Genesis and Matthew

I hear that there is an 'evolution/creation' debate on national television but that stuff is merely a by-product of an era that is lost in matters of faith,astronomy and terrestrial sciences.

Genesis contains a framework common to most narratives that have a large scale creation/destruction cycles attached and not exclusive to the Judaeo-Christian texts. The reader is drawn to the intricate features of these structures but they will mean nothing to those who can't be inspired.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%205

The most obvious clue is the breaking of the formula in the genealogical chain 'Then he died' at Enoch among the 10 Patriarchs spanning Adam to Noah. Of all the exaggerated lifetime values, the author attaches 365 years to the lifetime of Enoch indicating the artificial structure across the entire narrative including the first 7 days of Genesis 1.

As Adam was created on the 6th day and also forms a link in the genealogical chain,it prevents the reader from trying to partition Genesis one from the rest of the text which ends at Genesis 7 V 11 . Genuine astronomers have an natural affinity for these things as works of art more than just a mathematical endeavor insofar as it enhances appreciation of the text as these structures protect the text from reckless interpretation,something which unfortunately exists today in terms of the 'evolution/creationism' thing.

Genesis has therefore an artificial mathematical/geometric facet where the number of weeks between the creation of Adam to the first drop of rain of Noah's flood amounts to 86,400 weeks remembering that this is the amount of seconds in one day. This was first proposed by Julius Oppert -

http://books.google.ie/books?id=-WBY...page&q&f=false

The timekeeping element in the genealogical structure is more developed in the genealogical structure of Matthew which is gorgeous in form and function.The gift of God is not to insert an unwarranted interpretation into these structures but to admire them for what they are and this goes all the way up to the spectacular Book Of Revelation.Like all works of spirit,these works are a gift of God but impenetrable for the spiritless and the unintelligent.

On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:57:47 -0800 (PST), oriel36
wrote:

Genesis contains...

Your belief in the 3000 year old fantasies of primitive, brutal,
pre-technological humans explains a lot about your other views.

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:57:39 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:57:47 -0800 (PST), oriel36

wrote:



Genesis contains...



Your belief in the 3000 year old fantasies of primitive, brutal,

pre-technological humans explains a lot about your other views.

You know,I went out of my way to meet you in Armagh and offered to drive the 30 minutes it takes to drive to incredible astronomical sites of Newgrange, Knowth and Dowth with their Solstice and Equinox alignments but then again empiricists are ignorant of astronomical history including their own cult which is roughly a few centuries old.

"Stonehenge. The most famous megalithic site in the world. Construction was begun in about 2800 BCE. and continued for over 1000 years. It was first noted in 1721 that the central Avenue was directed toward the summer solstice sunrise. More recently, many other astronomical relationships have been claimed, to such an extent that some consider Stonehenge a sophisticated prehistoric astronomical computer.

I don't believe that such a conclusion can be made. It is important to realize that with the erosion of the stones, and their settling and shifting over several thousand years, it is not really possible to say with a high degree of precision what their original positions were, nor where exactly on the stones measurements should be made. With resulting position errors on the order of a degree or more, no complex astronomical relationships can be ascertained (or rather, any number of fanciful ones may be derived.)" Peterson

http://www.cloudbait.com/archaeo/england.html

Considering that we are closer in history to the Hebrew authors and their Genesis narrative with its artificial timekeeping facet than the Hebrew authors were to the Neolithic monument builders of Newgrange, you dreary pronouncement is roughly what is expected.

I learned an invaluable lesson all the same - it doesn't matter how spectacular or how profound the physical and intellectual insights of astronomers are through history,you have to have that spirit to appreciate them and that you and your cult colleagues lack.

On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:01:39 -0800 (PST), oriel36
wrote:

You know,I went out of my way to meet you in Armagh and offered to drive the 30 minutes it takes to drive to incredible astronomical sites of Newgrange, Knowth and Dowth with their Solstice and Equinox alignments but then again empiricists are ignorant of astronomical history including their own cult which is roughly a few centuries old.

Which was appreciated. But which doesn't change in the slightest that
you have an extremely bizarre world view.

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:11:10 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:01:39 -0800 (PST), oriel36

wrote:



You know,I went out of my way to meet you in Armagh and offered to drive the 30 minutes it takes to drive to incredible astronomical sites of Newgrange, Knowth and Dowth with their Solstice and Equinox alignments but then again empiricists are ignorant of astronomical history including their own cult which is roughly a few centuries old.



Which was appreciated. But which doesn't change in the slightest that

you have an extremely bizarre world view.

An astronomer looking at the Newgrange and Stonehenge monuments which are separated by 1000 years or 4% of a precessional cycle,there is an incredible amount of information flowing from the alignments in terms of planetary dynamics and why precession is a long term orbital trait and not an axial trait given that both monuments still retain their alignments across many thousands of years.

Your cult manufactures history hence you are unlikely to experience the admiration from the great astronomers in antiquity and the skill in all facets of social organization to construct these wonders,everything from quarrying to architecture,sea and river navigation to just the right location not to mention the astronomical knowledge to create the alignment -

http://www.worldheritageireland.ie/b...age/newgrange/

The Christian Book of Revelation,like the Matthean and Genesis structure is a geometric work but like all the other great insights both physical and intellectual,it will always remain impenetrable to the dour,the mediocre and the dull. I delight in my work because it pleases God that I delight in Him and even if the transmission of insights only comes in glimpses and perhaps in less than perfect terms,this will resonate among those whom it is destined to resonate. That is why the contemporary era is amazing for other reasons in providing a conduit for information that has been ignored for centuries.

oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:11:10 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:01:39 -0800 (PST), oriel36

wrote:



You know,I went out of my way to meet you in Armagh and offered to
drive the 30 minutes it takes to drive to incredible astronomical sites
of Newgrange, Knowth and Dowth with their Solstice and Equinox
alignments but then again empiricists are ignorant of astronomical
history including their own cult which is roughly a few centuries old.



Which was appreciated. But which doesn't change in the slightest that

you have an extremely bizarre world view.

An astronomer looking at the Newgrange and Stonehenge monuments which are
separated by 1000 years or 4% of a precessional cycle,there is an
incredible amount of information flowing from the alignments in terms of
planetary dynamics and why precession is a long term orbital trait and
not an axial trait given that both monuments still retain their
alignments across many thousands of years.

Your cult manufactures history hence you are unlikely to experience the
admiration from the great astronomers in antiquity and the skill in all
facets of social organization to construct these wonders,everything from
quarrying to architecture,sea and river navigation to just the right
location not to mention the astronomical knowledge to create the alignment -

http://www.worldheritageireland.ie/b...age/newgrange/

The Christian Book of Revelation,like the Matthean and Genesis structure
is a geometric work but like all the other great insights both physical
and intellectual,it will always remain impenetrable to the dour,the
mediocre and the dull. I delight in my work because it pleases God that I
delight in Him and even if the transmission of insights only comes in
glimpses and perhaps in less than perfect terms,this will resonate among
those whom it is destined to resonate. That is why the contemporary era
is amazing for other reasons in providing a conduit for information that
has been ignored for centuries.

Revelation!
The ravings of a madman high on his century's equivalent of LSD.

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:57:39 AM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:57:47 -0800 (PST), oriel36

wrote:

Genesis contains...

Your belief in the 3000 year old fantasies of primitive, brutal,
pre-technological humans explains a lot about your other views.

Humans living 3000 years ago were not "pre-technological" and not necessarily primitive nor brutal either.

On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:12:16 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Humans living 3000 years ago were not "pre-technological" and not necessarily primitive nor brutal either.

Yes, humans living 3000 years ago are considered pre-technological for
the most part. And primitive by most reasonable definitions. And if
you use the Old Testament as evidence (as Gerald chooses to do), they
were brutal nearly beyond imagination. That's not to say that people
from all cultures 3000 years ago were brutal, of course. But those who
invented the tales of the OT were.

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 1:41:52 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:12:16 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:

Humans living 3000 years ago were not "pre-technological" and not necessarily primitive nor brutal either.

Yes, humans living 3000 years ago are considered pre-technological for
the most part.

They had the wheel, agriculture, metal working, etc. Not much changed until late in the industrial revolution.

And primitive by most reasonable definitions.

Primitive? How exactly? Give us a "reasonable definition" of "primitive."

And if
you use the Old Testament as evidence (as Gerald chooses to do), they
were brutal nearly beyond imagination.

I thought you had suggested that the Old Testament was fantasy.

That's not to say that people
from all cultures 3000 years ago were brutal, of course.

/sarcasm Of course not. Your family tree, going all the way back to the Pre-Cambrian, was quite civilized. /end sarcasm

But those who invented the tales of the OT were.

On what do you base your assertion, if you believe that the Old Testament is mere fantasy?

On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 14:42:44 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Primitive? How exactly? Give us a "reasonable definition" of "primitive."

They had little understanding of nature and natural laws. They
ascribed most things to supernatural forces. Their shelters and tools
were very simple. They had limited control over their environment.


And if
you use the Old Testament as evidence (as Gerald chooses to do), they
were brutal nearly beyond imagination.

I thought you had suggested that the Old Testament was fantasy.

Fantasy based on the lives and ideas of the people who wrote it. Of
course, some of it consists of loose history. But most is fabricated.
Certainly there's virtually nothing to be found in Genesis that
represents accurate history, or which describes how nature actually
operates.