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George William Herbert wrote: Dick Morris wrote: [...] How do airliners do it? They overfly populated areas all the time. During early flight test? I don't *think* so... -george william herbert Our Renton and Everett plants are in populated areas, so the first flights are necessarily over populated areas. The Flight Test center is at Boeing Field which is in an even more densely populated area. Some flight testing is done over at Moses Lake, or, IIRC, down at Edwards AFB, but a substantial portion is over populated areas. |
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"Brian Thorn" wrote:
On 10 Jul 2003 19:39:25 -0700, (George William Herbert) wrote: How do airliners do it? They overfly populated areas all the time. During early flight test? I don't *think* so... But airliners have been known to kill people on the ground. No manned spacecraft ever has. So why not ban airliners from flying over populated areas? That's an erroneous argument. Manned spaceflight is very rare, so of course you'd expect the incident rate in ground fatalaties to be much lower than with airplanes. Even if manned spaceflight was 10x more likely to kill people on the ground than airplanes, you wouldn't expect any deaths yet based on the small number of manned spaceflights. Also, rocket launches over populated areas *have* killed people before, just ask the Chinese. |
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Brian Thorn wrote: On 10 Jul 2003 19:39:25 -0700, (George William Herbert) wrote: How do airliners do it? They overfly populated areas all the time. During early flight test? I don't *think* so... But airliners have been known to kill people on the ground. No manned spacecraft ever has. So why not ban airliners from flying over populated areas? Brian They only do so once in many millions of flights. |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:49:40 -0500, "Christopher M. Jones"
wrote: They overfly populated areas all the time. During early flight test? I don't *think* so... But airliners have been known to kill people on the ground. No manned spacecraft ever has. So why not ban airliners from flying over populated areas? That's an erroneous argument. The whole argument is erroneous, that's my point. Even if manned spaceflight was 10x more likely to kill people on the ground than airplanes, you wouldn't expect any deaths yet based on the small number of manned spaceflights. Then why bother trying to ban it? Also, rocket launches over populated areas *have* killed people before, just ask the Chinese. The Chinese deny it. Gotta love 'em. Brian |
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"Brian Thorn" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:23:16 GMT, Dick Morris wrote: During early flight test? I don't *think* so... But airliners have been known to kill people on the ground. No manned spacecraft ever has. So why not ban airliners from flying over populated areas? They only do so once in many millions of flights. And when they do, it tends to be near an airport. So I say that the statistics strongly suggest we should ban all aircraft from flying near airports. I love statistics! :-) Hey, ever since I learned that 90% of all car accidents occur within 5 miles of my home, I park my car 5 miles away and walk the rest. Brian |
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Brian Thorn wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:23:16 GMT, Dick Morris wrote: During early flight test? I don't *think* so... But airliners have been known to kill people on the ground. No manned spacecraft ever has. So why not ban airliners from flying over populated areas? They only do so once in many millions of flights. And when they do, it tends to be near an airport. So I say that the statistics strongly suggest we should ban all aircraft from flying near airports. I love statistics! :-) I hate statistics. :-( Brian |
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:07:30 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Hey, ever since I learned that 90% of all car accidents occur within 5 miles of my home, I park my car 5 miles away and walk the rest. Why don't you just move? What and find a place 5 miles further from work? -- simberg.interglobal.org * 310 372-7963 (CA) 307 739-1296 (Jackson Hole) interglobal space lines * 307 733-1715 (Fax) http://www.interglobal.org "Extraordinary launch vehicles require extraordinary markets..." Swap the first . and @ and throw out the ".trash" to email me. Here's my email address for autospammers: |
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Dick Morris wrote in
: Brian Thorn wrote: On 10 Jul 2003 19:39:25 -0700, (George William Herbert) wrote: How do airliners do it? They overfly populated areas all the time. During early flight test? I don't *think* so... But airliners have been known to kill people on the ground. No manned spacecraft ever has. So why not ban airliners from flying over populated areas? They only do so once in many millions of flights. But they fly many millions of flights, so the risks balance out. Even a random person in the US is much more likely to be killed by airliner debris than by space shuttle debris. A person living near an airport even moreso. Of course, both probabilities are vanishingly small. That is small comfort, I'm sure, to the families of those killed in Queens. For the record, I live under the takeoff pattern at Ellington Field, and regularly have NASA T-38s and Texas Air National Guard F-16s and F-18s flying overhead. I consider the risk acceptable. For that matter, I would consider the risk acceptable if every single shuttle reentry were targeted to fly right over my house (not that that's possible...). Like Roger and Jon, I'd be unable to sleep - not from fear, but because I'd be outside with my camera. -- JRF Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail, check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and think one step ahead of IBM. |
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"Brian Thorn" wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:49:40 -0500, "Christopher M. Jones" wrote: But airliners have been known to kill people on the ground. No manned spacecraft ever has. So why not ban airliners from flying over populated areas? That's an erroneous argument. The whole argument is erroneous, that's my point. I'm not out of order, YOU'RE out of order! Errr, and by that I mean, ok, that's all fine and good but I think it's probably worth the extra words to argue directly against the argument than to raise a false argument that you think is along the same lines and is equally erroneous. It's like those people asking why we haven't bombed North Korea yet but who don't really want us to bomb North Korea at all. Even if manned spaceflight was 10x more likely to kill people on the ground than airplanes, you wouldn't expect any deaths yet based on the small number of manned spaceflights. Then why bother trying to ban it? There's this thing where people pop in and out of threads and where sub-threads drift off topic and end up being skewed from or sometimes entirely different from the original topic. We call it usenet. Do try to keep up. =) Also, rocket launches over populated areas *have* killed people before, just ask the Chinese. The Chinese deny it. Gotta love 'em. Well of course, if they admitted it it'd be even worse PR, and it was bad enough as it was. |
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