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"Mary Shafer" wrote in message ... Why? My supermarket sells hard liquor, malt beverages, and beer; the only difference is that the booze isn't in a cooler. Or in Connecticut we had "Package Stores". "I'm going down to the packy." Years ago there was a made for TV-film about a murder that occurred in my hometown. The opening shot of the movie showed the victim perusing the local grocery store and picking up a bottle of wine. Not only was the grocery store about 5 times the size of the one actually in my hometown, but the idea of buying wine in a grocery store was simply unknown in CT. It was very clear this was a California store (if only from the wide selection of wines. :-) Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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Doug... wrote: That's not a question of kosher, Pat -- it's a question of edible. I think the most commonly available food that violates the most kosher rules in one package is a bacon cheeseburger. Granted....so we get the bacon cheeseburger....and we leave it outside till some winged four-legged swarming things _land_ on it, then..... :-) Pat |
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Pat Flannery wrote: Granted....so we get the bacon cheeseburger....and we leave it outside till some winged four-legged swarming things _land_ on it, then..... :-) I forgot, the bacon cheeseburger is made by a _menstruating woman_! :-) Pat |
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Doug... wrote: I have to say that, from a dietary standpoint, I am quite glad I've never been in a position to have to try and keep kosher. (I was going to say "I'm glad I'm not Jewish," but I have eaten and enjoyed quite a few traditional Jewish foods. I just like a lot of things that kosher rules prohibit.) Where would the world be without bagels, kosher dill pickles, and chicken soup- the "Jewish Penicillin" for colds? Pat |
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OM wrote: ...Keep in mind, tho, that about 90% of the kosher regs came about in an attempt to curtail food poisoning and other maladies associated with improper food preparation. What's fascinating about the way the Book of Leviticus is written is that rather than just listing what you can and cannot eat, it tries to use a form of logic for what's mentioned, and some underlying reason for why it's unclean. The idea seems to be devise a set of rules that allow you to determine the cleanliness of a creature that you have never encountered before, based on its habits and attributes. So say a Great Fish vomits you out Jonah-style on the shore of Peru, and you are hungry...and there's a lama standing there..you can have a gander at it's feet and feeding habits to determine if you should eat it. Now if you were somehow transported to Tibet, and there was a Llama standing there, and his feet were not cloven, nor did he chew the cud....but he had legs above his feet for jumping, like a locust... Pat |
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OM wrote: ...Guys, keep in mind that the sole reason US mainstream beer is weaker than the rest of the world's brew supply has to do with federal and state alcohol regulations that keep mass-consumption beer at their currently FNW alcohol levels. Above a certain level they're required to be sold in liquor stores under a more controlled environment, and taxed differently. If beer had twice the alcohol it currently does, it wouldn't be sold at the supermarket, and would probably cost three times what it does now. In North Dakota, _all_ beer must be sold in liqueur stores; because of that fact, 3.2 beer doesn't even exist around here. ...Which is why I gave up on beer in 1985 for good, and have had, IIRC, only three oil cans of Foster's ever since. If I want to drink, I currently drink only the following: * Dr. McGillicuddy's Vanilla Schnappes. Mixed one shot with a 12-oz Coke or Dr. Pepper, it becomes an ice cream float with a kick. Add in real ice cream and the effect is even more McStaggering! A&W or Shasta Cream Soda with vodka...not bad at all. And then of course there was the Brandy Alexander Imperials: Remy Martin Cognac, Dom Perignon Champagne, Hagen-Daz ice cream with grated Godiva chocolate on it, topped by a macadamia nut. Very good....and very expensive. * Blueberry Schnappes and Mountain Dew. 100ml BS in 400ml of MD produces the type of shoe dispersal kick that the original Mountain Dew commericals in 1967 promised but never delivered. I'm serious on this one, kids. Try it. * Blue Creme Nehi and Monopolya Austrian Vodka. This is how you synthesize Romulan Ale, kids. A word of warning, tho: this will turn your turds blue if you drink more than three or four 500ml mixtures of this. I'm serious on this one too. * Johnny Walker Blue, chilled. Expensive as hell - $30/shot last I had it - but worth it for special occasions. Caveat: once you drink this, you will never be able to stomach JW Red, Black or Gold again. Ever. * Pepto-Bismoll. This is a drink I invented that someone claims is also called a B-52. Bailey's, Butterscotch Schnappes, and Creme De Almond, all in equal amounts. Looks just like Pepto, and actually does coat, sooth and relieve. Came about when I was trying to mix a Buttery Nipple, and was too busy explaining to two gals why they were wrong about how mating with guys who are losers with no jobs and no futures is a good thing. * Radar's Aphrodesiac (AKA Korean Fly). Grape Nehi or any other grape soda, mixed with Purple Pucker grape schnappes. Caveat: If you burp, don't burp through your nose, because this *will* burn your mucous membranes. * Pina Colostomy. Pina Colada Mix, Malibu coconut rum. Dr. McGillicuddy's Vanilla Schnappes, Vanilla Ice Cream. Make a shake, but don't ever try making a malt with this concoction. Caveat: I have experienced, and known others who've suffered, if you mix this with low-fat ice cream or some other ice cream substitute, a bad case of the runs the next morning. * TGI Enema. Same as a Pina Colostomy, but you replace the PC Mix with a bottle of that Dreamsickle mix that TGI Friday's sells. Same effect can be seen under same conditions, and serves as a lesson that if you're going to eat ice cream, don't try and cheat with the low-fat crap. Just bite the bullet and use the *real* stuff. I'm keeping this list for future reference....did we ever hear back about the horrible results of the Tang/vodka experiment? Pat |
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OM wrote: ...Which is why they're mostly bottled in brown glass. I've also heard of this happening with Zima when it's been left in the sun way too long on a hot summer day. Then again, anyone who drinks that fermented Sprite gets what they deserve :-) Although the Zima Citrus (now Zima Lime, or something like that) wasn't too bad....but then there was the horrifying Zima Dark...which was supposed to taste like either whiskey and coke or rum and coke...and actually tasted like acetone and ****; how that stuff ever got past the company's product development team is beyond me. Pat |
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"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 May 2004 20:25:54 GMT, Doug... wrote: I have to say that, from a dietary standpoint, I am quite glad I've never been in a position to have to try and keep kosher. (I was going to say "I'm glad I'm not Jewish," but I have eaten and enjoyed quite a few traditional Jewish foods. I just like a lot of things that kosher rules prohibit.) ...Keep in mind, tho, that about 90% of the kosher regs came about in an attempt to curtail food poisoning and other maladies associated with improper food preparation. The primary motivation for the banning of the consumption of pork products stemmed from the fact that if you don't cook pork correctly, back then you pretty much guaranteed yourself a case of parasitical trichinosis, if not botulism or other diseases associated with eating swine and/or poultry products that weren't cleaned properly before and during prep & cooking. The additional fact that in a desert condition cleaning water is far less important than drinking water, and therefore far less available, is an additional factor. That's a theory. Unfortunately, there is a lot of evidence against it being the sole reason. First, by your argument then chicken's shouldn't be kosher. Trichinosis (and salmonella) are killed by temperatures which still leave the meat unpleasently rare. There are two alternate theories that I'm aware of. One is that the laws of Kashrut are G-d's way of making Jews prove their loyalty by making them follow silly rules. The other, perhaps more reasonable, is that the laws are moral object lessons. There are really three types of unkosher foods: 1. Foods that are unkosher because they are made from dirty animals. (For instance non-scaly seafood tends to live at the bottom of lakes/rivers. Pigs roll in the dirt. Non-flying insects tend to live in the dirt.) 2. Foods that are unkosher because the animal was not killed humanely. Note that for an animal to be killed properly it must suffer the least amount of pain. Probably associated with this is the prohibition against milk and meat, which is only present biblically in no stewing a kid in its mother's milk. 3. Weird rules associated with symbology. For example, the prohibition against eating blood, which means that the meat must be drained and salted, and that the hindquarters of cattle must have the blood containing fat and large blood vessels removed. (This has something to do with blood being associated spritually with the soul, and also that these portions were sacrificed at the Temple.) Also why fertilized eggs are not kosher. It may be that the prohibition against eating carnivores comes in here as well. This is also why wine, which has religious significance, must be certified kosher, even if it is prepared without the use of animal products. There is probably a confluence of a lot of factors, only some of which are health related. There are probably a confluence |
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"Christopher M. Jones" wrote in message om... "Ami Silberman" wrote in message ... The Geneva conventions, the FM on the Law of Land Warfare, and a number of Army Regulations make it abundantly clear that those things are not acceptable. There was a failure to properly educate the soldiers involved in the correct and legal procedures. Wrong. Some of those accused *claim* they were improperly educated but that is almost certainly not the case. Every soldier in the US gets taught the fundamentals of the Geneva Conventions very early in basic training. Ignorance cannot possibly be an excuse here, they knowingly did wrong. However, my understanding (from hearing subject matter experts on NPR) is that they should have had a refresher course when they were called up, and that they certainly should have had a refresher course on the appropriate Army Regulations document when they were set to guard prisoners. There were a lot of other things they did wrong, such as mixing lethal and less than lethal ammo in the same magazine, in not following the regulations in terms of how often prisoners were to be counted (nor in standardizing how the unit did it; it appears every platoon had its own procedure), and a lot of other stuff. |
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Doug... wrote: Yeah, that was probably something of the gist of it. Of course, in the millennia since, we've gotten a lot of really subtle justifications for the kosher laws, including some that come very close to numerology. "God made things in ones and twos, and anything that varies from these are non-Godly. So cloven hooves are bad, since that's one leg and two hooves, which makes three..." That's not the real argument, but the Talmudic arguments that I've read are quite similar to that. A lot of numerology... Try the Kabbalah sometime; it makes Quantum Physics look simple by comparison. The Jews (and later Christians*) had no idea of the logic mess they had gotten themselves into as soon as they went monotheistic; theologies with two contending deities- one evil, one good, work like a charm. Where you only have one good and all-powerful deity, and you still have evil around.... you have a _lot_ of explaining to do. *Of course the Christians cheated by giving the Devil a lot of power...in ancient Judaism, there was an angel (The Satan) who tempted people so that God could judge them by their response to the temptation, but this is done with the consent of, and indeed by the will of, God. According to Jewish apocryphal works, this situation worked well right up to the infamous Book Of Job Incident, in which poor Job got all sorts of trouble dumped on his head because "The Satan" had decided to tempt _God_ toward evil to see just how well _He'd_ respond. Bad Career Move. There was a major falling out between God and The Satan at this point; and he had to exchange his penthouse apartment for quarters in the furnace room; but he'd still sneak upstairs when nobody was looking and get it on with Lilith under God's throne, which caused it to rock. No, I'm not making this up...this really is in the Jewish apocryphal works. Pat |
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