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Happy V. I. Day {Victory in Iraq}
On 12/18/2011 7:36 AM, Jonathan wrote:
Should December 25, 2011 be given the honor of that title? Despite all the problems and controversy, the Iraq campaign should be remembered as one of America's most daring, difficult and significant victories in our history. Planting the US flag in the very heart of Islam, and winning a war of attrition against some of the most viscous people and tactics the world has to offer, is an enormous accomplishment. Since we can now see, it turns out the old 'domino-effect' only applies for things people...want, like freedom and democracy. Jonathan s Let's hope so. |
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Happy V. I. Day {Victory in Iraq}
On Dec 18, 7:36*am, "Jonathan" wrote:
Should December 25, 2011 be given the honor of that title? Despite all the problems and controversy, the Iraq campaign should be remembered as one of America's most daring, difficult and significant victories in our history. Planting the US flag in the very heart of Islam, and winning a war of attrition against some of the most viscous people and tactics the world has to offer, is an enormous accomplishment. Since we can now see, it turns out the old 'domino-effect' only applies for things people...want, like freedom and democracy. Jonathan s once our last troop soldier leaves , iraq will have the civil war it needed all along saddam was a necessary evill, he provided a stabilizing influence in the mid east. like a control rod in a nuclear reactor. just their presence cuts power production some but without them the reactor can melt down if saddam were still around iran wouldnt be such a issue today. thanks GWB you set the stage for WW3 we should never have another war of attrition. if something is worth fighting for institute the draft and let the military use their prefered approach. overwhelming force. |
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Happy V. I. Day {Victory in Iraq}
On 18/12/2011 12:36, Jonathan wrote:
Should December 25, 2011 be given the honor of that title? Despite all the problems and controversy, the Iraq campaign should be remembered as one of America's most daring, difficult and significant victories in our history. Planting the US flag in the very heart of Islam, and winning a war of attrition against some of the most viscous people and tactics the world has to offer, is an enormous accomplishment. Since we can now see, it turns out the old 'domino-effect' only applies for things people...want, like freedom and democracy. Jonathan Obama may have won but he could have lost. If a militant leader sprouting anti-American rhetoric appears in Iraq then this will look like a retreat. The USA could open naval and air-force bases in Iraq as part of a Gulf Stabilization Force i.e. to keep the Iranians down. Andrew Swallow |
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How Maliki & Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal
How Maliki & Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s suggestion that the end of the U.S. troop presence in Iraq is part of a U.S. military success story ignores the fact that the George W. Bush administration and the U.S. military had planned to maintain a semi-permanent military presence in Iraq. The real story behind the U.S. withdrawal is how a clever strategy of deception and diplomacy adopted by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in cooperation with Iran outmaneuvered Bush and the U.S. military leadership and got the United States to sign the U.S.-Iraq withdrawal agreement. http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2...op-withdrawal/ |
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Happy V. I. Day {Victory in Iraq}
On 12/17/2011 7:21 AM, Andrew Swallow wrote:
On 18/12/2011 12:36, Jonathan wrote: Should December 25, 2011 be given the honor of that title? Despite all the problems and controversy, the Iraq campaign should be remembered as one of America's most daring, difficult and significant victories in our history. Planting the US flag in the very heart of Islam, and winning a war of attrition against some of the most viscous people and tactics the world has to offer, is an enormous accomplishment. Since we can now see, it turns out the old 'domino-effect' only applies for things people...want, like freedom and democracy. Jonathan Obama may have won but he could have lost. If a militant leader sprouting anti-American rhetoric appears in Iraq then this will look like a retreat. The USA could open naval and air-force bases in Iraq as part of a Gulf Stabilization Force i.e. to keep the Iranians down. Andrew Swallow Or we could mind our own business and stop dumping huge piles of cash onto the laps of the defense industry. Let's keep our troops home and alive until a true threat can be verified rather than sending them off on adventures based on faulty intelligence and blatant lies. No one wants the USA to be the cops of the world and we cant afford it. |
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Happy V. I. Day {Victory in Iraq}
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:36:11 -0500, "Jonathan"
wrote: Should December 25, 2011 be given the honor of that title? Despite all the problems and controversy, the Iraq campaign should be remembered as one of America's most daring, difficult and significant victories in our history. Planting the US flag in the very heart of Islam, and winning a war of attrition against some of the most viscous people and tactics the world has to offer, is an enormous accomplishment. Since we can now see, it turns out the old 'domino-effect' only applies for things people...want, like freedom and democracy. Jonathan s You really should not post when you are under the influence of mind-altering substances. If you do so, the result is nonsense like this. |
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Happy V. I. Day {Victory in Iraq}
On Dec 17, 6:58*am, bob haller wrote:
On Dec 18, 7:36*am, "Jonathan" wrote: Should December 25, 2011 be given the honor of that title? Despite all the problems and controversy, the Iraq campaign should be remembered as one of America's most daring, difficult and significant victories in our history. Planting the US flag in the very heart of Islam, and winning a war of attrition against some of the most viscous people and tactics the world has to offer, is an enormous accomplishment. Since we can now see, it turns out the old 'domino-effect' only applies for things people...want, like freedom and democracy. Jonathan s once our last troop soldier leaves , iraq will have the civil war it needed all along saddam was a necessary evill, he provided a stabilizing influence in the mid east. like a control rod in a nuclear reactor. just their presence cuts power production some but without them the reactor can melt down if saddam were still around iran wouldnt be such a issue today. thanks GWB you set the stage for WW3 we should never have another war of attrition. if something is worth fighting for institute the draft and let the military use their prefered approach. overwhelming force. But you think murdering Bin Laden and Ghaddafi were good things. Are you a muslim?? |
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Happy V. I. Day {Victory in Iraq}
On Dec 17, 8:47*am, Dakota wrote:
On 12/17/2011 7:21 AM, Andrew Swallow wrote: On 18/12/2011 12:36, Jonathan wrote: Should December 25, 2011 be given the honor of that title? Despite all the problems and controversy, the Iraq campaign should be remembered as one of America's most daring, difficult and significant victories in our history. Planting the US flag in the very heart of Islam, and winning a war of attrition against some of the most viscous people and tactics the world has to offer, is an enormous accomplishment. Since we can now see, it turns out the old 'domino-effect' only applies for things people...want, like freedom and democracy. Jonathan Obama may have won but he could have lost. If a militant leader sprouting anti-American rhetoric appears in Iraq then this will look like a retreat. The USA could open naval and air-force bases in Iraq as part of a Gulf Stabilization Force i.e. to keep the Iranians down. Andrew Swallow Or we could mind our own business and stop dumping huge piles of cash onto the laps of the defense industry. Let's keep our troops home and alive until a true threat can be verified rather than sending them off on adventures based on faulty intelligence and blatant lies. No one wants the USA to be the cops of the world and we cant afford it. Or we could completely do away with the military and instead send $BILLIONS to deadbeat cheese eaters like you so you too can drive an Escalade and live in a mansion like Dr.Gore. |
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Happy V. I. Day {Victory in Iraq}
On Dec 18, 7:36*am, "Jonathan" wrote:
Should December 25, 2011 be given the honor of that title? Despite all the problems and controversy, the Iraq campaign should be remembered as one of America's most daring, difficult and significant victories in our history. Planting the US flag in the very heart of Islam, and winning a war of attrition against some of the most viscous people and tactics the world has to offer, is an enormous accomplishment. Since we can now see, it turns out the old 'domino-effect' only applies for things people...want, like freedom and democracy. Jonathan s If anything had been accomplished beyond spending tons of money and thousands of lives, one might call it a victory. But nothing was. The death of Saddam (born 1937) would have put the country about where it is now - a collection of factions armed to the teeth unwilling to cooperate in an uneasy truce. Inability to form a government, let alone a stable one, after an election is not the hallmark of a democracy. The war of attrition is clearly lost, have you looked at the world economic situation lately? The idiot wastage of money and people in the war on terror is a significant, if not dominant, part of the cause. The main problem was, and is, inattention to controlling greed. A lot of evil happened while we were looking the other way. Peter. |
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Happy V. I. Day {Victory in Iraq}
On Dec 18, 7:36*am, "Jonathan" wrote:
Should December 25, 2011 be given the honor of that title? Despite all the problems and controversy, the Iraq campaign should be remembered as one of America's most daring, difficult and significant victories in our history. Planting the US flag in the very heart of Islam, and winning a war of attrition against some of the most viscous people and tactics the world has to offer, is an enormous accomplishment. Since we can now see, it turns out the old 'domino-effect' only applies for things people...want, like freedom and democracy. Jonathan s I agree totally. and would not be surprised if the unrest in Iran when the people there wanted democracy was not influenced some by the democractic wave in Iraq, and also Afghanistan. The action in Iraq may have triggered a lot of the wave of revolution and reform we see now. Syria's Assad was a big buddy of Saddam and send snipers and other terrorists into Iraq to cause problems for Iraqi civilians during the fighting there. The wave hitting the mideast is causing violent protest and revolution in some places and may call more gradual and quieter reforms in others. It is impossible to take the war in Iraq and successful defeat of the terror cells there, or at the very least, forcing them to put down guns and pick up campaign posters to participate in legitimate government or campaign activity instead of fighting and getting turfed, which was a huge success. The strategist least mentioned is Sen. John McCain, who pushed his surge strategy there over the objections of not only people who wanted to end the war entirely while fighting was still going on, but those who were still arguing for a "small footprint" approach. Instead, the surge gave the Iraqis a rallying cause and the support needed to defeat the terror cells or drive them to "honest politics" while also giving time to build up their own forces and capabilities for the future. The history of what shakes out of all of this is yet to be written, but it certainly was an operation that changed the region, and hopefully for the better for many years to come. |
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