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NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS
On Dec 16, 1:20*am, "Matt Wiser" wrote:
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in messagenews:n9ele750mt3jtvn2eh1ii8oj4o86gbq2t0@4ax .com... bob haller wrote: so you believe that while cutting medicare and social security for the masses congress will increase or even not cut space spending? When did they "cut Medicare and social security for the masses". Reality doesn't even begin to intrude into your delusional little world, does it? http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/12/...ity-is-still-f... -apart/?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-sb-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D120433 read and attempt to understand the part where benefits are forcibly reduced I'll just note that it doesn't support what you've claimed. *Nobody has cut Medicare or Social Security. *Perhaps you could quote the part of the article you think supports that claim and tell us just who "they" are? -- "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is *only stupid." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine Fred, "they" exist in the bobbert's head and nowhere else. Like Clueless Cobb over on rec.aviation.military, the bobbert lives in his fantasy world, and when reality intrudes upon it, it's either ignored, casually dismissed, or spun to fit the fantasy of the day. fantasy is believing fiancial things will continue as usual for our country...... if spending isnt slashed dramatically our country will eventually collapse. bankrupt belly up, unable to do anything, space included all spending will be cut, including the entitlements and things that lack national voter support will be cut more..... when your cutting the average joes social security and medicare benefits spending on space anything will take a big hit too. now fred can continue to live in a dreamworld, since he lives in fantasy land anyway |
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NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS
In article 101f6603-de16-4de5-a30b-5e4656d38db1
@i6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com, says... Theres no reason a stratlauncher couldnt be upscaled, to say 4 times its planned size for even bigger heavier payloads..... if the cost per pound is cheap enough. Unsupported assertion. There are limits to how big you can make an aircraft. It's no surprise that Stratolaunch is building a carrier aircraft with *less* payload capacity than an An-225. Jeff -- " Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. " - tinker |
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On Dec 16, 8:16*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article , says... On 14/12/2011 7:37 PM, Matt Wiser wrote: Maybe there wouldn't be the venom directed at him if he was playing catchup to an outfit like Boeing or ULA in this regard, maybe not. Until he flies people to LEO and brings them home, he's an "amateur hobbyist" as one congressman said when this whole commercial crew concept got going. Other than you, who has been directing venom at Elong Musk or SpaceX? Meanwhile Wiser supports SLS/Orion, which is the biggest socialistic space program since the space shuttle. *Apparently neither Wiser nor the politicians remember the pain and suffering the shuttle program caused commercial and military payloads. *We should not be repeating the mistakes we've made in the past. Jeff -- " Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it * up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. " * *- tinker When political reality collides with idealism, guess who wins? As things stand right now, SLS and Orion have the politics behind them. Musk doesn't. Simple as that. When he starts flying people and bringing them back safely, then he'll get the accolades that will be richly deserved. Until then, he's an amateur. At least Burt Rutan put someone into a sub-orbital flight. Until Musk goes further with a crewed demo flight (or two, or three)...he hasn't earned the trust that NASA has earned the past 50 years. Like the Commercial Space Federation said at their symposium last year: "Stop talking and Start Flying." |
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"Matt Wiser" wrote in message
... When political reality collides with idealism, guess who wins? As things stand right now, SLS and Orion have the politics behind them. Musk doesn't. Simple as that. When he starts flying people and bringing them back safely, then he'll get the accolades that will be richly deserved. Until then, he's an amateur. At least Burt Rutan put someone into a sub-orbital flight. Until Musk goes further with a crewed demo flight (or two, or three)...he hasn't earned the trust that NASA has earned the past 50 years. Like the Commercial Space Federation said at their symposium last year: "Stop talking and Start Flying." Let's see. How many flights has Falcon 9 had? 2. How many has SLS had? 0. When's the next Falcon 9 flight scheduled? Next Feb. When is SLS scheduled? "Err, sometime in the future." I'd say Musk is flying and NASA is talking. -- Greg D. Moore President Green Mountain Software http://www.greenms.com Help honor our WWII Veterans: http://www.honorflight.org/ Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. |
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On Dec 16, 1:12*pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote: "Matt Wiser" *wrote in message ... When political reality collides with idealism, guess who wins? As things stand right now, SLS and Orion have the politics behind them. Musk doesn't. Simple as that. When he starts flying people and bringing them back safely, then he'll get the accolades that will be richly deserved. Until then, he's an amateur. At least Burt Rutan put someone into a sub-orbital flight. Until Musk goes further with a crewed demo flight (or two, or three)...he hasn't earned the trust that NASA has earned the past 50 years. Like the Commercial Space Federation said at their symposium last year: "Stop talking and Start Flying." Let's see. *How many flights has Falcon 9 had? *2. How many has SLS had? 0. When's the next Falcon 9 flight scheduled? *Next Feb. When is SLS scheduled? "Err, sometime in the future." I'd say Musk is flying and NASA is talking. -- Greg D. Moore * President * * * * * * * * * Green Mountain Softwarehttp://www.greenms.com Help honor our WWII Veterans:http://www.honorflight.org/ Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. For now. When Musk flies people and returns them safely as part of his flight test program, then you can say that he has a capability that he can offer paying customers. Until then..... Congress has more confidence in NASA than it does Musk. Why do you think they fully funded SLS and Orion and gave the Commercial Crew side only 45% of the funds requested-and $100 Mil of that is held up until NASA ID's the destinations BEO that they intend to fly to. Not "study" or "workshop presentations. Actually come out and say where NASA is going to fly exploration missions. And personally, I'm more comfortable with an established firm like Boeing or Orbital Science handling the crew side than I am Space X. Those firms have been around the block and know what they're doing. As Capt. Gene Cernan said in Congressional testimony regarding the startups: "They don't know what they don't know." Translation: they will learn things the hard way, just as NASA did back in the early days. |
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On 17/12/2011 7:46 AM, Matt Wiser wrote:
When political reality collides with idealism, guess who wins? As things stand right now, SLS and Orion have the politics behind them. You mean like Constellation had political support? |
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On Dec 17, 1:39*am, Matt Wiser wrote:
On Dec 16, 1:12*pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote: "Matt Wiser" *wrote in message .... When political reality collides with idealism, guess who wins? As things stand right now, SLS and Orion have the politics behind them. Musk doesn't. Simple as that. When he starts flying people and bringing them back safely, then he'll get the accolades that will be richly deserved. Until then, he's an amateur. At least Burt Rutan put someone into a sub-orbital flight. Until Musk goes further with a crewed demo flight (or two, or three)...he hasn't earned the trust that NASA has earned the past 50 years. Like the Commercial Space Federation said at their symposium last year: "Stop talking and Start Flying." Let's see. *How many flights has Falcon 9 had? *2. How many has SLS had? 0. When's the next Falcon 9 flight scheduled? *Next Feb. When is SLS scheduled? "Err, sometime in the future." I'd say Musk is flying and NASA is talking. -- Greg D. Moore * President * * * * * * * * * Green Mountain Softwarehttp://www.greenms.com Help honor our WWII Veterans:http://www.honorflight.org/ Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. For now. When Musk flies people and returns them safely as part of his flight test program, then you can say that he has a capability that he can offer paying customers. Until then..... Congress has more confidence in NASA than it does Musk. Why do you think they fully funded SLS and Orion and gave the Commercial Crew side only 45% of the funds requested-and $100 Mil of that is held up until NASA ID's the destinations BEO that they intend to fly to. Not "study" or "workshop presentations. Actually come out and say where NASA is going to fly exploration missions. And personally, I'm more comfortable with an established firm like Boeing or Orbital Science handling the crew side than I am Space X. Those firms have been around the block and know what they're doing. As Capt. Gene Cernan said in Congressional testimony regarding the startups: "They don't know what they don't know." Translation: they will learn things the hard way, just as NASA did back in the early days.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - well its not like the lessons nasa has learned since its beginning a secret. most are public record, and commercial firms know about the major losses and causes. some people here may talk down the new commercial firms because they can cost the old established companies like boeing with their costs plus contracts....... and vendors suppliers etc will shrink and change. everyone might as well accept and welcome the new commercial firms, because things are changing |
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NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS
On Dec 17, 4:02*am, Alan Erskine wrote:
On 17/12/2011 7:46 AM, Matt Wiser wrote: When political reality collides with idealism, guess who wins? As things stand right now, SLS and Orion have the politics behind them. You mean like Constellation had political support? Yes, it did. Remember the fight over Obama's original FY 11 budget? Most of the opposition came from CxP supporters-both out of Congress and in both Houses. Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX), Sen Mary Landreau (D-LA), Sen. David Vitter (R-LA), Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL); the only member of Congress who's a former Astronaut all led the fight-along with just about every other Senator or House member who had CxP work going on in his or her district. And even Rep. Gabby Giffords, before she nearly fell victim to an assassination attempt, led the fight in the House to save CxP. Heavy industry lobbying, lots of Congrescritters in affected districts coming out against it, you name it. SLS and Orion is the result: SLS is essentially the light variant of Ares V that the Augustine Committee recommended as their preferred HLV option. |
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