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Can Gravitational Waves and Gamma Rays Come from the Same Location ofthe Sky?



 
 
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Old January 11th 20, 01:10 PM posted to sci.astro
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Default Can Gravitational Waves and Gamma Rays Come from the Same Location ofthe Sky?

"On 8:41 am EDT August 17, 2017, LIGO detected a new gravitational wave source, dubbed GW170817 to mark its discovery date. Just two seconds later NASA's Fermi satellite detected a weak pulse of gamma rays from the same location of the sky." https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2017-30

A self-evident fake. "Same location" implies that gravitational waves don't move in a straight line to Earth but absurdly follow the path of (deflected) gamma rays:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...c53af5ba9.webp

Given the 2017 "same location" fake, any subsequent neutron-star-collision scenario involves an insoluble dilemma:

If "same location" is reconfirmed, LIGO conspirators will have to explain why gravitational waves coming straight to Earth somehow vanish in massive objects and only those strictly following the curvy path of the gamma rays gloriously reach LIGO's detectors. Hopeless business - the conclusion that LIGO conspirators fake gravitational waves will be more than obvious.

If "same location" is abandoned and gravitational waves and optical signals start coming from different directions, LIGO conspirators will have to explain how "same location" occurred in 2017 - again, the conclusion that gravitational waves are faked will be more than obvious.

As can be expected, the "same location" insoluble dilemma has been carefully avoided since the GW170817 fake:

"But one of LIGO's twin detectors was offline Thursday when the gravitational wave reached Earth, making it hard for astronomers to triangulate exactly where the signal was coming from. That sent astronomers racing to image as many galaxies as they could across a region covering one-quarter of the sky." http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-...n-star-merger/

"In this case, unlike many others, LIGO and Virgo were unable to significantly narrow down the direction in the sky that the waves came from. The researchers could say only that the waves were from a wide region that covers roughly one-quarter of the sky." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01377-2

"You might wonder why we haven't seen knockout detections of electromagnetic radiation accompanying gravitational waves since the August 2017 discovery. Unfortunately, we probably just got lucky that time. “It was nearby, well-localized in space, and had everything going for it,” Berger said." https://gizmodo.com/mystery-deepens-...ace-1837581646

"The first such observation, which took place in August of 2017, made history for being the first time that both gravitational waves and light were detected from the same cosmic event. The April 25 merger, by contrast, did not result in any light being detected." https://phys.org/news/2020-01-ligo-v...tron-star.html

The speed of light is VARIABLE AS PER NEWTON, which implies that space-time doesn't exist and neither do gravitational waves (ripples in space-time). At present LIGO conspirators look powerful, even invincible, but in the long run they are doomed:

"Emission theory, also called emitter theory or ballistic theory of light, was a competing theory for the special theory of relativity, explaining the results of the Michelson–Morley experiment of 1887. [...] The name most often associated with emission theory is Isaac Newton. In his corpuscular theory Newton visualized light "corpuscles" being thrown off from hot bodies at a nominal speed of c with respect to the emitting object, and obeying the usual laws of Newtonian mechanics, and we then expect light to be moving towards us with a speed that is offset by the speed of the distant emitter (c ± v)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_theory

"To see why a deflection of light would be expected, consider Figure 2-17, which shows a beam of light entering an accelerating compartment. Successive positions of the compartment are shown at equal time intervals. Because the compartment is accelerating, the distance it moves in each time interval increases with time. The path of the beam of light, as observed from inside the compartment, is therefore a parabola. But according to the equivalence principle, there is no way to distinguish between an accelerating compartment and one with uniform velocity in a uniform gravitational field. We conclude, therefore, that A BEAM OF LIGHT WILL ACCELERATE IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD AS DO OBJECTS WITH REST MASS. For example, near the surface of Earth light will fall with acceleration 9.8 m/s^2." http://web.pdx.edu/~pmoeck/books/Tipler_Llewellyn.pdf

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Old January 11th 20, 07:51 PM posted to sci.astro
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The simultaneous arrival (only two seconds apart) of optical signals and gravitational waves in the GW170817 scenario is another self-evident fake. Even if gravitational waves existed (they don't), the simultaneous arrival would be absurd, for the following two reasons:

1. "Gravitational waves travel at the speed of light" was Eddington's 1922 fabrication - nothing to do with Einstein's general relativity:

Arthur Eddington 1922: "The problem of the propagation of disturbances of the gravitational field was investigated by Einstein in 1916, and again in 1918. It has usually been inferred from his discussion that a change in the distribution of matter produces gravitational effects which are propagated with the speed of light; but I think that Einstein really left the question of the speed of propagation rather indefinite. His analysis shows how the co-ordinates must be chosen if it is desired to represent the gravitational potentials as propagated with the speed of light; but there is nothing to indicate that the speed of light appears in the problem, except as the result of this arbitrary choice. [...] Weyl has classified plane gravitational waves into three types, viz.: (1) longitudinal-longitudinal; (2)longitudinal-transverse; (3) transverse-transverse. The present investigation leads to the conclusion that transverse-transverse waves are propagated with the speed of light in all systems of co-ordinates. Waves of the first and second types have no fixed velocity - a result which rouses suspicion as to their objective existence." http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.o...6/268.full.pdf

2. The simultaneous arrival of optical signals and gravitational waves presupposes that gravitational waves experience Shapiro delay, like optical signals, which is nonsense of course.

So, in order for the (nonexistent) gravitational waves to fit LIGO's "discoveries", they should travel hand in hand with their optical counterpart - same curvy path, same speed, same Shapiro delay. Post-truth (post-sanity) science par excellence.

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