Enterprise Designer dies

Matt Jeffries, the designer of the original Enterprise, died today.

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:08:58 GMT, (Henry Spencer)
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In article ,
Scott Hedrick wrote:
Matt Jeffries, the designer of the original Enterprise, died today.

He must have been awfully old, since the original Enterprise was a
schooner launched in 1799. Or did you mean the USN aircraft carrier
launched in 1936? :-)

....No, he designed the original "Star Trek" USS Enterprise. The one
with the battleship grey paint job. And just for being a smartass, I'm
claiming an ICH T-Shirt for that one, Henry :-P


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(Henry Spencer) wrote in message ...
In article ,
Scott Hedrick wrote:
Matt Jeffries, the designer of the original Enterprise, died today.

He must have been awfully old, since the original Enterprise was a
schooner launched in 1799. Or did you mean the USN aircraft carrier
launched in 1936? :-)

1799 was the 3rd Enterprise in the USN. 1st Enterprise was a
sloop-of-war captured from the British in 1775, served in Lake
Champlain, fought at the battle of Valcour, was burned along with the
rest of Benedicts Arnold fleet in 1777 to prevent capture by the
British (the Philadelphia @ Smithsonian American History, the oldest
existing US warship, was sunk at Valcour).

The Continental Congress purchased an Enterprise from Maryland in 1776
to patrol the Chesapeake, returning it after two months.

1799 was the 3rd Enterprise, the first ship built for the USN as
Enterprise, so I guess you could call its designer the "designer of
the original USS Enterprise".

4th Enterprise was a 1831 schooner that sailed around the world,
decommed in 1844.

5th Enterprise was the 1877 steam sloop-of-war, which was sold in
1909.

6th Enterprise was CV-6, commissioned 1938, sold in 1958.

7th Enterprise was CV(A)N-65, commissioned 1961. Scheduled to decomm
sometime in the 2010's.

I don't know when the "USS" started to appear in ships names, so I
don't know which might have been the first ship to be contemporarily
referred to as "USS Enterprise". When Constitution was launched in
1797 she was commissioned as "USS Constitution" so #3 would have been
a USS Enterprise, but I don't know about the previous ones.

I always knew interning at the US Naval Historical Center would come
in handy some day.

Chris Manteuffel

Matt Jeffries, in case it hasn't been pointed out, is the designer of the
USS ENTERPRISE that was commissioned in 2245 ... and is about seven or eight
feet long. And if you don't think it belongs in s.s.h., argue with the
Smithsonian; it was on display in the NASM for a number of years.

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Jay Windley wrote:


"Hallerb" wrote in message
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| Yeah I saw it there, a highlight of that visit. Where is it today?

Unfortunately I do not know. I'm told one of the improved Constitution
class heavy cruiser models is on display in a theme park in California, but
I know for a fact that the self-destruction of the Enterprise in "The Search
for Spock" was filmed by destroying the model itself. So the one currently
on display must be one built after that.


That is not true. The destruction of the Enterprise in TSFS was created
using a series of different models, and not the original 8 foot model
built for ST:TMP.

The original 11 foot model used in TOS is still on display at NASM, but it
has been moved over the years after the so-called 1991 "restoration".
-Mike

"Mike Dicenso" wrote in message
zona.edu...
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| That is not true. The destruction of the Enterprise in TSFS was created
| using a series of different models, and not the original 8 foot model
| built for ST:TMP.

_American Cinematographer_ published an interview with the FX technicians
who seem to state otherwise. They made a special point about relishing
blowing it up because it was such a difficult model to work with. I'll have
to go back and dig up the issue out of my attic, but I was pretty sure they
were talking about the big model. It's possible they were talking about a
smaller one. Obviously if we can point to a surviving large-scale model,
they must not have blow that one up.

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:07:38 -0700, Mike Dicenso
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Jay Windley wrote:

....Totally wrong. Just like his bandwidth wasting attempts to prove
he's smarter than the group trolls.

That is not true. The destruction of the Enterprise in TSFS was created
using a series of different models, and not the original 8 foot model
built for ST:TMP.

....Correct. The top of the saucer section was recreated two ways:

1) in a styro compound that didn't produce blackened outgassing when
burned. This is what we seen on fire before the saucer blows.

2) in glass, and then exploded from underneath using a combination of
pyrotechnics and a shotgun. This produced the proper amount of
fragmentation when the saucer blows.

....The two shots were aligned with a third shot of the TMP Enterprise
to provide the nacelles. If you have a DVD copy of STIII, you can
still frame this scene to see just where the cut occurs between the
burning and the blast. While it wasn't noticeable in the theaters,
it's not as clean as it should be.


OM

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"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:26:26 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"
wrote:

Matt Jeffries, the designer of the original Enterprise, died today.

http://www.trektoday.com/news/210703_04.shtml

http://www.startrek.com/news/news.asp?ID=129357

...Damn. That's all I can say. Damn.


shoulda been whoever did the "original blueprints", remember those?

Fascinating when I was a kid, but I dusted them off a couple eyars ago.
*Really* stupid interior layout. The Captain's quarters, the bridge, and the
briefing room are all on separate levels, for starters.

But the exterior model was *way* cool g

Thanks, Matt, and RIP

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"Jay Windley" wrote in message
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"Mike Dicenso" wrote in message
zona.edu...
|
| That is not true. The destruction of the Enterprise in TSFS was created
| using a series of different models, and not the original 8 foot model
| built for ST:TMP.

_American Cinematographer_ published an interview with the FX technicians
who seem to state otherwise. They made a special point about relishing
blowing it up because it was such a difficult model to work with. I'll
have
to go back and dig up the issue out of my attic, but I was pretty sure
they
were talking about the big model. It's possible they were talking about a
smaller one. Obviously if we can point to a surviving large-scale model,
they must not have blow that one up.


Please do since the Star Trek magazine I have from Dec. states teh same as
Mike states.


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"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
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In article ,
Scott Hedrick wrote:
Matt Jeffries, the designer of the original Enterprise, died today.

He must have been awfully old, since the original Enterprise was a
schooner launched in 1799. Or did you mean the USN aircraft carrier
launched in 1936? :-)

Wasn't Enterprize built by Henry VIII to test concepts for the Mary Rose?
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