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RELATIVITY - The Special, the General, and the Causal Theory



 
 
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Old March 1st 07, 06:22 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Bill Sheppard
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Yo Paine
It's quite perceptual of you to dub the next stage of
relativity the Causal Theory. Indeed the "Third Canon" of relativity
MUST address _explanations of cause_, because SR/GR have gone as far as
they can go *describing effects*. They've put much of the 'scaffolding'
in place, awaiting the 'building'.

"Causal Theory" also fits quite snazzily with "E=mc³", your fanciful
expression emphasizing energy equivalence (or energy-density) of space
itself.. the "pneuma" of our age.

Your recent dissection / plumb-ing of Einstein's Appendix V is becoming
quite eye-opening. Apparently he was indeed wedded to void-space up to
the writing of App,V at the end of his life. This crumbles my long-held
supposition that he MUST HAVE known the truth about space and gravity
and witheld it as an act of benevolent wisdom. One also has to marvel at
how he was able to get GR's 'curvature' equations to 'work' so
marvelously while laboring under the void-space mandate.

Henry Lindner openly brands him a huckster and a fraud for letting VS
take over science while knowing full well better. But if App.V is any
indication, he DIDN'T know better and was genuinely convinced /
convicted of space-as-void.

So what can be said? He wasn't stupid. And he wasn't operating under any
beneficent ruse either.

Why the inexplicable 180 turnaround in the mid-1920s? Instead of
investigating the long-held Lorentzian 'ether' model further,
recognizing it's *not* a rigid lattice but a dynamic fluid, why did he
suddenly flip-flop for the "no medium" mandate?

App.V seems to turn up more questions than answers.

Hey, you reakon maybe he was 'implanted' by the aliens to keep
earthlings' science corralled in its 'playpen'? (-:

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Old March 7th 07, 12:13 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default RELATIVITY - The Special, the General, and the Causal Theory

"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Bill Sheppard) wrote:

Your recent dissection / plumb-ing of Einstein's Appendix V is becoming
quite eye-opening. Apparently he was indeed wedded to void-space up to
the writing of App,V at the end of his life. This crumbles my long-held
supposition that he MUST HAVE known the truth about space and gravity
and witheld it as an act of benevolent wisdom. One also has to marvel at
how he was able to get GR's 'curvature' equations to 'work' so
marvelously while laboring under the void-space mandate.

Henry Lindner openly brands him a huckster and a fraud for letting VS
take over science while knowing full well better. But if App.V is any
indication, he DIDN'T know better and was genuinely convinced /
convicted of space-as-void.


Lindner is a MD. I doubt he has the intellectual clout to criticise
Einstein.


Oh! and *you do*?

Besides, Phineas... "intellectual clout" has nothing
to do with the ability or inclination to criticize. Just
look at all the "kook" awards over the years. g

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

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DArth Deco... Grim Master of the Dark Side of the FIELD!

Indelibly yours,
Paine
http://www.savethechildren.org/
http://www.painellsworth.net


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Old March 7th 07, 01:13 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default RELATIVITY - The Special, the General, and the Causal Theory

"Bill Sheppard" wrote in message...
...
Yo Paine
It's quite perceptual of you to dub the next stage of
relativity the Causal Theory.

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Thank you, Bill... it's just an idea whose time has come!

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Bill:

Indeed the "Third Canon" of relativity
MUST address _explanations of cause_, because SR/GR have gone as far as
they can go *describing effects*. They've put much of the 'scaffolding'
in place, awaiting the 'building'.

"Causal Theory" also fits quite snazzily with "E=mc³", your fanciful
expression emphasizing energy equivalence (or energy-density) of space
itself.. the "pneuma" of our age.

------------------------------------------------------

Paine:

Well, mathematically, "E=mc³" is meaningless. And
yet it does attempt to bring the SPED's energy content
into perspective. If man ever masters the control of
this energy, he will either use it to conquer "the final
frontier" of space, or he will blow up the entire Solar
System with it.

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Bill:

Your recent dissection / plumb-ing of Einstein's Appendix V is becoming
quite eye-opening. Apparently he was indeed wedded to void-space up to
the writing of App,V at the end of his life. This crumbles my long-held
supposition that he MUST HAVE known the truth about space and gravity
and witheld it as an act of benevolent wisdom. One also has to marvel at
how he was able to get GR's 'curvature' equations to 'work' so
marvelously while laboring under the void-space mandate.

------------------------------------------------------

Paine:

It probably shouldn't crumble your supposition,
because i believe you're still right... that Einstein
*did* know about the SPED, but also knew what
men did with his relativity science in Japan. He
wasn't about to bestow an even more remarkable
kind of energy on people who would make the
innocent children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
suffer the burnings of nuclear energy without
even blinking an eye!

As badly as Einstein felt about Hitler and the
European holocaust, just imagine what he must
have thought about Roosevelt and the Japanese
one! He and his relativity were directly involved
in the dreadful *BANG* of all that nuclear energy.

I "played god" effectively and got rid of all the
ants in my yard by mixing some sugar with dried
grits from a box. I strategically placed this mix
in the yard. Ants would carry the mix back to
their nest and feed it to their queen. The water
in the queen's body would make the grits expand
and "blow her up". The whole nest would soon
die.

Einstein was just "playing god" with the rest of
us. He hinted at the enormous potential of spatial
energy, and he left the kinetics to science to eke
out. By the time he wrote App. V, science *still*
hadn't figured out his GR field equations, so he
probably figured it would take plenty of time to
figure out the rams of flowing space...

Enough time maybe to also figure out that it's
better to get along with each other than to blow
each other up?

------------------------------------------------------

Bill:

Henry Lindner openly brands him a huckster and a fraud for letting VS
take over science while knowing full well better. But if App.V is any
indication, he DIDN'T know better and was genuinely convinced /
convicted of space-as-void.

So what can be said? He wasn't stupid. And he wasn't operating under any
beneficent ruse either.

Why the inexplicable 180 turnaround in the mid-1920s? Instead of
investigating the long-held Lorentzian 'ether' model further,
recognizing it's *not* a rigid lattice but a dynamic fluid, why did he
suddenly flip-flop for the "no medium" mandate?

------------------------------------------------------

Paine:

I believe the young, ambitious Einstein needed to
side with the growing number of void-space
advocates in order to make a "Big Bang" with his
relativity theory. He reasoned that the clamor of
his turnaround would bring about great debate and
attention, which it did.

------------------------------------------------------

Bill:

App.V seems to turn up more questions than answers.

Hey, you reakon maybe he was 'implanted' by the aliens to keep
earthlings' science corralled in its 'playpen'? (-:


------------------------------------------------------

Paine:

g i'll tell you what i reckon... i reckon that the
wise old elf saw that the usage of relativity and
nuclear power in Japan taught the world a very
important lesson: that we must keep our silly and
stupid in-fighting and warring to lower forms of
armature, or face the very real possibility of blowing
up the whole planet. But he couldn't resist just one
last "troll". g Appendix V is the greatest troll on
UseNet!

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Bill:

*************

Kripes, i tried "testing the waters" by posting a few times on the DSL
rig under Google Groups, but the damn thing is already drawing spam. I'm
fortunate enough to still have the old 'oxcart' Webbie rig as a spam
trap. And it formats and navigates NGs 'waaaay easier than the new rig.
So i'm gonna stick with the old rig for NGs as long as it holds out. oc

------------------------------------------------------

Paine:

If the make-up of this response is any indication of
the shortcomings of DSL rigs, then yes, by all means
please return to the Nepalian adage...

The ox is slow, but the Earth is patient.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
DArth Deco... Grim Master of the Dark Side of the FIELD!

Indelibly yours,
Paine
http://www.savethechildren.org/
http://www.painellsworth.net


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Old March 7th 07, 03:59 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Phineas T Puddleduck
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Default RELATIVITY - The Special, the General, and the Causal Theory

In article ,
"Painius" wrote:

Lindner is a MD. I doubt he has the intellectual clout to criticise
Einstein.


Oh! and *you do*?


Where did I criticise him?

Besides, Phineas... "intellectual clout" has nothing
to do with the ability or inclination to criticize. Just
look at all the "kook" awards over the years. g





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"Yes, you're right of course, NB. And they get very useless very quickly.
I shall do my best to ignore them, as you wish." Painius
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Old March 7th 07, 03:59 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Phineas T Puddleduck
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Default RELATIVITY - The Special, the General, and the Causal Theory

In article ,
"Painius" wrote:

Its more saucerhead unsupported nonsense.


And this is more coffeeboi unsupported criticism.
More proof that intellectual clout is unnecessary
when criticizing your betters!



Painius is back to the lames. All is right with the world. He's back to
ignoring evidence.

--

"Yes, you're right of course, NB. And they get very useless very quickly.
I shall do my best to ignore them, as you wish." Painius
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Old March 7th 07, 05:23 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default RELATIVITY - The Special, the General, and the Causal Theory

"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Painius" wrote:
Phineas dickclared...

Lindner is a MD. I doubt he has the intellectual clout to criticise
Einstein.


Oh! and *you do*?


Where did I criticise him?


He wrote App. V, not me. I'm just writing about
it. Every time you say things like i'm putting words
in his mouth, or anything you say against his idea
of space-as-field, you're criticizing Einstein, you
terrible thing, you. g

OTOH, you *are* entitled to your own coffeeboi
silly absurd opinion!

swarthy days and...
starry starry nights!

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Indelibly yours,
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Old March 7th 07, 05:47 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Phineas T Puddleduck
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Default RELATIVITY - The Special, the General, and the Causal Theory

In article ,
"Painius" wrote:

He wrote App. V, not me. I'm just writing about
it. Every time you say things like i'm putting words
in his mouth, or anything you say against his idea
of space-as-field, you're criticizing Einstein, you
terrible thing, you. g



No - I'm criticising your hideously flawing reasoning. You don't understand
relativity, yet you think you can make the most amazingly bad claims from it.

BTW I thought you were ignoring me?

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"Yes, you're right of course, NB. And they get very useless very quickly.
I shall do my best to ignore them, as you wish." Painius
 




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