OT japans nuclear plant was known to be at risk

Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant failed to take
preventive measures after a backup generator was inundated by a
leaking pipe 20 years ago.

Former employees of the Tokyo Electric Power Company told NHK that the
problem occurred in October 1991.

They said water leaked from a pipe and entered the basement of the
Number 1 reactor's turbine building. This caused the failure of one of
the two backup generators.

A former engineer at the Fukushima plant said he told his superiors
that tsunami could damage the emergency generators in the basement, as
the turbine buildings are close to the sea.

TEPCO installed doors to block water leaks in the rooms hosting the
backup generators, but did not move them above ground to avoid tsunami
damage.

The plant's reactor cooling system failed when the emergency
generators in the basement were inundated by the March 11th tsunami.
All power sources were lost.

Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission says it will revise the safety
guidelines for designing nuclear plants and require the installation
of additional power sources.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 13:18 +0900 (JST)

Le 29/12/11 17:49, Fred J. McCall a écrit :
bob wrote:

Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991


It's all down and cold.

No.

We're all still here.

You are. The japanese will start dying in a few years from now,
I would say 3-4 years. As you (may) know, cancer is a sickness
that takes some time to manifest.

The radioactivity is being carried by the wind into most of the
surrounding areas, specially into Tokyo. Since it is invisible
and its concentration depends on where the wind deposits the
radioactive soil you can have nothing here and an enormous
radioactive spot 100 meters away.

The radioactive contamination of the Fukushima prefecture
is so high that the first deaths will appear there maybe beginning
2013 already. That zone will remain radioactive for a few thousand
years unless unknown science is developed that allows to completely
decontaminate the surface.

The pacific waters near the plant are contaminated with certainty.
That will slowly enter the plancton, then the fish, then the
people that eat that fish.

Give it up, Chicken



Bobbert.

On Dec 29, 1:50*pm, jacob navia wrote:
Le 29/12/11 17:49, Fred J. McCall a écrit :

bob *wrote:

Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991

It's all down and cold.

No.

We're all still here.

You are. The japanese will start dying in a few years from now,
I would say 3-4 years. As you (may) know, cancer is a sickness
that takes some time to manifest.

The radioactivity is being carried by the wind into most of the
surrounding areas, specially into Tokyo. Since it is invisible
and its concentration depends on where the wind deposits the
radioactive soil you can have nothing here and an enormous
radioactive spot 100 meters away.

The radioactive contamination of the Fukushima prefecture
is so high that the first deaths will appear there maybe beginning
2013 already. That zone will remain radioactive for a few thousand
years unless unknown science is developed that allows to completely
decontaminate the surface.

The pacific waters near the plant are contaminated with certainty.
That will slowly enter the plancton, then the fish, then the
people that eat that fish.

* Give it up, Chicken



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plus theres another 40 years of clean up, and the containments appear
to have failed.

with a bit of bad luck japans nuclear crisis may be back on world
news.

japan has no where to store the clean up debris. wonder if they could
be turned into blocks of concrete and shipped to the bikini atoll area
which is already contaminated by above ground testing?

On Dec 29, 5:44*am, bob haller wrote:
Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant failed to take
preventive measures after a backup generator was inundated by a
leaking pipe 20 years ago.

Former employees of the Tokyo Electric Power Company told NHK that the
problem occurred in October 1991.

They said water leaked from a pipe and entered the basement of the
Number 1 reactor's turbine building. This caused the failure of one of
the two backup generators.

A former engineer at the Fukushima plant said he told his superiors
that tsunami could damage the emergency generators in the basement, as
the turbine buildings are close to the sea.

TEPCO installed doors to block water leaks in the rooms hosting the
backup generators, but did not move them above ground to avoid tsunami
damage.

The plant's reactor cooling system failed when the emergency
generators in the basement were inundated by the March 11th tsunami.
All power sources were lost.

Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission says it will revise the safety
guidelines for designing nuclear plants and require the installation
of additional power sources.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 13:18 +0900 (JST)

GE did a fine job of configuring those reactors to begin with, and
ever since there has been hardly if any upgrades or logical
improvements. So, Japan got exactly what they paid for, and GE made a
small fortune.

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On Dec 29, 4:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 29, 5:44*am, bob haller wrote:





Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant failed to take
preventive measures after a backup generator was inundated by a
leaking pipe 20 years ago.

Former employees of the Tokyo Electric Power Company told NHK that the
problem occurred in October 1991.

They said water leaked from a pipe and entered the basement of the
Number 1 reactor's turbine building. This caused the failure of one of
the two backup generators.

A former engineer at the Fukushima plant said he told his superiors
that tsunami could damage the emergency generators in the basement, as
the turbine buildings are close to the sea.

TEPCO installed doors to block water leaks in the rooms hosting the
backup generators, but did not move them above ground to avoid tsunami
damage.

The plant's reactor cooling system failed when the emergency
generators in the basement were inundated by the March 11th tsunami.
All power sources were lost.

Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission says it will revise the safety
guidelines for designing nuclear plants and require the installation
of additional power sources.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 13:18 +0900 (JST)

GE did a fine job of configuring those reactors to begin with, and
ever since there has been hardly if any upgrades or logical
improvements. *So, Japan got exactly what they paid for, and GE made a
small fortune.

*http://translate.google.com/#
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just look at the chernobyl cancer rates and realize japans meltdown
was far worse than chernobyl.

chernobyl was a single reactor that was nearly brand new

while japan was 4 40 year old reactors and storage pools

On Dec 29, 10:50*am, jacob navia wrote:
Le 29/12/11 17:49, Fred J. McCall a écrit :

bob *wrote:

Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991

It's all down and cold.

No.

We're all still here.

You are. The japanese will start dying in a few years from now,
I would say 3-4 years. As you (may) know, cancer is a sickness
that takes some time to manifest.

The radioactivity is being carried by the wind into most of the
surrounding areas, specially into Tokyo. Since it is invisible
and its concentration depends on where the wind deposits the
radioactive soil you can have nothing here and an enormous
radioactive spot 100 meters away.

The radioactive contamination of the Fukushima prefecture
is so high that the first deaths will appear there maybe beginning
2013 already. That zone will remain radioactive for a few thousand
years unless unknown science is developed that allows to completely
decontaminate the surface.

The pacific waters near the plant are contaminated with certainty.
That will slowly enter the plancton, then the fish, then the
people that eat that fish.

* Give it up, Chicken







Bobbert.

If your a youngish man, a move to New Zealand or similar might
be in order.

On Dec 29, 5:44*am, bob haller wrote:
Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant failed to take
preventive measures after a backup generator was inundated by a
leaking pipe 20 years ago.

Former employees of the Tokyo Electric Power Company told NHK that the
problem occurred in October 1991.

They said water leaked from a pipe and entered the basement of the
Number 1 reactor's turbine building. This caused the failure of one of
the two backup generators.

A former engineer at the Fukushima plant said he told his superiors
that tsunami could damage the emergency generators in the basement, as
the turbine buildings are close to the sea.

TEPCO installed doors to block water leaks in the rooms hosting the
backup generators, but did not move them above ground to avoid tsunami
damage.

The plant's reactor cooling system failed when the emergency
generators in the basement were inundated by the March 11th tsunami.
All power sources were lost.

Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission says it will revise the safety
guidelines for designing nuclear plants and require the installation
of additional power sources.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 13:18 +0900 (JST)

It maybe the earthquake nailed the reactor(S) and the wave damage is
little
more than an after thought for use by the utility PR boys.

Bloody memory, I don't recall the details as I
like......................Trig

On Dec 29, 4:00*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Dec 29, 4:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 29, 5:44*am, bob haller wrote:

Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant failed to take
preventive measures after a backup generator was inundated by a
leaking pipe 20 years ago.

Former employees of the Tokyo Electric Power Company told NHK that the
problem occurred in October 1991.

They said water leaked from a pipe and entered the basement of the
Number 1 reactor's turbine building. This caused the failure of one of
the two backup generators.

A former engineer at the Fukushima plant said he told his superiors
that tsunami could damage the emergency generators in the basement, as
the turbine buildings are close to the sea.

TEPCO installed doors to block water leaks in the rooms hosting the
backup generators, but did not move them above ground to avoid tsunami
damage.

The plant's reactor cooling system failed when the emergency
generators in the basement were inundated by the March 11th tsunami.
All power sources were lost.

Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission says it will revise the safety
guidelines for designing nuclear plants and require the installation
of additional power sources.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 13:18 +0900 (JST)

GE did a fine job of configuring those reactors to begin with, and
ever since there has been hardly if any upgrades or logical
improvements. *So, Japan got exactly what they paid for, and GE made a
small fortune.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

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just look at the chernobyl cancer rates and realize japans meltdown
was far worse than chernobyl.

Utter hogwash. *Chernobyl was a much, much worse accident.



chernobyl was a single reactor that was nearly brand new

while japan was 4 40 year old reactors and storage pools

And the comparative radiation release between Chernobyl, where the
core actually caught fire and exploded, and what was released at
Fukishima is?

Afraid this is yet another Bobbert claim that raises the cry of
"Bull****!"

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
*your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Mark Twain

What ever that goes volatile at 5000K in three different
melted cores? The cesium isotopes for sure. 20 isotopes
were detected in France. The iodine isotopes for sure. Tellurium for
sure.
And some PU from the MOX fuel as I recall though I haven't located
a confirmation. 176 Lu, 138 La, and 40 K were also mentioned.

However, 95 Zr, 99 Mo, 140 Ba, or 144 Ce weren't detected by the
French. It seems the release was largely the volatile radionuclides
and the noble radioactive isotopes.

There seem to be paucity of reports from Japan.
Here a map for consideration:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15691571

If one uses the Soviet standard a pretty big chunk of Japan will
be an exclusion zone or should be.

I wonder what we actually got here on the West coast of NA?

On Dec 29, 7:00*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Dec 29, 4:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 29, 5:44*am, bob haller wrote:

Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant failed to take
preventive measures after a backup generator was inundated by a
leaking pipe 20 years ago.

Former employees of the Tokyo Electric Power Company told NHK that the
problem occurred in October 1991.

They said water leaked from a pipe and entered the basement of the
Number 1 reactor's turbine building. This caused the failure of one of
the two backup generators.

A former engineer at the Fukushima plant said he told his superiors
that tsunami could damage the emergency generators in the basement, as
the turbine buildings are close to the sea.

TEPCO installed doors to block water leaks in the rooms hosting the
backup generators, but did not move them above ground to avoid tsunami
damage.

The plant's reactor cooling system failed when the emergency
generators in the basement were inundated by the March 11th tsunami.
All power sources were lost.

Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission says it will revise the safety
guidelines for designing nuclear plants and require the installation
of additional power sources.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 13:18 +0900 (JST)

GE did a fine job of configuring those reactors to begin with, and
ever since there has been hardly if any upgrades or logical
improvements. *So, Japan got exactly what they paid for, and GE made a
small fortune.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

just look at the chernobyl cancer rates and realize japans meltdown
was far worse than chernobyl.

Utter hogwash. *Chernobyl was a much, much worse accident.



chernobyl was a single reactor that was nearly brand new

while japan was 4 40 year old reactors and storage pools

And the comparative radiation release between Chernobyl, where the
core actually caught fire and exploded, and what was released at
Fukishima is?

Afraid this is yet another Bobbert claim that raises the cry of
"Bull****!"

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
*your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Mark Twain- Hide quoted text -

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theres no real way to quantify the radiation leak into the ocean, and
as of now no one knows how badly the containment is breached, just
that they have failed....

my long term prediction, major structural containment failure with
parts of the melted down core under the buildings.

locating by the ocean may have prevented a total explosion destroying
the entire plant.

once the melting down core got thru the bottom of the containment the
high ground water level because its by the ocean made the entire mess
self cooling.

lets not forget GE engineers predicted a containment leak for this
design of reactors because they were built to save bucks, and the
engineers quit over the issue.

worse some of the storage pools exploded and burned, releasing 40
years of waste core nuke waste

On Dec 30, 6:49*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Dec 29, 7:00*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Dec 29, 4:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 29, 5:44*am, bob haller wrote:

Fukushima plant's backup generator failed in 1991

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant failed to take
preventive measures after a backup generator was inundated by a
leaking pipe 20 years ago.

Former employees of the Tokyo Electric Power Company told NHK that the
problem occurred in October 1991.

They said water leaked from a pipe and entered the basement of the
Number 1 reactor's turbine building. This caused the failure of one of
the two backup generators.

A former engineer at the Fukushima plant said he told his superiors
that tsunami could damage the emergency generators in the basement, as
the turbine buildings are close to the sea.

TEPCO installed doors to block water leaks in the rooms hosting the
backup generators, but did not move them above ground to avoid tsunami
damage.

The plant's reactor cooling system failed when the emergency
generators in the basement were inundated by the March 11th tsunami.
All power sources were lost.

Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission says it will revise the safety
guidelines for designing nuclear plants and require the installation
of additional power sources.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 13:18 +0900 (JST)

GE did a fine job of configuring those reactors to begin with, and
ever since there has been hardly if any upgrades or logical
improvements. *So, Japan got exactly what they paid for, and GE made a
small fortune.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

just look at the chernobyl cancer rates and realize japans meltdown
was far worse than chernobyl.

Utter hogwash. *Chernobyl was a much, much worse accident.

chernobyl was a single reactor that was nearly brand new

while japan was 4 40 year old reactors and storage pools

And the comparative radiation release between Chernobyl, where the
core actually caught fire and exploded, and what was released at
Fukishima is?

Afraid this is yet another Bobbert claim that raises the cry of
"Bull****!"

theres no real way to quantify the radiation leak into the ocean, and
as of now no one knows how badly the containment is breached, just
that they have failed....

In other words, you were once again lying when you made your claim.

snip various lies about the facts

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
*soul with evil."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Socrates

Which way was the wind blowing most of time? And how high did
the plume reach from the blast? One of the reactor released an upwards
plume.