Roswell Alien Autopsy - Pathologist's View

Hi,

I put below copies of two articles about Roswell autopsy video for
comments.
These copies are from years 1995 and 1998.

(this video is available in the internet and it is about 17 min long,
Hint: Use Google search machine and select search words Roswell
autopsy,
and select also images)

Please give your comments about this strange matter !

Best Regards,

Hannu Poropudas


From: (Colin Douthwaite)
Subject: Roswell Alien Autopsy - Pathologist's View
Date: 1995/09/16
Message-ID: #1/1
X-Deja-AN: 110261521
organization: Southern InterNet Services
newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.skeptic


This article, by an M.D., may have escaped the notice of many
readers of the Roswell Alien Autopsy threads so it is reposted here
to add to the extensive debate on the recent TV screenings:


-------------------- reposted from sci.med -----------------

From: Ed Uthman
Newsgroups:sci.med.pathology,sci.med,misc.educatio n.medical,
alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Fox's "Alien Autopsy" - A Pathologist's View
Date: 15 Sep 1995 01:12:20 GMT
Organization: Pathanarchy
Message-ID:

I have just watched a tape of this very interesting show, but I must
say that I have to be a little less charitable than the pathologist
commentators on the show. I think it is a hoax, for some of the
reasons brought up on the show and other reasons of my own.

1. I agree with the cinematographer whose suspicion was raised when
the close-up shots were out of focus. Clearly the camera _could_
focus closely, as in the external shots and shots of the excised
"organs" on the table, but where you really needed resolution to
figure out the anatomy (the in situ shots), the film was
conveniently fuzzy.

2. Any pathologist involved in such a case would be obsessed with
documenting the findings. He would be systematically demonstrating
findings every step of the way, such as showing how the joints
worked, whether the eyelids closed, etc. He should be ordering the
cameraman all over the place, but instead the cameraman was totally
ignored, like he wasn't there at all. The pathologist acted more
like an actor in front of a camera than someone who was cooperating
in a photographic documentation session.

3. The prosector used scissors like a tailor, not like a pathologist
or surgeon. He held the scissors with thumb and forefinger, whereas
pathologists and surgeons put the thumb in one scissors hole and the
middle or ring finger in the other. The forefinger is used to steady
the scissors further up toward the blades.

4. The way the initial cuts in the skin were made a little too
Hollywood-like, too gingerly, like operating on a living patient.
Autopsy cuts are deeper and faster.

5. I would expect the skin of a species with a jointed endoskeleton
to be elastic, so it could move with and glide over moving joints.
When cuts were made in the "alien's" skin, the edges of the skin did
not retract from the blade.

6. The most implausible thing of all is that the "alien" just had
amorphous lumps of tissue in "her" body cavities. I cannot fathom
that an alien who had external organs so much like ours could not
have some sort of definitive structural organs internally. And
again, the prosectors did not make any attempt to arrange the organs
for demonstration to the camera.

7. This of course is outside my area of expertise, but the whole
production just did not "look right" for a military documentary of
the 1940's. I'm sure an expert in lighting, cinematography, etc.
could be a bit more specific. Maybe they should have hired the guy
who did Woody Allen's _Zelig_ to give the production a little more
technical verisimilitude.

8. And the "period pieces," the wall phone and electric wall clock
were just a little too glib, IMHO.

9. Oh, yeah. The body was not propped up on a body block (which goes
under the back during the examination of the trunk and under the
head for removal of the brain). This is a very basic piece of
autopsy equipment, and all pathologists use it.

So, I think it was a really fine effort, worthy even of a Cal Tech
prank, but not quite good enough to be believable.

Ed Uthman, MD
Pathologist
Houston/Richmond, TX, USA

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Bye,


---------COPY OF PART OF THE SECOND (STRANGE ???) ARTICLE
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From: Peter Kazlouski
Subject: INITIAL FINDINGS UPON EXAMINATION AND AUTOPSY OF THE BODY OF
AN APPARENT ALIEN CREATURE
Date: 1998/04/26
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EMHP wrote:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
SUBJECT AUTOPSY REPORT 1
DATE 7/14/47
COPY ONE OF THREE

INITIAL FINDINGS UPON EXAMINATION AND AUTOPSY OF THE BODY OF AN
APPARENT ALIEN CREATURE

1. External Appearance

This body was observed to be in a state of significant
deterioration.
It had been preserved with formaldehyde solution but not otherwise
dissected.

The cadaver was 44 inches long with a weight of 27 pounds when the
preservative solution had been drained.

The external appearance of this cadaver was of a human embryo with
an
enlarged cranium. Hands and feet were normal. Fingers and toenails
had been had been pared. Fingerprints of a swirl-left pattern were
observed and taken. All ten fingers and toes were apparent. There
was some vestigial webbing between first and second fingers and
toes.

Sexual organs appeared to be those of a male. They were in an
embryonic state and revealed no evidence of pubescence.

Ears were partially formed, and showed some evidence of surgical
intervention.
Folds of skin had been drawn out from the surface of the scalp in an
apparent attempt to create the impression of a more fully developed
ear than was actually present.

Lips were vestigial and the mouth contained no erupted teeth. The
nose was also in an incomplete state of growth and had also received
surgical intervention, resulting in what appeared to be a very thin
a
delicate organ.

Eyes were distinguished by extensive surgical intervention. They
were
almond-shaped and by far the most prominent facial feature. The
eyeballs were not matured and appeared to have been sutured with
artificial lenses of an unknown type. Because of their extremely
unusual condition, dissection of these eyes was not attempted.

2. Dissection

An incision was made from the thorax to the scrotum. The skin was
first extended from the fascia and the fascia was observed to be
consistent with the appearance of an immature human male. The
fascia
were then dissected and the internal organs were observed. The
position of the heart was observed to be vertical, as would be
consistent with a very early fetus, prior to the fourth month. The
organ was prominent and was weighed to be 1/70th of the mass of the
body. When the organ was dissected it was found that there was
direct
communication between the two auricles through the formen ovale.
The
Eustachian valve was observed to be large. A ductus arteriosus was
observed to communicate between the pulmonary artery and the
descending aorta. This ductus opened into the descending aorta
just below the origin of the left subclavian artery.

Alterations in the structure of the circulatory system suggested
that
this body had been surgically corrected to detach it from placental
dependence in an artificial manner. The stomach was opened and
found
to be free of any food substances. The cardiac orifice was
apparently
atrophied, although the deterioration of the corpus made this
difficult to determine. It is possible that this individual did not
eat.

The liver was prominent and it was clear that the blood of the
umbilical vein would traverse it before entering the inferior cava.
The umbilical vein itself had been severed of its placental crown
and
returned to the circulatory system by a means that was beyond the
scope of this dissection to establish.

The lungs were not developed. There were lateral pouches on either
side of the central diverticulum, open through into the pharynx.
The
larynx was somewhat cartilaginous and the trachea was developed.

It is probable that this individual did not breathe and more than he
ate. The means of sustaining life is unknown, if he was ever alive
in
any practical sense.

The cranium was dissected and it was found that the skull was formed
of exceptionally thin and pliant cartilaginous material, appearing
to
be bone precursor that had been affected in some manner, making it
more than usually thin and delicate. The brain itself was
extensively
and surprisingly formed. There was an unknown cortex superimposed
on
the forebrain and extending as far back as the fissure of Ralando.

Because of this extraordinary formation it was decided not to pursue
dissection of the brain at this time. The organ was extracted and
placed in fluid preservation pending further study.

Overall, this corpus presented the appearance of a human embryo of
three to four months duration that had been the subject of
considerable alteration and modification, some of it obviously
surgical. Other modifications, such as that of the brain, were
harder
to understand. In addition to the alterations, there
was the matter of the size of the body and the relatively mature
condition of the epidermis and nails. It would appear that this
fetus
was separated from its mother and brought to a semi-functional state
by artificial means.

3. Conclusion

This is a human fetus that has been subjected to forced maturation
without normal gestation. Its degree of functionality while living
if
it ever was alive is unknown.

TOP SECRET MAJIC

SUBJECT AUTOPSY REPORT 2
DATE 7/14/47
COPY ONE OF THREE

INITIAL FINDINGS UPON EXAMINATION
AND AUTOPSY OF THE BODY OF AN
APPARENT ALIEN CREATURE

1. External Appearance

This body was observed to be in a state of profound deterioration.
It
had not been preserved but was delivered in a container of
rubberized
canvas, to which some of the tissue had adhered. The cadaver was 36
inches long with a weight of 8 pounds. The external appearance of
this cadaver was not of a human type.

The skin appeared smooth and a dark bluish-gray in color. There was
no clothing on the body. There were no genitals and no was of
determining sex, if any. The nose consisted of two slits, the mouth
was a small opening that did not appear to be supported by an
articulated jaw, and there were holes in the position of ears. The
cranium was round and large in proportion to the body and the eyes
were almond-shaped. The eyes were closed and could not be opened
without damaging structures, due to condition of decaying tissue.

Arms and wrists were very thin. The hands displayed a three-digit
arrangement without thumb. The arms extended to approximately three
inches above the knee. The three fingers extended directly from the
wrist, with no palm.

2. Dissection

The body was opened from crotch to chin. A green liquid emerged
from
the incision. The skin was not backed by fascia, and the bone
structure appeared to be a cartilaginous substance of light
green-blue
color.

Internal organs were observed but their function was unclear. The
thoracic and peritoneal cavities communicated and there appeared to
be
no respiratory system and no stomach. The esophagus was vestigial
and
dissipated before reaching another organ.

There appeared to be two multi-chambered hearts and it was surmised
that body fluid could be pumped rapidly. There was an extensive
circulatory system that involved three different types of vein.
Some
material was extracted from one of these systems and suggested
possible waste, leading to the notion that waste may have been
exuded
through the skin.

The fluid removed from the body was analyzed under the microscope
and
found to be a vegetable substance, chlorophyll-based. It is
possible
that photosynthesis was the means of obtaining energy.

The cranium was dissected and it was observed that a ridge of
cartilage separated the brain into two completely isolated
components.
The brain was severely deteriorated, but appeared to be extensively
fissured and divided into numerous lobes. Because of the
deterioration the degree of bilateralism of the two halves could not
be determined with any accuracy.

This cadaver exuded an unusually foul odor.

3. Conclusion

This is not a cadaver of a kind previously observed by or known to
this pathologist. It appears to be a form of creature utilizing
elements of both the animal and vegetable.

....

------REST OF PETER'S ARTICLE (MORE OR LESS NOT ACCEPTABLE?) CUT
AWAY--------------

Hi,

Sorry I forget to put the internet addres about Roswell video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQRCmko5cR0

Best Regards,

Hannu

wrote:
Hi,

I put below copies of two articles about Roswell autopsy video for
comments.
These copies are from years 1995 and 1998.

(this video is available in the internet and it is about 17 min long,
Hint: Use Google search machine and select search words Roswell
autopsy,
and select also images)

Please give your comments about this strange matter !

Best Regards,

Hannu Poropudas


From: (Colin Douthwaite)
Subject: Roswell Alien Autopsy - Pathologist's View
Date: 1995/09/16
Message-ID: #1/1
X-Deja-AN: 110261521
organization: Southern InterNet Services
newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.skeptic


This article, by an M.D., may have escaped the notice of many
readers of the Roswell Alien Autopsy threads so it is reposted here
to add to the extensive debate on the recent TV screenings:


-------------------- reposted from sci.med -----------------

From: Ed Uthman
Newsgroups:sci.med.pathology,sci.med,misc.educatio n.medical,
alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Fox's "Alien Autopsy" - A Pathologist's View
Date: 15 Sep 1995 01:12:20 GMT
Organization: Pathanarchy
Message-ID:

I have just watched a tape of this very interesting show, but I must
say that I have to be a little less charitable than the pathologist
commentators on the show. I think it is a hoax, for some of the
reasons brought up on the show and other reasons of my own.

1. I agree with the cinematographer whose suspicion was raised when
the close-up shots were out of focus. Clearly the camera _could_
focus closely, as in the external shots and shots of the excised
"organs" on the table, but where you really needed resolution to
figure out the anatomy (the in situ shots), the film was
conveniently fuzzy.

2. Any pathologist involved in such a case would be obsessed with
documenting the findings. He would be systematically demonstrating
findings every step of the way, such as showing how the joints
worked, whether the eyelids closed, etc. He should be ordering the
cameraman all over the place, but instead the cameraman was totally
ignored, like he wasn't there at all. The pathologist acted more
like an actor in front of a camera than someone who was cooperating
in a photographic documentation session.

3. The prosector used scissors like a tailor, not like a pathologist
or surgeon. He held the scissors with thumb and forefinger, whereas
pathologists and surgeons put the thumb in one scissors hole and the
middle or ring finger in the other. The forefinger is used to steady
the scissors further up toward the blades.

4. The way the initial cuts in the skin were made a little too
Hollywood-like, too gingerly, like operating on a living patient.
Autopsy cuts are deeper and faster.

5. I would expect the skin of a species with a jointed endoskeleton
to be elastic, so it could move with and glide over moving joints.
When cuts were made in the "alien's" skin, the edges of the skin did
not retract from the blade.

6. The most implausible thing of all is that the "alien" just had
amorphous lumps of tissue in "her" body cavities. I cannot fathom
that an alien who had external organs so much like ours could not
have some sort of definitive structural organs internally. And
again, the prosectors did not make any attempt to arrange the organs
for demonstration to the camera.

7. This of course is outside my area of expertise, but the whole
production just did not "look right" for a military documentary of
the 1940's. I'm sure an expert in lighting, cinematography, etc.
could be a bit more specific. Maybe they should have hired the guy
who did Woody Allen's _Zelig_ to give the production a little more
technical verisimilitude.

8. And the "period pieces," the wall phone and electric wall clock
were just a little too glib, IMHO.

9. Oh, yeah. The body was not propped up on a body block (which goes
under the back during the examination of the trunk and under the
head for removal of the brain). This is a very basic piece of
autopsy equipment, and all pathologists use it.

So, I think it was a really fine effort, worthy even of a Cal Tech
prank, but not quite good enough to be believable.

Ed Uthman, MD
Pathologist
Houston/Richmond, TX, USA

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Bye,


---------COPY OF PART OF THE SECOND (STRANGE ???) ARTICLE
---------------------------


From: Peter Kazlouski
Subject: INITIAL FINDINGS UPON EXAMINATION AND AUTOPSY OF THE BODY OF
AN APPARENT ALIEN CREATURE
Date: 1998/04/26
Message-ID:
X-Deja-AN: 347796371
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Complaints-To:
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EMHP wrote:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
SUBJECT AUTOPSY REPORT 1
DATE 7/14/47
COPY ONE OF THREE

INITIAL FINDINGS UPON EXAMINATION AND AUTOPSY OF THE BODY OF AN
APPARENT ALIEN CREATURE

1. External Appearance

This body was observed to be in a state of significant
deterioration.
It had been preserved with formaldehyde solution but not otherwise
dissected.

The cadaver was 44 inches long with a weight of 27 pounds when the
preservative solution had been drained.

The external appearance of this cadaver was of a human embryo with
an
enlarged cranium. Hands and feet were normal. Fingers and toenails
had been had been pared. Fingerprints of a swirl-left pattern were
observed and taken. All ten fingers and toes were apparent. There
was some vestigial webbing between first and second fingers and
toes.

Sexual organs appeared to be those of a male. They were in an
embryonic state and revealed no evidence of pubescence.

Ears were partially formed, and showed some evidence of surgical
intervention.
Folds of skin had been drawn out from the surface of the scalp in an
apparent attempt to create the impression of a more fully developed
ear than was actually present.

Lips were vestigial and the mouth contained no erupted teeth. The
nose was also in an incomplete state of growth and had also received
surgical intervention, resulting in what appeared to be a very thin
a
delicate organ.

Eyes were distinguished by extensive surgical intervention. They
were
almond-shaped and by far the most prominent facial feature. The
eyeballs were not matured and appeared to have been sutured with
artificial lenses of an unknown type. Because of their extremely
unusual condition, dissection of these eyes was not attempted.

2. Dissection

An incision was made from the thorax to the scrotum. The skin was
first extended from the fascia and the fascia was observed to be
consistent with the appearance of an immature human male. The
fascia
were then dissected and the internal organs were observed. The
position of the heart was observed to be vertical, as would be
consistent with a very early fetus, prior to the fourth month. The
organ was prominent and was weighed to be 1/70th of the mass of the
body. When the organ was dissected it was found that there was
direct
communication between the two auricles through the formen ovale.
The
Eustachian valve was observed to be large. A ductus arteriosus was
observed to communicate between the pulmonary artery and the
descending aorta. This ductus opened into the descending aorta
just below the origin of the left subclavian artery.

Alterations in the structure of the circulatory system suggested
that
this body had been surgically corrected to detach it from placental
dependence in an artificial manner. The stomach was opened and
found
to be free of any food substances. The cardiac orifice was
apparently
atrophied, although the deterioration of the corpus made this
difficult to determine. It is possible that this individual did not
eat.

The liver was prominent and it was clear that the blood of the
umbilical vein would traverse it before entering the inferior cava.
The umbilical vein itself had been severed of its placental crown
and
returned to the circulatory system by a means that was beyond the
scope of this dissection to establish.

The lungs were not developed. There were lateral pouches on either
side of the central diverticulum, open through into the pharynx.
The
larynx was somewhat cartilaginous and the trachea was developed.

It is probable that this individual did not breathe and more than he
ate. The means of sustaining life is unknown, if he was ever alive
in
any practical sense.

The cranium was dissected and it was found that the skull was formed
of exceptionally thin and pliant cartilaginous material, appearing
to
be bone precursor that had been affected in some manner, making it
more than usually thin and delicate. The brain itself was
extensively
and surprisingly formed. There was an unknown cortex superimposed
on
the forebrain and extending as far back as the fissure of Ralando.

Because of this extraordinary formation it was decided not to pursue
dissection of the brain at this time. The organ was extracted and
placed in fluid preservation pending further study.

Overall, this corpus presented the appearance of a human embryo of
three to four months duration that had been the subject of
considerable alteration and modification, some of it obviously
surgical. Other modifications, such as that of the brain, were
harder
to understand. In addition to the alterations, there
was the matter of the size of the body and the relatively mature
condition of the epidermis and nails. It would appear that this
fetus
was separated from its mother and brought to a semi-functional state
by artificial means.

3. Conclusion

This is a human fetus that has been subjected to forced maturation
without normal gestation. Its degree of functionality while living
if
it ever was alive is unknown.

TOP SECRET MAJIC

SUBJECT AUTOPSY REPORT 2
DATE 7/14/47
COPY ONE OF THREE

INITIAL FINDINGS UPON EXAMINATION
AND AUTOPSY OF THE BODY OF AN
APPARENT ALIEN CREATURE

1. External Appearance

This body was observed to be in a state of profound deterioration.
It
had not been preserved but was delivered in a container of
rubberized
canvas, to which some of the tissue had adhered. The cadaver was 36
inches long with a weight of 8 pounds. The external appearance of
this cadaver was not of a human type.

The skin appeared smooth and a dark bluish-gray in color. There was
no clothing on the body. There were no genitals and no was of
determining sex, if any. The nose consisted of two slits, the mouth
was a small opening that did not appear to be supported by an
articulated jaw, and there were holes in the position of ears. The
cranium was round and large in proportion to the body and the eyes
were almond-shaped. The eyes were closed and could not be opened
without damaging structures, due to condition of decaying tissue.

Arms and wrists were very thin. The hands displayed a three-digit
arrangement without thumb. The arms extended to approximately three
inches above the knee. The three fingers extended directly from the
wrist, with no palm.

2. Dissection

The body was opened from crotch to chin. A green liquid emerged
from
the incision. The skin was not backed by fascia, and the bone
structure appeared to be a cartilaginous substance of light
green-blue
color.

Internal organs were observed but their function was unclear. The
thoracic and peritoneal cavities communicated and there appeared to
be
no respiratory system and no stomach. The esophagus was vestigial
and
dissipated before reaching another organ.

There appeared to be two multi-chambered hearts and it was surmised
that body fluid could be pumped rapidly. There was an extensive
circulatory system that involved three different types of vein.
Some
material was extracted from one of these systems and suggested
possible waste, leading to the notion that waste may have been
exuded
through the skin.

The fluid removed from the body was analyzed under the microscope
and
found to be a vegetable substance, chlorophyll-based. It is
possible
that photosynthesis was the means of obtaining energy.

The cranium was dissected and it was observed that a ridge of
cartilage separated the brain into two completely isolated
components.
The brain was severely deteriorated, but appeared to be extensively
fissured and divided into numerous lobes. Because of the
deterioration the degree of bilateralism of the two halves could not
be determined with any accuracy.

This cadaver exuded an unusually foul odor.

3. Conclusion

This is not a cadaver of a kind previously observed by or known to
this pathologist. It appears to be a form of creature utilizing
elements of both the animal and vegetable.

...

------REST OF PETER'S ARTICLE (MORE OR LESS NOT ACCEPTABLE?) CUT
AWAY--------------