FGB-2 ready for launch?!

Russia will launch the FGB-2 modul in 2007!

(russian version only)

http://www.spacenews.ru/spacenews/li...s.asp?id=10284

"Jens Roser" wrote in message
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Russia will launch the FGB-2 modul in 2007!

(russian version only)

http://www.spacenews.ru/spacenews/li...s.asp?id=10284

I'll believe it when I see it. I find this about as likely as the US flying
the HAB module.

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"Jens Roser" wrote

Russia will launch the FGB-2 modul in 2007!

(russian version only)

http://www.spacenews.ru/spacenews/li...s.asp?id=10284

Yes, but it also says,

[I tried to get the Russian in here, but for some reason it
didn't display correctly. Pretend that it's here.]

Which is to say, "'Financing of the completion of the
construction of this module...*will begin* in 2005...'
Perminov said..."

On or about Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:21:27 +0200, Jens Roser
made the sensational claim that:
Russia will launch the FGB-2 modul in 2007!

(russian version only)

http://www.spacenews.ru/spacenews/li...s.asp?id=10284

And a new reusable space capsule, AND a Mars mission, AND a dessert topping!

Seriously, is there anything they *can't* promise?
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"LooseChanj" wrote in message
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On or about Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:21:27 +0200, Jens Roser

made the sensational claim that:
Russia will launch the FGB-2 modul in 2007!

(russian version only)

http://www.spacenews.ru/spacenews/li...s.asp?id=10284

And a new reusable space capsule, AND a Mars mission, AND a dessert
topping!

Seriously, is there anything they *can't* promise?

No kidding, they sound just like NASA. Where's that US HAB module? Where's
the US CRV/CTV/CEV? Where's the US solar dynamic power system? Where's the
US orbital hangar? Where are the US solar power satellites? Where's the US
moon base? Where's the US Mars lander?

When in the hell are we ever going to leave LEO again?

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"Jeff Findley" wrote in message
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Seriously, is there anything they *can't* promise?

No kidding, they sound just like NASA. Where's that US HAB module?
Where's
the US CRV/CTV/CEV? Where's the US solar dynamic power system? Where's
the
US orbital hangar? Where are the US solar power satellites? Where's the
US
moon base? Where's the US Mars lander?

Difference is, most of us are cynical to not believe NASA. But many still
want to believe the Russians.



When in the hell are we ever going to leave LEO again?

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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message
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Difference is, most of us are cynical to not believe NASA. But many still
want to believe the Russians.

I don't believe the Russians anymore than NASA. They both have the same
problem. They have starry eyed dreams, but don't have the money to back up
those dreams.

The only difference is that anyone with cash can get the Russian manned
space program to do just about anything because they are so strapped for
cash. We all know $20 million buys you a seat on a Soyuz. No doubt they'd
provide more than that for more money (i.e. FGB-2 or Enterprise module for
ISS).

NASA's manned space program funding isn't as bad, so they are still, for the
most part, a government owned and operated manned space flight program.

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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote:
Difference is, most of us are cynical to not believe NASA. But many still
want to believe the Russians.

Oh, come on. Nobody would bet on the russians launching FBG-2 soon. First and
foremost, they will need to secure electrical power, either through tyheir own
SPP or by getting the USA to agree to transfer more power to the russian
segment, and that would require they wait until the truss is complete. (and
perhaps na upgrade to the Z1 power transfer hardware to increase its capacity).

It is believable that work might restart/start on the FGB-2. But until it is
on a pad, ready to be launched, nobody would really bet anything.

However, in the end, it is perhaps better to have slow motion work done on
some russian module, than have big budgets released for a USA module to be
built quickly, only to have the funding widthdrawn and then have the whole
project go on hiatus for so long that the work already done isn't worth
continuing anymore because since then, plans have changed.

Remember that the shell for the hab module has already been built, they have
test articles for a inflatable module, but now, it looks like they won't use
any of this and instead look to the italians to build modules based on MPLM toolings.

Had they had moderate fundinmg for the hab that woudln't be cut, perhaps work
would have progressed at a slow pace, but by now, they might actually have
something that could be flown.

"Jeff Findley" wrote:
[...]
The only difference is that anyone with cash can get the Russian manned
space program to do just about anything because they are so strapped for
cash. We all know $20 million buys you a seat on a Soyuz. No doubt they'd
provide more than that for more money (i.e. FGB-2 or Enterprise module for
ISS).

Howsabout we get school kids to donate pennies, until we have enough
to buy a spare Soyuz? Or at least a Progress? Have a non-profit get
the title, and lease it to the tourist broker as an additional
training unit (especially if it is a Soyuz), and then we can swap it
in when something takes the normal-flow capsule offline.

/dps

"dave schneider" wrote in message
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"Jeff Findley" wrote:
[...]
The only difference is that anyone with cash can get the Russian manned
space program to do just about anything because they are so strapped for
cash. We all know $20 million buys you a seat on a Soyuz. No doubt
they'd
provide more than that for more money (i.e. FGB-2 or Enterprise module
for
ISS).

Howsabout we get school kids to donate pennies, until we have enough
to buy a spare Soyuz? Or at least a Progress? Have a non-profit get
the title, and lease it to the tourist broker as an additional
training unit (especially if it is a Soyuz), and then we can swap it
in when something takes the normal-flow capsule offline.

I doubt kids would donate pennies for such a cause. Human spaceflight is,
after all, paid for by the government, it's not a charity. At least, that's
the prevailing attitude in the US.

I think the "giggle factor" of private, manned, orbital spaceflight is still
there for people who aren't rich, which is the majority of the US. Unless
you've got millions of dollars, the "giggle factor" is likely there for
suborbital spaceflight as well. What "Joe sixpack" would even think of
blowing $200k on a suborbital flight? The median price of a house in the US
isn't far above that. Considering the house "Joe sixpack" lives in isn't
likely to be completely paid for, where's he going to get $200k?

I really do believe that private manned spaceflight will "take off", but it
will be for "millionaires only" for decades to come...

Jeff
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