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Old April 22nd 10, 12:34 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle
jonathan
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Remarks by NASA Administrator Charles F. Bolden, Jr.
as taken from NASA's website:


"At the highest level, the President and his staff as well as
my NASA senior leadership team closely reviewed the
Augustine Committee report, and they came to the same
realization the Committee concluded: The Constellation
program was on an unsustainable trajectory. If we continued
on our current course, at best we would have ended up flying
a handful of astronauts to the moon sometime after 2030.
But to accomplish even that limited task, we would have had
to make even deeper cuts to the other parts of NASA's budget,
terminating support of the ISS early and decimating our
science and aeronautics efforts. Further, we would have had
no money to advance the state of the art in any of the technology
areas that we need to enable us to do new things in space -
no money to lower the cost of access to space, no money for
closedloop life support, no money for advanced propulsion
technology, no money for radiation protection. The President
recognized that what was truly needed for beyond LEO exploration
was game-changing technologies; making the fundamental investments
that will provide the foundation for the next half-century of American
leadership in space exploration. In doing so, the President put forward
what I believe to be the most authentically visionary policy for
real human space exploration that we have ever had."

"Some have argued that the Constellation program was the symbol
of American leadership in space. I think they have been misled.
An unsustainable program, as described in the Augustine Committee
Report, with no funding planned to support the ISS beyond 2015
and no definitive, funded plans for a heavy lift launch vehicle necessary
for exploration beyond low Earth orbit can hardly be considered a symbol
of American leadership in space. U.S permanent human presence in space
and our international human spaceflight partnership would have ended
or been totally dependent on the Russians for the foreseeable future.
'That is not American leadership in my book. Under the new plan, however,
we will ensure continuous American presence in space
throughout this entire decade, re-establish a robust and competitive
American launch industry, start a major heavy lift R&D program years
earlier, and build a real technological foundation for sustainable
beyond-LEO exploration. That to me is real leadership, and our
international partners already recognize it."
http://www.spaceenergy.com/Announcem....aspx?ID=43043




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Old April 22nd 10, 08:27 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle
Brian Gaff
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Default Bolden Defends New NASA Budget

We know all that, but the real problem was and still is, how much the
leadership of your country wants to spend. If you really wanted it all, you
could have it by throwing money and expertise at the problems. If you are
limited in funds then the statement below is correct.

Brian

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Remarks by NASA Administrator Charles F. Bolden, Jr.
as taken from NASA's website:


"At the highest level, the President and his staff as well as
my NASA senior leadership team closely reviewed the
Augustine Committee report, and they came to the same
realization the Committee concluded: The Constellation
program was on an unsustainable trajectory. If we continued
on our current course, at best we would have ended up flying
a handful of astronauts to the moon sometime after 2030.
But to accomplish even that limited task, we would have had
to make even deeper cuts to the other parts of NASA's budget,
terminating support of the ISS early and decimating our
science and aeronautics efforts. Further, we would have had
no money to advance the state of the art in any of the technology
areas that we need to enable us to do new things in space -
no money to lower the cost of access to space, no money for
closedloop life support, no money for advanced propulsion
technology, no money for radiation protection. The President
recognized that what was truly needed for beyond LEO exploration
was game-changing technologies; making the fundamental investments
that will provide the foundation for the next half-century of American
leadership in space exploration. In doing so, the President put forward
what I believe to be the most authentically visionary policy for
real human space exploration that we have ever had."

"Some have argued that the Constellation program was the symbol
of American leadership in space. I think they have been misled.
An unsustainable program, as described in the Augustine Committee
Report, with no funding planned to support the ISS beyond 2015
and no definitive, funded plans for a heavy lift launch vehicle necessary
for exploration beyond low Earth orbit can hardly be considered a symbol
of American leadership in space. U.S permanent human presence in space
and our international human spaceflight partnership would have ended
or been totally dependent on the Russians for the foreseeable future.
'That is not American leadership in my book. Under the new plan, however,
we will ensure continuous American presence in space
throughout this entire decade, re-establish a robust and competitive
American launch industry, start a major heavy lift R&D program years
earlier, and build a real technological foundation for sustainable
beyond-LEO exploration. That to me is real leadership, and our
international partners already recognize it."
http://www.spaceenergy.com/Announcem....aspx?ID=43043






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Old April 22nd 10, 11:49 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle
Pat Flannery
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Default Bolden Defends New NASA Budget

On 4/22/2010 11:27 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:
We know all that, but the real problem was and still is, how much the
leadership of your country wants to spend. If you really wanted it all, you
could have it by throwing money and expertise at the problems. If you are
limited in funds then the statement below is correct.


Senator Shelby is out to kick Bolden's ass:
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...ne-nasa-budget
Giving God-Damn Moon to God-Damn Godless Chinese.

"The senator later invoked the words of Albert Einstein, noting the
White House's new vision for NASA embodies the scientist's definition of
"insanity," which he said meant, "doing the same things over and over
and expecting a different result." "

You know, like going back to the Moon and seeing if any life has evolved
there yet.

Pat
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Old April 23rd 10, 12:07 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle
bob haller safety advocate
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On Apr 22, 6:49�pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 4/22/2010 11:27 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:

We know all that, but the real problem was and still is, how much the
leadership of your country wants to spend. If you really wanted it all, you
could have it by throwing money and expertise at the problems. If you are
limited in funds then the statement below is correct.


Senator Shelby is out to kick Bolden's ass:http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...51-shelby-whac...
Giving God-Damn Moon to God-Damn Godless Chinese.

"The senator later invoked the words of Albert Einstein, noting the
White House's new vision for NASA embodies the scientist's definition of
"insanity," which he said meant, "doing the same things over and over
and expecting a different result." "

You know, like going back to the Moon and seeing if any life has evolved
there yet.

Pat


I wonder how the moons atmosphere has changed after all these years?

DONT LAUGH it had a thin atmosphere of apollo lander engine exhaust.

I wonder if any of it is still there?

on a more serious note is there anywhere on the net info from the
laser reflectors left as the last remaining experiments?

I wonder about the data, have the recent volcanoes and earthquakes had
ANY effect of the distance?
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Old April 23rd 10, 01:28 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle
bob haller safety advocate
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Default Bolden Defends New NASA Budget

On Apr 23, 8:46�pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"bob haller safety advocate" wrote in ...
On Apr 22, 6:49?pm, Pat Flannery wrote:



You know, like going back to the Moon and seeing if any life has evolved
there yet.


Pat

I wonder how the moons atmosphere has changed after all these years?
DONT LAUGH it had a thin atmosphere of apollo lander engine exhaust.
I wonder if any of it is still there?


Or my favorite, looking for water on the Moon.

(sarcasm alert)
Hey, maybe then we should start looking for..ah..well
damn, I can't think of an analogy as stupid as
looking for water on the freaking Moon.

Rocks from Jupiter maybe?
Building castles in the middle of a swamp?

s


There MIGHT be water, in the bottoms of permanetely dark and frozen
craters.
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Old April 24th 10, 12:06 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle
jonathan
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"bob haller safety advocate" wrote in message
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There MIGHT be water, in the bottoms of permanently dark and frozen
craters.


I understand the reasoning, that finding even traces might help
a colony be more affordable. But the data should be highly
suspect as those experiments were clearly politically motivated
in order to justify The Vision.

Large scale mining operations on the Moon would be
optimistically 50 years away. No one could possibly
predict what the societal, political or technological issues
would be t h a t f a r o u t. No politician could possibly
make an expensive promise now that has any chance
of being kept by every administration until then.

Politicians rarely enough can keep their own promises.
The idea didn't even pass a laugh test.

Our very existence and future must clearly be at stake
for such things to have a chance. ( please see below)

Jonathan


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and the U.S. Government claiming the planet's absolute peak
will occur somewhere around 2037"
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Old April 24th 10, 01:46 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle
jonathan
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Default Bolden Defends New NASA Budget


"bob haller safety advocate" wrote in message
...
On Apr 22, 6:49?pm, Pat Flannery wrote:


You know, like going back to the Moon and seeing if any life has evolved
there yet.

Pat


I wonder how the moons atmosphere has changed after all these years?


DONT LAUGH it had a thin atmosphere of apollo lander engine exhaust.


I wonder if any of it is still there?



Or my favorite, looking for water on the Moon.

(sarcasm alert)
Hey, maybe then we should start looking for..ah..well
damn, I can't think of an analogy as stupid as
looking for water on the freaking Moon.

Rocks from Jupiter maybe?
Building castles in the middle of a swamp?

s


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Old April 24th 10, 02:32 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle
Glen Overby[_1_]
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Jonathan wrote:
would be t h a t f a r o u t. No politician could possibly
make an expensive promise now that has any chance
of being kept by every administration until then.


Healthcare?

Social Security has been kept for that long.

Glen
 




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