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Old June 13th 12, 06:36 PM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro
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On Jun 13, 2:08 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:

I have seen two different types of cartesian coordinates:

x = a * cos(theta)
y = b * sin(theta)
and
x' = a * sin(theta)
y' = b * cos(theta)
or
x' = b * cos(theta)
y' = a * sin(theta)

What is the difference between x,y and x',y', in terms of
names (identities?) and their basic meanings?
I believe x and y are known as the "parametric equation of
ellipse", but what about x' and y'?


I don't know what the formal name is, but basically x' and y' define
the "parametric equation of the ellipse surface" or, extending it to
three axes----X', Y', Z'----by adding a longitude, the "parametric
equation of the ellipsoid surface".

Where

ë is the geographical/geodetic longitude;

a_x, a_y are the equatorial radii of their respective axis:
a(ë) = ((a*cos(ë))^2 + (a*sin(ë))^2)^.5;

a_m = b´ = (a_x*a_y)^.5;

and

b_x = a_x´ = b*(a_y/a_x)^.5 = b*a_y/a_m;
b_y = a_y´ = b*(a_x/a_y)^.5 = b*a_x/a_m;
b(ë) = a´(ë)=((b_x*cos(ë))^2 + (b_y*sin(ë))^2)^.5;

then

X = a_x * cos(â) * cos(ë);
Y = a_y * cos(â) * sin(ë);
x(ë) = (X^2 + Y^2)^.5 = a(ë) * cos(â);
y = Z = b * sin(â);
R(â) = (x(ë)^2 + y^2)^.5 = (X^2 + Y^2 + Z^2)^.5;

and

X´ = b_x * cos(â) * cos(ë);
Y´ = b_y * cos(â) * sin(ë);
x´(ë) = (X´^2 + Y´2)^.5 = b(ë) * cos(â);
y´ = Z´ = a_m * sin(â);
S(â) = R´(â) = (x´(ë)^2 + y´^2)^.5,
= (X´^2 + Y´^2 + Z´^2)^.5;

Thus, for an ellipse (and non-scalene spheroid), these reduce to

x = a * cos(â); y = b * sin(â);

R(â) = S(90-â) = (x^2 + y^2)^.5,
= ((a * cos(â))^2 +(b * sin(â))^2)^.5;

and

x´ = b * cos(â); y´= a * sin(â);

S(â) = R(90-â) = (x´^2 + y´^2)^.5,
= ((a * sin(â))^2 +(b * cos(â))^2)^.5;

So what does this all mean?
Well, in terms of the surface parameters, rather than derivatives of
â's trig functions, x´ and y´ are
fundamentally based on radii complements, as the triaxial
case demonstrates.
In terms of uses, R(â) is the integrand for the well known elliptic
integral of the second kind, and S(â) is the auxiliary integrand for
meridional distance, DxM, as well as (authalic) surface area:

Where ö is the geographical/geodetic latitude and M is the (conjugate)
meridional radius of curvature,

M(ö) = (a*b)^2/R(ö)^3,
= (a*b)^2/((a * cos(ö))^2 +(b * sin(ö))^2)^1.5;

__ â_f __ ö_f
/ /
DxM = / S(â)dâ = / M(ö)dö;
__/ __/
â_s ö_s

and

__ â_f
Surface /
Area = Äë a / cos(â)*S(â)dâ,
__/
â_s

__â_f __ ë_f
/ /
= a_m / cos(â) / (x´(ë)^2 + y´^2)^.5 dëdâ
__/ __/
â_s ë_s

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Old June 13th 12, 07:10 PM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro
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On Jun 13, 2:08 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:

I have seen two different types of cartesian coordinates:

x = a * cos(theta)
y = b * sin(theta)
and
x' = a * sin(theta)
y' = b * cos(theta)
or
x' = b * cos(theta)
y' = a * sin(theta)

What is the difference between x,y and x',y', in terms of
names (identities?) and their basic meanings?
I believe x and y are known as the "parametric equation of
ellipse", but what about x' and y'?


I don't know what the formal name is, but basically x' and y' define
the "parametric equation of the ellipse surface" or, extending it to
three axes----X', Y', Z'----by adding a longitude, the "parametric
equation of the ellipsoid surface".

Where

ë is the geographical/geodetic longitude;

a_x, a_y are the equatorial radii of their respective axis:
a(ë) = ((a*cos(ë))^2 + (a*sin(ë))^2)^.5;

a_m = b´ = (a_x*a_y)^.5;

and

b_x = a_x´ = b*(a_y/a_x)^.5 = b*a_y/a_m;
b_y = a_y´ = b*(a_x/a_y)^.5 = b*a_x/a_m;
b(ë) = a´(ë)=((b_x*cos(ë))^2 + (b_y*sin(ë))^2)^.5;

then

X = a_x * cos(â) * cos(ë);
Y = a_y * cos(â) * sin(ë);
x(ë) = (X^2 + Y^2)^.5 = a(ë) * cos(â);
y = Z = b * sin(â);
R(â) = (x(ë)^2 + y^2)^.5 = (X^2 + Y^2 + Z^2)^.5;

and

X´ = b_x * cos(â) * cos(ë);
Y´ = b_y * cos(â) * sin(ë);
x´(ë) = (X´^2 + Y´2)^.5 = b(ë) * cos(â);
y´ = Z´ = a_m * sin(â);
S(â) = R´(â) = (x´(ë)^2 + y´^2)^.5,
= (X´^2 + Y´^2 + Z´^2)^.5;

Thus, for an ellipse (and non-scalene spheroid), these reduce to

x = a * cos(â); y = b * sin(â);

R(â) = S(90-â) = (x^2 + y^2)^.5,
= ((a * cos(â))^2 +(b * sin(â))^2)^.5;

and

x´ = b * cos(â); y´= a * sin(â);

S(â) = R(90-â) = (x´^2 + y´^2)^.5,
= ((a * sin(â))^2 +(b * cos(â))^2)^.5;

So what does this all mean?
Well, in terms of the surface parameters, rather than derivatives of
â's trig functions, x´ and y´ are
fundamentally based on radii complements, as the triaxial
case demonstrates.
In terms of uses, R(â) is the integrand for the well known elliptic
integral of the second kind, and S(â) is the auxiliary integrand for
meridional distance, DxM, as well as (authalic) surface area:

Where ö is the geographical/geodetic latitude and M is the (conjugate)
meridional radius of curvature,

M(ö) = (a*b)^2/R(ö)^3,
= (a*b)^2/((a * cos(ö))^2 +(b * sin(ö))^2)^1.5;

__ â_f __ ö_f
/ /
DxM = / S(â)dâ = / M(ö)dö;
__/ __/
â_s ö_s

and

__ â_f
Surface /
Area = Äë a / cos(â)*S(â)dâ,
__/
â_s

__â_f __ ë_f
/ /
= a_m / cos(â) / (x´(ë)^2 + y´^2)^.5 dëdâ
__/ __/
â_s ë_s

~Kaimbridge~

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