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Paul Draper, what is mass, fundamentally?
On Jan 27, 6:09*pm, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jan 27, 2:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: On Jan 27, 4:47*pm, Eric Gisse wrote: Dear Eric: *If anyone, including YOU, had grasped Newtonian physics, they would have realized that the supposed "Universal" (sic) Law of Gravity isn't mass and distance determined, but photon-exchange determined. *Because I have DISPROVED Newton's equation for his Second Law of Motion, F = ma^2 [The correct equation is: F = v/32.174 (m).], Congratulations on disproving F = ma^2. Newton's second law is F = ma. Which works rather well. [...] Dear Eric: I was at the end of a hard day, made that typo and then just corrected it, BEFORE I saw your reply that follows. I commend you for reading what I write. — NE — |
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Paul Draper, what is mass, fundamentally?
On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote:
On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: CORRECTION: *Newton's 2nd Law of Motion has a useless equation (produces no useful data) that is F = ma... NOT F = ma^2! *I've written Coriolis's KE = 1/2 mv^2 so many times that my fingers didn't type what my mind knows. Which, all things being equal, is not all that much. *Note: The WORD version of Newton's 2nd Law is correct: "For every constantly applied force on an object, there will be a corresponding acceleration in the same direction as the force." *The reason my correct equation F = v/32.174 (m) uses VELOCITY (instead of "acceleration") is because the convention for expressing acceleration is to state the VELOCITY at the end of the first second. That makes the FORCE proportional to relative first second VELOCITY, which is analogous to the constant acceleration. *Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. *— NoEinstein — You have not managed actually disprove F=ma, or anything related to Newtonian mechanics. Your errors wouldn't survive scrutiny in a high school physics lab. BTW, learn to use symbols. [jackass still top posts] |
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Paul Draper, what is mass, fundamentally?
On Jan 27, 9:53*pm, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: CORRECTION: *Newton's 2nd Law of Motion has a useless equation (produces no useful data) that is F = ma... NOT F = ma^2! *I've written Coriolis's KE = 1/2 mv^2 so many times that my fingers didn't type what my mind knows. Which, all things being equal, is not all that much. *Note: The WORD version of Newton's 2nd Law is correct: "For every constantly applied force on an object, there will be a corresponding acceleration in the same direction as the force." *The reason my correct equation F = v/32.174 (m) uses VELOCITY (instead of "acceleration") is because the convention for expressing acceleration is to state the VELOCITY at the end of the first second. That makes the FORCE proportional to relative first second VELOCITY, which is analogous to the constant acceleration. *Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. *— NoEinstein — You have not managed actually disprove F=ma, or anything related to Newtonian mechanics. Your errors wouldn't survive scrutiny in a high school physics lab. BTW, learn to use symbols. [jackass still top posts] Dear Eric, Dunce 3: ***Is POUNDS the same thing as feet per second 'square'?*** That's what F = ma says; and it is CRAP! My correctly written "Second Law of Motion", says F [in pounds] = v/32.174 (m) [in POUNDS]. With pounds being on BOTH sides of the equation, the VELOCITY, and thus the ACCELERATION to cause that (first second) velocity can be calculated. NOTHING useful can be calculated by F = ma! That's because it doesn't meet the requirements of even BEING an "equation"! The two sides of Newton's God-damned "equation" (sic!) aren't equal, and can never be equal, as written. So, Newton, and most physicists and pseudo-physicists like you, Eric, flunk basic 'REAL' math. Ha, ha, HA! — NoEinstein — |
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Paul Draper, what is mass, fundamentally?
On 1/28/11 1:18 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
So, Newton, and most physicists and pseudo-physicists like you, Eric, flunk basic 'REAL' math. Ha, ha, HA! — NoEinstein — Newton's Second Law applies http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/phys...SecondLaw.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion F = dp/dt The motion of a particle (or train) is described by Euler's statement of Newton's second law, namely F = ma Here F is the applied force, m is the mass of the particle, and a = dv/dt is the particle's acceleration, with v being the particle's velocity. This equation, together with the principle that bodies act symmetrically on one another--so that the force particle A feels from particle B is equal to the force B feels from A--is the basis for understanding particle dynamics". "Newton's [second] law completely describes all the phenomena of classical mechanics...." Units of Force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Units_of_force include pound-force as opposed to the pound (mass). |
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On Jan 28, 11:18*am, NoEinstein wrote:
On Jan 27, 9:53*pm, Eric Gisse wrote: On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: CORRECTION: *Newton's 2nd Law of Motion has a useless equation (produces no useful data) that is F = ma... NOT F = ma^2! *I've written Coriolis's KE = 1/2 mv^2 so many times that my fingers didn't type what my mind knows. Which, all things being equal, is not all that much. *Note: The WORD version of Newton's 2nd Law is correct: "For every constantly applied force on an object, there will be a corresponding acceleration in the same direction as the force." *The reason my correct equation F = v/32.174 (m) uses VELOCITY (instead of "acceleration") is because the convention for expressing acceleration is to state the VELOCITY at the end of the first second. That makes the FORCE proportional to relative first second VELOCITY, which is analogous to the constant acceleration. *Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. *— NoEinstein — You have not managed actually disprove F=ma, or anything related to Newtonian mechanics. Your errors wouldn't survive scrutiny in a high school physics lab. BTW, learn to use symbols. [jackass still top posts] Dear Eric, Dunce 3: ***Is POUNDS the same thing as feet per second 'square'?*** Well, yes. Those are the units of the pound. Did you miss that part in high school? *That's what F = ma says; and it is CRAP! *My correctly written "Second Law of Motion", says F [in pounds] = v/32.174 (m) [in POUNDS]. Your equation cannot even correct predict how far an object would fall if I dropped it off a ledge. *With pounds being on BOTH sides of the equation, the VELOCITY, and thus the ACCELERATION to cause that (first second) velocity can be calculated. * F = ma is a differential equation, John. If you want velocity, just integrate both sides. Do you know what calculus is? NOTHING useful can be calculated by F = ma! d = 1/2 at^2 + vt comes from F = ma. Is that not useful? *That's because it doesn't meet the requirements of even BEING an "equation"! * I see symbols, I see an equals sign, and the left and right hand sides have the same units. Its' an equation all right. The two sides of Newton's God-damned "equation" (sic!) aren't equal, Well, yeah, they are. That's what the equals sign means. and can never be equal, as written. *So, Newton, and most physicists and pseudo-physicists like you, Eric, flunk basic 'REAL' math. *Ha, ha, HA! *— NoEinstein — John, you couldn't even pass a high school physics course. That much is abundantly clear. |
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Paul Draper, what is mass, fundamentally?
On Jan 27, 9:53*pm, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: CORRECTION: *Newton's 2nd Law of Motion has a useless equation (produces no useful data) that is F = ma... NOT F = ma^2! *I've written Coriolis's KE = 1/2 mv^2 so many times that my fingers didn't type what my mind knows. Which, all things being equal, is not all that much. *Note: The WORD version of Newton's 2nd Law is correct: "For every constantly applied force on an object, there will be a corresponding acceleration in the same direction as the force." *The reason my correct equation F = v/32.174 (m) uses VELOCITY (instead of "acceleration") is because the convention for expressing acceleration is to state the VELOCITY at the end of the first second. That makes the FORCE proportional to relative first second VELOCITY, which is analogous to the constant acceleration. *Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. *— NoEinstein — You have not managed actually disprove F=ma, or anything related to Newtonian mechanics. Your errors wouldn't survive scrutiny in a high school physics lab. BTW, learn to use symbols. [jackass still top posts] Dear Eric, the SHRIMP, Jewish, science flunk-out: I haven't claimed to have disproved the WORD version of Newton's 2nd Law of Motion. I've proved that his supposed equation, F = ma, isn't even an equation! That is because "forces" (in pounds) can NEVER be equated to accelerations (in feet/second^2, [sic!])!! You are from a class of psychos having the notion that you can increase your miniscule stature by trying to belittle others WITH statue in science. Show the readers your status, Eric, by correctly answering this question: "Is it ever possible to get out 4 lbs. of hamburger after grinding up only 2 lbs. of steak?” After you answer, or decline to answer, that question, no elementary school student will be holding YOU in high intellectual esteem. — NoEinstein — |
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Paul Draper, what is mass, fundamentally?
On Jan 28, 3:34*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
Dear Sam: Merely repeating an equation error by mathematically dissecting the terms making up the variables, does NOT make pounds of force and acceleration be the same thing! The only useful part of Newton's Second Law of Motion is just the MOMENTUM portion. Momentum is apt in an "acceleration" equation, because the results of any vaguely useful calculation must first convert the acceleration to the instantaneous VELOCITY at the point in question. That changes the errant equation to: F = mv, which is the textbook equation for MOMENTUM. However, that equation, also isn't an equation, because forces in pounds can't be equated to feet/second. What you, and the BONEHEADS in physics for over a century can't understand is this: "Momentum is the increase in HITTING force resulting from increasing the velocity of the object in INCREMENTS of 32.174 feet/second." The CORRECT mathematical expression of that is my own: F = v/32.174 (m). A velocity divided by a velocity becomes just a proportionality factor; and the REAL equation is POUNDS = POUNDS, which actually equates! Because I majored in structural design, I've done more basic math than the mathematicians or the physicists. Clear thinking parallels high verbal (reasoning) abilities. Architects are higher on that than most. — NoEinstein — On 1/28/11 1:18 PM, NoEinstein wrote: So, Newton, and most physicists and pseudo-physicists like you, Eric, flunk basic 'REAL' math. *Ha, ha, HA! * NoEinstein * *Newton's Second Law applies * * *http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/phys...SecondLaw.html * * *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * F = dp/dt * *The motion of a particle (or train) is described by Euler's * *statement of *Newton's second law, namely * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * F = ma * *Here F is the applied force, m is the mass of the particle, and * *a = dv/dt is the particle's acceleration, with v being the * *particle's velocity. This equation, together with the principle * *that bodies act symmetrically on one another--so that the force * *particle A feels from particle B is equal to the force B feels * *from A--is the basis for understanding particle dynamics". * *"Newton's [second] law completely describes all the phenomena of * *classical mechanics...." * *Units of Force * * *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Units_of_force * *include pound-force as opposed to the pound (mass). |
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On Jan 28, 3:39*pm, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:18*am, NoEinstein wrote: On Jan 27, 9:53*pm, Eric Gisse wrote: On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: On Jan 27, 5:19*pm, NoEinstein wrote: CORRECTION: *Newton's 2nd Law of Motion has a useless equation (produces no useful data) that is F = ma... NOT F = ma^2! *I've written Coriolis's KE = 1/2 mv^2 so many times that my fingers didn't type what my mind knows. Which, all things being equal, is not all that much. *Note: The WORD version of Newton's 2nd Law is correct: "For every constantly applied force on an object, there will be a corresponding acceleration in the same direction as the force." *The reason my correct equation F = v/32.174 (m) uses VELOCITY (instead of "acceleration") is because the convention for expressing acceleration is to state the VELOCITY at the end of the first second. That makes the FORCE proportional to relative first second VELOCITY, which is analogous to the constant acceleration. *Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. *— NoEinstein — You have not managed actually disprove F=ma, or anything related to Newtonian mechanics. Your errors wouldn't survive scrutiny in a high school physics lab. BTW, learn to use symbols. [jackass still top posts] Dear Eric, Dunce 3: ***Is POUNDS the same thing as feet per second 'square'?*** Well, yes. Those are the units of the pound. Did you miss that part in high school? Dear Dunce 3: The standard for scientific correctness isn't what the God damned Jewish publishers allow in their texts (high school texts, included)! I can assure you that my CREDENTIALS are being made evident to the readers every day. So far, your credentials relate only to your groundless put-downs of those of whom you are jealous, not to anything relating to real science. — NoEinstein — *That's what F = ma says; and it is CRAP! *My correctly written "Second Law of Motion", says F [in pounds] = v/32.174 (m) [in POUNDS]. Your equation cannot even correct predict how far an object would fall if I dropped it off a ledge. *With pounds being on BOTH sides of the equation, the VELOCITY, and thus the ACCELERATION to cause that (first second) velocity can be calculated. * F = ma is a differential equation, John. If you want velocity, just integrate both sides. Do you know what calculus is? NOTHING useful can be calculated by F = ma! d = 1/2 at^2 + vt comes from F = ma. Is that not useful? *That's because it doesn't meet the requirements of even BEING an "equation"! * I see symbols, I see an equals sign, and the left and right hand sides have the same units. Its' an equation all right. The two sides of Newton's God-damned "equation" (sic!) aren't equal, Well, yeah, they are. That's what the equals sign means. and can never be equal, as written. *So, Newton, and most physicists and pseudo-physicists like you, Eric, flunk basic 'REAL' math. *Ha, ha, HA! *— NoEinstein — John, you couldn't even pass a high school physics course. That much is abundantly clear. |
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Paul Draper, what is mass, fundamentally?
On 1/29/11 11:49 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
Dear Sam: Merely repeating an equation error by mathematically dissecting the terms making up the variables, does NOT make pounds of force and acceleration be the same thing! The only useful part of Newton's Second Law of Motion is just the MOMENTUM portion. Momentum is apt in an "acceleration" equation, because the results of any vaguely useful calculation must first convert the acceleration to the instantaneous VELOCITY at the point in question. That changes the errant equation to: F = mv, which is the textbook equation for MOMENTUM. However, that equation, also isn't an equation, because forces in pounds can't be equated to feet/second. ILLUCID |
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Paul Draper, what is mass, fundamentally?
On 1/29/11 11:27 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
I've proved that his supposed equation, F = ma, isn't even an equation! The only thing you have demonstrated, John, is that you are untutored in both physics and mathematics. |
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