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Old May 10th 07, 07:39 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
Pentcho Valev
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Default THE RELATIVITY FRAUD: SIMPLE AND MONUMENTAL

There is an elementary equation in physics:

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength. The
frequency does vary and clever relativists have always known that the
frequency variation is due to a variation of the speed of light.
However they have also known that this variability of the speed of
light is fatal not only for the theory of relativity but also for the
whole modern physics. On the other hand, the world (not only clever
relativists) has always known that Einstein's relativity is based on
the assumption that the speed of light is constant, not variable. How
then could the collapse of modern physics be avoided?

Through destruction of rationality in science. If you manage to
destroy it, scientists would accept anything: that the wavelength
rather than the speed of light varies, that the speed of light does
indeed vary but not locally, that the problem of the variability of
the speed of light disappeared when Einstein created his general
relativity, that the speed of light is variable in general relativity
but constant in special relativity, that the frequency variation is
due to gravitational time dilation, not to the variation of the speed
of light, etc. etc. There seems to be no absurd explanation that
relativity hypnotists have not contrived and taught. The destruction
of rationality in science is irreversible.

Pentcho Valev

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Old May 10th 07, 08:24 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
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On May 10, 1:39 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
There is an elementary equation in physics:

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength. The
frequency does vary and clever relativists have always known that the
frequency variation is due to a variation of the speed of light.
However they have also known that this variability of the speed of
light is fatal not only for the theory of relativity but also for the
whole modern physics. On the other hand, the world (not only clever
relativists) has always known that Einstein's relativity is based on
the assumption that the speed of light is constant, not variable. How
then could the collapse of modern physics be avoided?

Through destruction of rationality in science. If you manage to
destroy it, scientists would accept anything: that the wavelength
rather than the speed of light varies, that the speed of light does
indeed vary but not locally, that the problem of the variability of
the speed of light disappeared when Einstein created his general
relativity, that the speed of light is variable in general relativity
but constant in special relativity, that the frequency variation is
due to gravitational time dilation, not to the variation of the speed
of light, etc. etc. There seems to be no absurd explanation that
relativity hypnotists have not contrived and taught. The destruction
of rationality in science is irreversible.

Pentcho Valev


The Pentco Valev Boredom: Simple-minded and boring.

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Old May 10th 07, 10:31 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
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On May 10, 12:39 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
There is an elementary equation in physics:

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength. The
frequency does vary and clever relativists have always known that the
frequency variation is due to a variation of the speed of light.
However they have also known that this variability of the speed of
light is fatal not only for the theory of relativity but also for the
whole modern physics. On the other hand, the world (not only clever
relativists) has always known that Einstein's relativity is based on
the assumption that the speed of light is constant, not variable. How
then could the collapse of modern physics be avoided?

Through destruction of rationality in science. If you manage to
destroy it, scientists would accept anything: that the wavelength
rather than the speed of light varies, that the speed of light does
indeed vary but not locally, that the problem of the variability of
the speed of light disappeared when Einstein created his general
relativity, that the speed of light is variable in general relativity
but constant in special relativity, that the frequency variation is
due to gravitational time dilation, not to the variation of the speed
of light, etc. etc. There seems to be no absurd explanation that
relativity hypnotists have not contrived and taught. The destruction
of rationality in science is irreversible.

Pentcho Valev



It is conceivable that light does reduce in velocity according to
General Relativity. In reaction to this, the photon's path curves in
toward the gravitating body, in order to maintain the path of least
resistance.

This is similar in principle to Snell's law, in terms of how the
density gradient of the transmitting material affects the refraction
rate. The greater a change toward increasing density, the greater a
refraction is observed.

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Old May 10th 07, 11:50 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
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wrote in message ups.com...
On May 10, 12:39 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
There is an elementary equation in physics:

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength. The
frequency does vary and clever relativists have always known that the
frequency variation is due to a variation of the speed of light.
However they have also known that this variability of the speed of
light is fatal not only for the theory of relativity but also for the
whole modern physics. On the other hand, the world (not only clever
relativists) has always known that Einstein's relativity is based on
the assumption that the speed of light is constant, not variable. How
then could the collapse of modern physics be avoided?

Through destruction of rationality in science. If you manage to
destroy it, scientists would accept anything: that the wavelength
rather than the speed of light varies, that the speed of light does
indeed vary but not locally, that the problem of the variability of
the speed of light disappeared when Einstein created his general
relativity, that the speed of light is variable in general relativity
but constant in special relativity, that the frequency variation is
due to gravitational time dilation, not to the variation of the speed
of light, etc. etc. There seems to be no absurd explanation that
relativity hypnotists have not contrived and taught. The destruction
of rationality in science is irreversible.

Pentcho Valev



It is conceivable that light does reduce in velocity according to
General Relativity.



Conceivable? Are you having twins or talking about wild imagination?


In reaction to this, the photon's path curves in
toward the gravitating body, in order to maintain the path of least
resistance.



Resistance? What resistance?



This is similar in principle to Snell's law,


This has nothing to do with Snell.

Try a little conceiving, it is not difficult.
Stand between two candles, then walk toward one as you walk away from the other.
How fast is the light coming toward you in your wonderfully inertial frame of reference,
or even in your wonderful aether, one blue shifted and the other red shifted?

But look!
IN PICTURES:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...AC/doppler.gif

The frequency the gold antenna sees is 2 and the wavelength is 1/2.
2* 1/2 = 1, the speed is one.
The frequency the purple antenna sees is 0 and the wavelength is infinite.
0*1/0 = 1, the speed is one.
Self-fulfilling idiocy!

There is an elementary equation in physics:
Velocity = frequency at source * perceived wavelength
because the perceived wavelength is the distance between crests, and
that is tied to the frequency.
Frequency is invariant.
It is INCONCEIVABLE for Einstein to have ever had a ****ing clue.
Only-one-speed-of-light cranks should be shot on sight.











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Old May 10th 07, 01:57 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
harry[_1_]
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"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
ps.com...

As this is coming back at infinium, I'll do one last effort to stop it (with
very little chance of success, I know!)...

There is an elementary equation in physics:

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)


1. So far it's OK. But what do you claim is cause, and what is effect?

According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength.


2. *Not* according to the standard wave theory that that equation relates
to. Can you figure out why? (see question 1).

* Note: Here's a hint. Suppose that you are driving a car. There is an
elementary equation in physics:
speed = distance / time.
- Would you REALLY claim that if the speed of your car varies, this could
be due to a variation of either the distance or the time?

Harald


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Old May 10th 07, 02:16 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
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"harry" wrote in message
...

"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
ps.com...

As this is coming back at infinium, I'll do one last effort to stop it
(with very little chance of success, I know!)...

There is an elementary equation in physics:

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)


1. So far it's OK. But what do you claim is cause, and what is effect?


What cause and what effect .. they three things are interrelated

According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength.


2. *Not* according to the standard wave theory that that equation relates
to. Can you figure out why? (see question 1).


Eh?

* Note: Here's a hint. Suppose that you are driving a car. There is an
elementary equation in physics:
speed = distance / time.
- Would you REALLY claim that if the speed of your car varies, this could
be due to a variation of either the distance or the time?


Yes

If the distance the car travels in the given time changes, then that is a
change in speed

If the time the car takes to travel a given distance change, then that is a
change in speed

Do you not understand that?


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Old May 10th 07, 03:05 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
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On May 10, 4:50 am, "Androcles"
wrote:
wrote in oglegroups.com...
On May 10, 12:39 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
There is an elementary equation in physics:


frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)


According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength. The
frequency does vary and clever relativists have always known that the
frequency variation is due to a variation of the speed of light.
However they have also known that this variability of the speed of
light is fatal not only for the theory of relativity but also for the
whole modern physics. On the other hand, the world (not only clever
relativists) has always known that Einstein's relativity is based on
the assumption that the speed of light is constant, not variable. How
then could the collapse of modern physics be avoided?


Through destruction of rationality in science. If you manage to
destroy it, scientists would accept anything: that the wavelength
rather than the speed of light varies, that the speed of light does
indeed vary but not locally, that the problem of the variability of
the speed of light disappeared when Einstein created his general
relativity, that the speed of light is variable in general relativity
but constant in special relativity, that the frequency variation is
due to gravitational time dilation, not to the variation of the speed
of light, etc. etc. There seems to be no absurd explanation that
relativity hypnotists have not contrived and taught. The destruction
of rationality in science is irreversible.


Pentcho Valev


It is conceivable that light does reduce in velocity according to
General Relativity.


Conceivable? Are you having twins or talking about wild imagination?

In reaction to this, the photon's path curves in
toward the gravitating body, in order to maintain the path of least
resistance.


Resistance? What resistance?



This is similar in principle to Snell's law,


This has nothing to do with Snell.

Try a little conceiving, it is not difficult.
Stand between two candles, then walk toward one as you walk away from the other.
How fast is the light coming toward you in your wonderfully inertial frame of reference,
or even in your wonderful aether, one blue shifted and the other red shifted?

But look!
IN PICTURES:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...AC/doppler.gif

The frequency the gold antenna sees is 2 and the wavelength is 1/2.
2* 1/2 = 1, the speed is one.
The frequency the purple antenna sees is 0 and the wavelength is infinite.
0*1/0 = 1, the speed is one.
Self-fulfilling idiocy!

There is an elementary equation in physics:
Velocity = frequency at source * perceived wavelength
because the perceived wavelength is the distance between crests, and
that is tied to the frequency.
Frequency is invariant.
It is INCONCEIVABLE for Einstein to have ever had a ****ing clue.
Only-one-speed-of-light cranks should be shot on sight.



The same type of resistance to motion that any kind of energy has. The
denser it is, the more it resists motion through it by other energy.

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Old May 10th 07, 03:20 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
Androcles
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"harry" wrote in message ...

"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
ps.com...

As this is coming back at infinium, I'll do one last effort to stop it (with
very little chance of success, I know!)...

There is an elementary equation in physics:

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)


1. So far it's OK. But what do you claim is cause, and what is effect?


What's the cause of an equation?
You ****in' lunatic!


According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength.


2. *Not* according to the standard wave theory that that equation relates
to. Can you figure out why? (see question 1).

* Note: Here's a hint. Suppose that you are driving a car. There is an
elementary equation in physics:
speed = distance / time.


Here's another:
frequency = 1/time.

So velocity = distance * frequency.

Oh... that's what he said... ****ing hell!



- Would you REALLY claim that if the speed of your car varies, this could
be due to a variation of either the distance or the time?

Of course it is, dumb****.




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Old May 10th 07, 03:20 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
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wrote in message ups.com...
On May 10, 4:50 am, "Androcles"
wrote:
wrote in oglegroups.com...
On May 10, 12:39 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
There is an elementary equation in physics:


frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)


According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength. The
frequency does vary and clever relativists have always known that the
frequency variation is due to a variation of the speed of light.
However they have also known that this variability of the speed of
light is fatal not only for the theory of relativity but also for the
whole modern physics. On the other hand, the world (not only clever
relativists) has always known that Einstein's relativity is based on
the assumption that the speed of light is constant, not variable. How
then could the collapse of modern physics be avoided?


Through destruction of rationality in science. If you manage to
destroy it, scientists would accept anything: that the wavelength
rather than the speed of light varies, that the speed of light does
indeed vary but not locally, that the problem of the variability of
the speed of light disappeared when Einstein created his general
relativity, that the speed of light is variable in general relativity
but constant in special relativity, that the frequency variation is
due to gravitational time dilation, not to the variation of the speed
of light, etc. etc. There seems to be no absurd explanation that
relativity hypnotists have not contrived and taught. The destruction
of rationality in science is irreversible.


Pentcho Valev


It is conceivable that light does reduce in velocity according to
General Relativity.


Conceivable? Are you having twins or talking about wild imagination?

In reaction to this, the photon's path curves in
toward the gravitating body, in order to maintain the path of least
resistance.


Resistance? What resistance?



This is similar in principle to Snell's law,


This has nothing to do with Snell.

Try a little conceiving, it is not difficult.
Stand between two candles, then walk toward one as you walk away from the other.
How fast is the light coming toward you in your wonderfully inertial frame of reference,
or even in your wonderful aether, one blue shifted and the other red shifted?

But look!
IN PICTURES:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...AC/doppler.gif

The frequency the gold antenna sees is 2 and the wavelength is 1/2.
2* 1/2 = 1, the speed is one.
The frequency the purple antenna sees is 0 and the wavelength is infinite.
0*1/0 = 1, the speed is one.
Self-fulfilling idiocy!

There is an elementary equation in physics:
Velocity = frequency at source * perceived wavelength
because the perceived wavelength is the distance between crests, and
that is tied to the frequency.
Frequency is invariant.
It is INCONCEIVABLE for Einstein to have ever had a ****ing clue.
Only-one-speed-of-light cranks should be shot on sight.



The same type of resistance to motion that any kind of energy has. The
denser it is, the more it resists motion through it by other energy.


You must be pretty dense if you hallucinate vacuum has any density.
What have you got, a wooden block on your shoulders, ****wit?


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Old May 10th 07, 03:47 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
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"Jeckyl" wrote in message
...
"harry" wrote in message
...

"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
ps.com...

As this is coming back at infinium, I'll do one last effort to stop it
(with very little chance of success, I know!)...

There is an elementary equation in physics:

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)


1. So far it's OK. But what do you claim is cause, and what is effect?


What cause and what effect .. they three things are interrelated


That's an all too dumb position to take, but Pentcho took that exactly - and
of course he messed up.

According to the equation, if the frequency varies, this could be due
to a variation of either the speed of light or the wavelength.


2. *Not* according to the standard wave theory that that equation relates
to. Can you figure out why? (see question 1).


Eh?

* Note: Here's a hint. Suppose that you are driving a car. There is an
elementary equation in physics:
speed = distance / time.
- Would you REALLY claim that if the speed of your car varies, this
could be due to a variation of either the distance or the time?


Yes

If the distance the car travels in the given time changes, then that is a
change in speed

If the time the car takes to travel a given distance change, then that is
a change in speed

Do you not understand that?


Sure. That was not my question to Pentcho - do you not understand that? And
if you know another way to end his "simple and monumental" nonsense, don't
hesitate!

Cheers,
Harald


 




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