxygen.

This shouldn't be difficult to understand.





At any rate, getting those prisoners one-way to Mars isn't
insurmountable nor does it have to be as spendy as keeping them here
on Earth.

Workers on Mars should normally be worth $1000/hr. However, prisoners
need only get paid at most 10% that amount, and if they're not
American prisoners (such as illegal Mexicans, war captive Muslims or
especially if from India, Cuba or Hatii would mean they only get at
most $10/hr. Of course a Happy Meal on Mars will cost them $100 each.

Again, where's the down side?

Cost.

Cost.

Cost.

Oh yes, did I mention....

Cost.

Sylvia.

BTW; 99% H2 at 68 bar is not a liquid, it's still a molecular gas.

Whatever the cost, cost, cost is not a serious problem because we're
getting rid of the bad guys and bad girls once and for all. At best
they get to die on Mars (becoming fertilizer), because at least for
most of them a return flight home to Earth is simply not an option.
These are mostly expendable folks we're talking about.

If it costs less to keep them in prison for life on Earth (and I'm sure
it does), then shipping them off to Mars is a waste of money.

Sylvia.

Why is your mindset always willing and ready to pounce on each and
every little tidbit of context so that you can claim being the smart
one?

I have never claimed to be smart. If you perceive me as smart based on
my comments, that's your problem.


More than a sufficient number of prisoners would pay to go to Mars,

I strongly doubt that. Very few prisoners indeed would have the kind of
funds needed to pay for a trip to mars.

Sylvia.

On Dec 5, 3:18*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/12/2010 3:07 AM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Dec 5, 1:30 am, Sylvia *wrote:
On 5/12/2010 4:12 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 3, 5:34 pm, Sylvia * *wrote:
On 4/12/2010 9:07 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

It has been done, as in accomplished without consequences, at least up
to 68 bar.

Embalmed in Hydrogen and then revived?

Cite!
Very old French research lab, for extreme pressure life.

Hyperbaric Experimental Centre& * *Hyperbaric Hydrogen
*http://www.comex.fr/innovationinextr...ironments.html
*http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Rese...Z6HONDG_0.html
* *The Hydrosphere of the Hyperbaric Experimental Centre is equipped or
long duration studies.

Hairless albino mice with squamous cell carcinoma were exposed to a
mixture of 2.5 percent oxygen and 97.5 percent hydrogen at a total
pressure of 8 atmospheres for periods up to 2 weeks in order to see if
a free radical decay catalyzer, such as hydrogen, would cause a
regression of the skin tumors. Marked aggression of the tumors was
found, leading to the possibility that hyperbaric hydrogen therapy
might also prove to be of significance in the treatment of other types
of cancer.

In other words, an inert Hyperbaric Molecular Hydrogen atmosphere of
99.5% H2 and 0.5% O2 at 94 Bar should work like a charm, with O2 to
spare. *Gee whiz, why can I find this stuff and you cant?

Perhaps because I wouldn't have been looking for something that didn't
address the claim. No mention of embalming. No mention of revival. Just
exposure to an atmosphere of compressed hydrogen and oxygen.

This shouldn't be difficult to understand.

At any rate, getting those prisoners one-way to Mars isn't
insurmountable nor does it have to be as spendy as keeping them here
on Earth.

Workers on Mars should normally be worth $1000/hr. *However, prisoners
need only get paid at most 10% that amount, and if they're not
American prisoners (such as illegal Mexicans, war captive Muslims or
especially if from India, Cuba or Hatii would mean they only get at
most $10/hr. *Of course a Happy Meal on Mars will cost them $100 each.

Again, where's the down side?

Cost.

Cost.

Cost.

Oh yes, did I mention....

Cost.

Sylvia.

BTW; *99% H2 at 68 bar is not a liquid, it's still a molecular gas.

Whatever the cost, cost, cost is not a serious problem because we're
getting rid of the bad guys and bad girls once and for all. *At best
they get to die on Mars (becoming fertilizer), because at least for
most of them a return flight home to Earth is simply not an option.
These are mostly expendable folks we're talking about.

If it costs less to keep them in prison for life on Earth (and I'm sure
it does), then shipping them off to Mars is a waste of money.

Sylvia.

Why is your mindset always willing and ready to pounce on each and
every little tidbit of context so that you can claim being the smart
one?

I have never claimed to be smart. If you perceive me as smart based on
my comments, that's your problem.



More than a sufficient number of prisoners would pay to go to Mars,

I strongly doubt that. Very few prisoners indeed would have the kind of
funds needed to pay for a trip to mars.

Sylvia.

There are wealthy inmates (aka Ponzi Madoff and a good number of other
Jews and Mafia types that have well to do families and offshore
connections), but then I also just told you how they could work at
paying their own way at up to $990/hr as long as they do as they're
told, whereas they become servitudes instead of just ordinary lifetime
inmates.

Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension.

Of course life on Mars is not going to buy anyone an extension on
living. If anything they'll be lucky to last half as long as if they
stayed on Earth, but that's a given. At least they wouldn't be
formally incarcerated in a prison cell, with little if any outside
interaction or sense of accomplishment or personal worth. There's
even a remote chance of getting a Presidential pardon if they played
their cards just right.

~ BG