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Searching for life in Mars
Nasa has published the resultds of methane emissions sensed by the
Curiosity rover. There are sometimes mysterious methane hot spots. Great. What is not great is that the rover didn't STOP and tried to figure out from where exactly the methane was coming from! No, it just continued roving around. Not great. The search for life in Mars is becoming completely ridiculous. Either NASA is not really searching anything, or they are just not aware of what they are doing or what? A microbiologist in earth (not associated with NASA) discovers rests of fossilized bacteria in a formation that has the same appearence as fossils here in earth. She describes all her conclusions, publishes an article in a peer reviewed journal... .... and nothing. No, the rover doesn't come back to investigate the fossils and definitely say if those are fossils or not. Of course not. There is a drive plan, etc. Actually there is no search for life there. Rovers are happy roving around but nobody is looking because to look for something you have to believe it exists. If not, "looking for life" looks like what NASA is apparently doing. |
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On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:14:40 PM UTC-4, jacob navia wrote:
Nasa has published the resultds of methane emissions sensed by the Curiosity rover. There are sometimes mysterious methane hot spots. Great. What is not great is that the rover didn't STOP and tried to figure out from where exactly the methane was coming from! No, it just continued roving around. Not great. The search for life in Mars is becoming completely ridiculous. Either NASA is not really searching anything, or they are just not aware of what they are doing or what? A microbiologist in earth (not associated with NASA) discovers rests of fossilized bacteria in a formation that has the same appearence as fossils here in earth. She describes all her conclusions, publishes an article in a peer reviewed journal... ... and nothing. No, the rover doesn't come back to investigate the fossils and definitely say if those are fossils or not. Of course not. There is a drive plan, etc. Actually there is no search for life there. Rovers are happy roving around but nobody is looking because to look for something you have to believe it exists. If not, "looking for life" looks like what NASA is apparently doing. the rtg that powers curosity has issues. its a prototype, and power is dropping faster than expected. this problenn was known about before launch, but nasa didnt want to delay curosity. at some point roving will end, no doubt nasa wants to get as much travel in before curosity becomes a door stop |
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jacob navia wrote:
Nasa has published the resultds of methane emissions sensed by the Curiosity rover. There are sometimes mysterious methane hot spots. Great. What is not great is that the rover didn't STOP and tried to figure out from where exactly the methane was coming from! No, it just continued roving around. Not great. This is the problem with sending toasters rather than people. Toasters can't do things they aren't preprogrammed to do. The search for life in Mars is becoming completely ridiculous. Either NASA is not really searching anything, or they are just not aware of what they are doing or what? A microbiologist in earth (not associated with NASA) discovers rests of fossilized bacteria in a formation that has the same appearence as fossils here in earth. She describes all her conclusions, publishes an article in a peer reviewed journal... ... and nothing. No, the rover doesn't come back to investigate the fossils and definitely say if those are fossils or not. Of course not. There is a drive plan, etc. And they probably can't get back to exactly the same place anyway. Again, this is why people on the ground are so much more effective than toasters. They can make decisions 'on the fly' and don't need to wait for a human back on earth to check out things that a toaster just can't do. -- "Then tomorrow we may all be dead. But how is that different from every other day?" -- Morpheus |
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On 8/13/2016 7:14 PM, jacob navia wrote:
Nasa has published the resultds of methane emissions sensed by the Curiosity rover. There are sometimes mysterious methane hot spots. Great. What is not great is that the rover didn't STOP and tried to figure out from where exactly the methane was coming from! No, it just continued roving around. Not great. The search for life in Mars is becoming completely ridiculous. Either NASA is not really searching anything, or they are just not aware of what they are doing or what? A microbiologist in earth (not associated with NASA) discovers rests of fossilized bacteria in a formation that has the same appearence as fossils here in earth. She describes all her conclusions, publishes an article in a peer reviewed journal... ... and nothing. No, the rover doesn't come back to investigate the fossils and definitely say if those are fossils or not. Of course not. There is a drive plan, etc. Actually there is no search for life there. Rovers are happy roving around but nobody is looking because to look for something you have to believe it exists. If not, "looking for life" looks like what NASA is apparently doing. Well that was the plan all along. The MER rovers were designed to find signs of water NOT LIFE. Curiosity Rover was designed to find habitable conditions NOT LIFE. It could land in the middle of a field of moss and it has NOTHING on board that could prove it was life, aside from pictures and that's not proof, unless of course a flippin' bird flew past the lens. ALL ALONG the big discovery was deliberately withheld for the coveted sample return mission, so as to extend all their careers an additional 15 or 20 years. But the sample return mission was cancelled. So the discovery will have to wait another who knows 20 or 40 years. It was a self-serving mission plan that denied the human race one of the greatest discoveries of all for at least a generation or two. It almost qualifies as a crime-against-humanity and is quite literally UNFORGIVABLE. Those responsible for making sure Curiosity did NOT have the ability to prove life should be held accountable in the court of public and scientific opinion for their incredibly selfish and anti-science decision. And the decision to go to the curiosity site to see all those laminations and unravel the geologic history of Mars is clearly a decision by GEOLOGISTS not ASTROBIOLOGISTS. But we must have faith in humanity, all this means is Musk or the EU gets to make the Big discovery not NASA. And far..sooner than NASA's self serving timeline could ever accomplish. Just would have been nice if NASA had decided discovery and science was more important that padding their own careers. Jonathan a |
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On 8/14/2016 11:48 AM, Jonathan wrote:
On 8/13/2016 7:14 PM, jacob navia wrote: Nasa has published the resultds of methane emissions sensed by the Curiosity rover. There are sometimes mysterious methane hot spots. Great. What is not great is that the rover didn't STOP and tried to figure out from where exactly the methane was coming from! No, it just continued roving around. Not great. The search for life in Mars is becoming completely ridiculous. Either NASA is not really searching anything, or they are just not aware of what they are doing or what? A microbiologist in earth (not associated with NASA) discovers rests of fossilized bacteria in a formation that has the same appearence as fossils here in earth. She describes all her conclusions, publishes an article in a peer reviewed journal... ... and nothing. No, the rover doesn't come back to investigate the fossils and definitely say if those are fossils or not. Of course not. There is a drive plan, etc. Actually there is no search for life there. Rovers are happy roving around but nobody is looking because to look for something you have to believe it exists. If not, "looking for life" looks like what NASA is apparently doing. Well that was the plan all along. The MER rovers were designed to find signs of water NOT LIFE. Curiosity Rover was designed to find habitable conditions NOT LIFE. And I'm not making this up, the MER and Curiosity pages say so right up front. Mars Exploration Rovers Overview "Primary among the mission's scientific goals is to search for and characterize a wide range of rocks and soils that hold clues to past water activity on Mars. The spacecraft are targeted to sites on opposite sides of Mars that appear to have been affected by liquid water in the past." http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/overview/ CURIOSITY Mission Overview "With its rover named Curiosity, Mars Science Laboratory mission is part of NASA's Mars Exploration Program, a long-term effort of robotic exploration of the red planet. Curiosity was designed to assess whether Mars ever had an environment able to support small life forms called microbes. In other words, its mission is to determine the planet's "habitability." http://mars.nasa.gov/msl/mission/overview/ NOT LIFE! Although I haven't Googled this issue for a while and just found this, a plan to send another Curiosity rover except with the instrument package Curiosity should have had, one designed by Astrobiologists designed to search for life. Anyone know if it's being funded? The site says that's still to be determined. https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/missions/2020-mars-rover/ |
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bob haller wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 8:13:14 AM UTC-4, Jeff Findley wrote: In article , says... On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:14:40 PM UTC-4, jacob navia wrote: Nasa has published the resultds of methane emissions sensed by the Curiosity rover. There are sometimes mysterious methane hot spots. Great. What is not great is that the rover didn't STOP and tried to figure out from where exactly the methane was coming from! No, it just continued roving around. Not great. The search for life in Mars is becoming completely ridiculous. Either NASA is not really searching anything, or they are just not aware of what they are doing or what? A microbiologist in earth (not associated with NASA) discovers rests of fossilized bacteria in a formation that has the same appearence as fossils here in earth. She describes all her conclusions, publishes an article in a peer reviewed journal... ... and nothing. No, the rover doesn't come back to investigate the fossils and definitely say if those are fossils or not. Of course not. There is a drive plan, etc. Actually there is no search for life there. Rovers are happy roving around but nobody is looking because to look for something you have to believe it exists. If not, "looking for life" looks like what NASA is apparently doing. the rtg that powers curosity has issues. its a prototype, and power is dropping faster than expected. this problenn was known about before launch, but nasa didnt want to delay curosity. at some point roving will end, no doubt nasa wants to get as much travel in before curosity becomes a door stop So, in other words, "Damn the science, we want to rack up as many miles as possible!" Makes zero sense Bob. And of course you have no cite for this assertion. soon curosity will be so power starved science will be curtailed. nas had info on this at the time of launch. tey choose to launch it...... go back and search its beginings, and around the time of it original landing. Bull****. NASA says parts will wear out long before it starts suffering from power shortages. there are plans for sample return...... a red dragon will lland near some retrieved samples, and the samples will be put in the unmanned dragon and returned to earth. Proposal, not a plan. for all those send humans......... once a human steps on te mars surface it will be forever contaminated...... humans are dirty and once they land we will never know if any life found is from earth or already existed on mars before we landed......... Bull****. You think we can't identify Earth organisms? REALLY???? Bobbert, more samples (and more science) were obtained by the first manned moon landing than by ALL unmanned probes combined. Not just 'more', but orders of magnitude more. If humans aren't going, why care at all? -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
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