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Man Rating - let Lloyds do it
I keep seeing the comments on the Ares I and it's man rating predictions by NASA, and the arguement that it would be easier to man-rate the Atlas V instead. I kinda agree with that, but shouldn't we work more on getting the man-rating out of NASA's hands and either into the hands of the FAA, which actually deals with money making (sometimes) companies, or better yet with Lloyd's of London, which has lots of experience in determining the risks they are willing to cover. It's not human life is priceless, if it was, would we have life insurance? John |
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John Stoffel wrote: I keep seeing the comments on the Ares I and it's man rating predictions by NASA, and the arguement that it would be easier to man-rate the Atlas V instead. I kinda agree with that, but shouldn't we work more on getting the man-rating out of NASA's hands and either into the hands of the FAA, which actually deals with money making (sometimes) companies, or better yet with Lloyd's of London, which has lots of experience in determining the risks they are willing to cover. If Lloyds did it, the rationale for Ares 1 would disappear. Perhaps that's why NASA insists on being judge and jury. At the moment, Ares 1 is much safer than Atlas V. No one ever got killed by a paper rocket. |
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"John Stoffel" wrote in message ... I keep seeing the comments on the Ares I and it's man rating predictions by NASA, and the arguement that it would be easier to man-rate the Atlas V instead. I kinda agree with that, but shouldn't we work more on getting the man-rating out of NASA's hands and either into the hands of the FAA, which actually deals with money making (sometimes) companies, or better yet with Lloyd's of London, which has lots of experience in determining the risks they are willing to cover. It's not human life is priceless, if it was, would we have life insurance? NASA's human rating requirements only apply to NASA vehicles. Commercial vehicles are not subject to them. Thankfully. |
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Kim Keller wrote: "John Stoffel" wrote in message ... I keep seeing the comments on the Ares I and it's man rating predictions by NASA, and the arguement that it would be easier to man-rate the Atlas V instead. I kinda agree with that, but shouldn't we work more on getting the man-rating out of NASA's hands and either into the hands of the FAA, which actually deals with money making (sometimes) companies, or better yet with Lloyd's of London, which has lots of experience in determining the risks they are willing to cover. It's not human life is priceless, if it was, would we have life insurance? NASA's human rating requirements only apply to NASA vehicles. Commercial vehicles are not subject to them. Thankfully. I think they apply to commercial vehicles carrying NASA astronauts. |
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In article om,
Alex Terrell wrote: NASA's human rating requirements only apply to NASA vehicles. Commercial vehicles are not subject to them. Thankfully. I think they apply to commercial vehicles carrying NASA astronauts. That is actually an open question, since the issue has not yet really arisen. If NASA comes under pressure to use vehicles whose operators can demonstrate adequate safety by alternate means (e.g. a successful test program) and balk at a costly paperwork exercise, we might suddenly find that those requirements don't in fact apply. Applicability is a political decision, not a technical one. There is already a precedent for NASA buying seats for NASA astronauts on non-human-rated vehicles, since Soyuz is not human-rated. The question is whether that precedent applies to new commercial vehicles, and that's entirely a political decision. -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | |
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"Alex Terrell" wrote in message ps.com... I think they apply to commercial vehicles carrying NASA astronauts. Yeah, that's probably true. NASA "customers" aside, launcher/spacecraft that will be operated on a commercial basis won't have to meet those requirements, which even NASA's own vehicles (plus Russia's) don't meet. Personally, I think that once an operator demonstrates consistently safe operations NASA will cave on its requirements - although I'm not holding my breath waiting for the day NASA buys a seat on a truly commercial carrier. It will still want to own/operate its own transportation and it will still levy its own over-burdensome requirements on the builder of whatever system it wants. |
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On 14 Oct 2006 11:58:44 -0700, in a place far, far away, "Alex
Terrell" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Kim Keller wrote: "John Stoffel" wrote in message ... I keep seeing the comments on the Ares I and it's man rating predictions by NASA, and the arguement that it would be easier to man-rate the Atlas V instead. I kinda agree with that, but shouldn't we work more on getting the man-rating out of NASA's hands and either into the hands of the FAA, which actually deals with money making (sometimes) companies, or better yet with Lloyd's of London, which has lots of experience in determining the risks they are willing to cover. It's not human life is priceless, if it was, would we have life insurance? NASA's human rating requirements only apply to NASA vehicles. Commercial vehicles are not subject to them. Thankfully. I think they apply to commercial vehicles carrying NASA astronauts. So far, that's an oxymoron. |
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