Flowing space...

Painius When talking just waves in the vacuum of space it begs the
question "What is waving?" I relate that to space curving "What is
curving"? I relate that to time stopping "What has stopped'? Without
a particle for a wave to be part of to me creates one of natures great
mysteries. Painius we just don't have the knowledge to know what is
inside the vacuum of space. It is not like using the medium of water for
the Moon and Sun to create ocean waves. To detect space vacuum waves we
have the Casmir plates. To detect gravity waves from supernova
explosions we seem to have no detectors We must put the right detector
in space(not on the Earth's surface) and still I feel the chance of
picking up gravity waves will be nill. Painius we should never relate
"pond waves" with space waves There difference is like comparing apples
with oranges Bert

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Painius When talking just waves in the vacuum of space it begs the
question "What is waving?" I relate that to space curving "What is
curving"?

Well, Bert, we can always accept the "science"
answers without question if we want to. "What
is waving?" Nothing is waving! Space is a void,
and for radiation to get from, say, the Sun to the
Earth, it must be PHOTONS doing the traveling
through the VOID.

"What is curving?" says i.

"Why, SPACE is curving, of course!" says John
Zinni.

"How silly of me to ask," says i.

Science will stick its face out boldly and say this
without the least explanation to exactly what it is
about SPACE that is curving! "Space is curving."
That's all. We seem to be expected to accept this
without question. And Zinni doesn't even seem to
know or care what is wrong with this P.O.S. idea!

He cannot seem to grasp the simplicity of the idea
that, by nature of the definition of "void" and of
"nothing", if space is a void, then VOID SPACE IS
IMPOSSIBLE TO ENVISION BEING CURVED.

Yet he and the rest of science seem to envision it
with no problem.

And with no plausible, acceptable explanation!

I relate that to time stopping "What has stopped'?

Here, Bert, is where you once again sound so
damn intriguing! Time stopping!

Some would say you're crazy, but i say that if
we are to accept that there was no such thing as
"time" until the Big Bang happened, then we must
accept that TIME STARTED at the moment the Big
Bang started. &...

If there was once a moment when time started,
then it may follow that there will come a moment
when time will stop.

"What has stopped?" asks Bert.

"Why of course, TIME has stopped!" answers
science.

Without
a particle for a wave to be part of to me creates one of natures great
mysteries. Painius we just don't have the knowledge to know what is
inside the vacuum of space.

But Einstein told us not to see things as being
"inside the vacuum of space". He told us that
all things were "spatially extended". To me,
this means that ALL things, including space,
are made of the same stuff!

Just like our experience tells us that the types
of energies that we know about have different
"gradient" levels (light = high grade, heat =
low grade), this idea must be extended to
include both matter (sort of a "very low grade"
energy) and space (a very high or ultra-high
grade energy).

It is not like using the medium of water for
the Moon and Sun to create ocean waves. To detect space vacuum waves we
have the Casmir plates. To detect gravity waves from supernova
explosions we seem to have no detectors We must put the right detector
in space(not on the Earth's surface) and still I feel the chance of
picking up gravity waves will be nill. Painius we should never relate
"pond waves" with space waves There difference is like comparing apples
with oranges Bert

The waves on a pond are transverse types just
like electromagnetic waves, Bert. So science
has learned quite a bit about em waves by
studying water waves. It's a viable analogy,
but as you say, the differences must also be
taken into account.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Oh! the Sky Majestic
SO seems to be ALIVE,
You be careful lest it
Rise to give you Aim and Drive!

Oh, the world's sad eyes,
They know life's not so tragic,
When people realize
That... THE SKY IS MAGIC!

Indelibly yours,
Paine
http://www.savethechildren.org/
http://www.painellsworth.net

Painius thank you for saying my posts are intriguing. Some do email me
to say they are very interesting,and as you know others find be a
babbling idiot(yes I am a little crazy) There is nothing in our
universe that can come to a stop(not even the universe) Things
vibrate,and that is the function of a wave. all stuff spins,and that is
the function of the micro realm,and the macro realm. That is why my
"Spin is in Theory" works bert

In article ,
"Painius" wrote:

The waves on a pond are transverse types just
like electromagnetic waves, Bert. So science
has learned quite a bit about em waves by
studying water waves. It's a viable analogy,
but as you say, the differences must also be
taken into account.

Nonsense. Still think EM is a pressure wave?

--
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singularity.

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of the saucerhead high command).

Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
"Painius" wrote:

The waves on a pond are transverse types just
like electromagnetic waves, Bert. So science
has learned quite a bit about em waves by
studying water waves. It's a viable analogy,
but as you say, the differences must also be
taken into account.

Nonsense. Still think EM is a pressure wave?

They both live for the analogy.

--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco

"Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting
renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum."
-- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief

"Of doing Venus in person would obviously incorporate a composite
rigid airship, along with it's internal cache of frozen pizza and
ice cold beer."
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