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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
Aviation Visionary Burt Rutan on Inspiring Space Development Sun, 05/06/2007 - 9:16am - LiftportEnergy "I'd like to start off by saying...Houston we have a problem" "We're entering a second generation of 'no progress' in terms of manned space flight, in fact, we've regressed" "We're going back to the moon...and very specifically planned not to learn anything new. I'm really troubled by that" .....Burt Rutan Video stream of his speech. http://www.liftportenergy.com/?q=avi...ce-development s |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:16:39 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Aviation Visionary Burt Rutan on Inspiring Space Development Sun, 05/06/2007 - 9:16am - LiftportEnergy "I'd like to start off by saying...Houston we have a problem" "We're entering a second generation of 'no progress' in terms of manned space flight, in fact, we've regressed" "We're going back to the moon...and very specifically planned not to learn anything new. I'm really troubled by that" ....Burt Rutan Video stream of his speech. http://www.liftportenergy.com/?q=avi...ce-development So? What's your point? |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:16:39 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Aviation Visionary Burt Rutan on Inspiring Space Development Sun, 05/06/2007 - 9:16am - LiftportEnergy "I'd like to start off by saying...Houston we have a problem" "We're entering a second generation of 'no progress' in terms of manned space flight, in fact, we've regressed" "We're going back to the moon...and very specifically planned not to learn anything new. I'm really troubled by that" ....Burt Rutan Video stream of his speech. http://www.liftportenergy.com/?q=avi...n-inspiring-sp ace-development So? What's your point? Well...eh hum...it would be that the "Vision" is a bad policy and why. Tom Hanks said pretty much the same thing. Was does it take, doesn Werner Von Braun have to rise from the dead and say it too? It's bad policy, a bad idea, and it's been corrupted to boot. We should be talking about how to change it, and to what. But I guess in your old fashioned view of the world there's really nothing we can do to stop the big corporations and powerful politicians from doing whatever they want. So I guess we should tag along, and not make a fuss. The problem is that in the new world, with the internet the way it is, holding onto a bad idea is very risky. As these days, the better idea has a way. s |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:35:47 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:16:39 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Aviation Visionary Burt Rutan on Inspiring Space Development Sun, 05/06/2007 - 9:16am - LiftportEnergy "I'd like to start off by saying...Houston we have a problem" "We're entering a second generation of 'no progress' in terms of manned space flight, in fact, we've regressed" "We're going back to the moon...and very specifically planned not to learn anything new. I'm really troubled by that" ....Burt Rutan Video stream of his speech. http://www.liftportenergy.com/?q=avi...n-inspiring-sp ace-development So? What's your point? Well...eh hum...it would be that the "Vision" is a bad policy and why. What Burt said had nothing to do with the "Vision." It was a criticism of ESAS, which I share. So, again, what's your point? |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:35:47 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Aviation Visionary Burt Rutan on Inspiring Space Development Sun, 05/06/2007 - 9:16am - LiftportEnergy "I'd like to start off by saying...Houston we have a problem" "We're entering a second generation of 'no progress' in terms of manned space flight, in fact, we've regressed" "We're going back to the moon...and very specifically planned not to learn anything new. I'm really troubled by that" ....Burt Rutan Video stream of his speech. http://www.liftportenergy.com/?q=avi...an-inspiring-s p ace-development So? What's your point? Well...eh hum...it would be that the "Vision" is a bad policy and why. What Burt said had nothing to do with the "Vision." He said the Vision is a fifty year program that is specifically designed to learn nothing new. That is a condemnation of the overall goal or idea behind the Vision. Not about the technology. It was a criticism of ESAS, which I share. About ESAS, he's called it stupid, of making no sense likened it to archeology. http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra...an_060504.html So yes, he also has bad things to say about the technology. But I was referring to the goal. So, again, what's your point? Well....eh hum, that it's not only bad policy, but as you just pointed out, ALSO bad technology. Thanks! s |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:02:18 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:35:47 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Aviation Visionary Burt Rutan on Inspiring Space Development Sun, 05/06/2007 - 9:16am - LiftportEnergy "I'd like to start off by saying...Houston we have a problem" "We're entering a second generation of 'no progress' in terms of manned space flight, in fact, we've regressed" "We're going back to the moon...and very specifically planned not to learn anything new. I'm really troubled by that" ....Burt Rutan Video stream of his speech. http://www.liftportenergy.com/?q=avi...an-inspiring-s p ace-development So? What's your point? Well...eh hum...it would be that the "Vision" is a bad policy and why. What Burt said had nothing to do with the "Vision." He said the Vision is a fifty year program that is specifically designed to learn nothing new. If he said that, he's full of ****. He doesn't even know what the "Vision" is. It was a criticism of ESAS, which I share. About ESAS, he's called it stupid, of making no sense likened it to archeology. http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra...an_060504.html I agree with that. But that's ESAS, not VSE. |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
"Jonathan" wrote in message ... "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:35:47 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Aviation Visionary Burt Rutan on Inspiring Space Development Sun, 05/06/2007 - 9:16am - LiftportEnergy "I'd like to start off by saying...Houston we have a problem" "We're entering a second generation of 'no progress' in terms of manned space flight, in fact, we've regressed" "We're going back to the moon...and very specifically planned not to learn anything new. I'm really troubled by that" ....Burt Rutan Video stream of his speech. http://www.liftportenergy.com/?q=avi...an-inspiring-s p ace-development So? What's your point? Well...eh hum...it would be that the "Vision" is a bad policy and why. What Burt said had nothing to do with the "Vision." He said the Vision is a fifty year program that is specifically designed to learn nothing new. That is a condemnation of the overall goal or idea behind the Vision. Not about the technology. It was a criticism of ESAS, which I share. About ESAS, he's called it stupid, of making no sense likened it to archeology. http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra...an_060504.html So yes, he also has bad things to say about the technology. But I was referring to the goal. So, again, what's your point? Well....eh hum, that it's not only bad policy, but as you just pointed out, ALSO bad technology. Thanks! "The budget forecast [for NASA] is to go out and spend hundreds of billions of dollar to go to Mars and yet you don't have the courage to go back to the Hubble ... it looks like you got the wrong guys doing it," Rutan concluded. Umm, since they've decided to go back to Hubble with the Shuttle, I fail to see his point. George |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
George wrote: Umm, since they've decided to go back to Hubble with the Shuttle, I fail to see his point. It's on top of his house. Pat |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
It was a
criticism of ESAS, which I share. About ESAS, he's called it stupid, of making no sense likened it to archeology. http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra...an_060504.html I agree with that. But that's ESAS, not VSE. Watch the video, its great fun. Rutan is a fun speaker. While one might not agree with everything he says, he has lots of interesting points and he expresses them well. His critiquie isnt aimed at VSE, he never mentions this specifically, basically his views pretty much align with goals of VSE. He critizices lack of progress in space technology, which is tied to ESAS. -kert |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
On 24 May 2007 06:31:36 -0700, in a place far, far away, kert
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: It was a criticism of ESAS, which I share. About ESAS, he's called it stupid, of making no sense likened it to archeology. http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra...an_060504.html I agree with that. But that's ESAS, not VSE. Watch the video, its great fun. Rutan is a fun speaker. While one might not agree with everything he says, he has lots of interesting points and he expresses them well. If that's the speech he gave at the ISDC in LA last year, I was in attendance. |
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