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Descent Thoughts (was - something and nothing)
Hi Sally You are right we are going round,and round. You throw the text
book theories(you know them well),and I gave you an "A" I went with my own thoughts,because I like to think in every direction. Could you at lest give me a "B-" Always like to think of action at a distance. It has such a mystery about it.(have a theory on it) We have a clock that can only gain or lose a second in two million years,and it gives out a radio signal that is received by clocks around the world. It is interesting that radio photons hitting an antenna are changed to electrons by a radio receiver,and these electrons do the work. Well every day photons open doors for us,and we never say "thank you" I hate when a computer tells me to have a nice day. Bert |
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Descent Thoughts (was - something and nothing)
Following through the idea of energy dissipation by G waves. If they exist
then any oscillating mass must lose a miniscule amount of energy into its surroundings. So how come we still have any bulk movement remaining in the universe? Why hasn't everything just slowed down and stopped? Or maybe, as oc says, the dissipative process is so slow that there just hasn't been enough time since the Whatever Began It All for its effects to be felt yet. Sally "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message ... Bert wrote, I don't think stop and go action is as good as circular energy no matter what. I think stop and go takes more energy than an object going round and round. Pendulums stop and go. By golly you may be right after all, Bert, if the system's energy is disspated by gravity-wave radiation. It's be awful small, and would take a lonnnng time. Lessee what Sally thinks. oc |
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Fascinating stuff. I hope that the investigators factored in losses due to
other types of radiation as well as GW radiation. For example, the mass of the pulsars would be slowly reducing as they shed matter and EM radiation. If so then Bert was right all along...assuming a relativistic system, of course g Sally "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message ... To Sally, Bert, and gang- The Taylor-Hulse binary pulsar reveals the first indirect evidence of GW radiation, first predicted by Einstein in 1915. See- www.psc.edu/science/Taylor/Relativity.html oc |
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Hi Sally I still think its a tie. Its just the fact that the
gravity(weight) on our earth's surface is the strongest it can get for a swinging pendulum..(us To) A car has pistons that stop and go. Lots of energy lost. A rotary engine has the advantage of rotation,and uses less energy.(Winkle) Electric motors rotate. Fly wheels rotate. However nature uses stop and go,and it fits well with sub-microscopic elementary particles,,going with the string theory. Bert |
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Sally wrote, regarding gravity waves
If they exist then any oscillating mass must lose a miniscule amount of energy into its surroundings. So how come we still have any bulk movement remaining in the universe? Why hasn't everything just slowed down and stopped? Being a relative newcomer here, you're not familiar with the theory of the Continuous Big Bang (or CBB model). It has spacetime itself continuously erupting into existance from a central, hypermassive 'Engine' or Primal Particle. The eruption is out its equator because of the very high spin-rate. This pre-BB Singularity is simultaneously re-injesting the old, spent creation back thru its poles, in a closed loop homeostatic Process, driven by gravity. The Process assumes the form of a dual-hemisphered toroid or 'donut'. The sphere of our visible cosmos would be on the scale of a marble embedded in this 'donut', probably near its outer periphery. The CBB model subsumes but does not negate the popular "singular BB" model. But it offers what the "one-shot" model cannot: Affirmation of both the Expanding and Contracting models at once, PLUS validation of Einstein's original lambda or Steady-State idea (his so-called "biggest blunder"). The "one-shot" model calls for an open-ended, ever-accelerating expansion followed by entropic run-down and eventual heat death as you described. The CBB model is perpetually running, fully accomodating all phases of the Process at once, each at its respective station on the cycle. An analogy would be the freon cycle in refrigeration; the central compressor powers the process, while the liquid-gas phase change illustrates the pre-BB/post-BB phase change (the pre-BB state being the hottest part of the cycle and the externalized universe the coldest). oc |
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Thanks for the info oc. I'll do some reading up, then come back and pester
Bert and yourself with questions g Sally "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message ... Sally wrote, regarding gravity waves If they exist then any oscillating mass must lose a miniscule amount of energy into its surroundings. So how come we still have any bulk movement remaining in the universe? Why hasn't everything just slowed down and stopped? Being a relative newcomer here, you're not familiar with the theory of the Continuous Big Bang (or CBB model). It has spacetime itself continuously erupting into existance from a central, hypermassive 'Engine' or Primal Particle. The eruption is out its equator because of the very high spin-rate. This pre-BB Singularity is simultaneously re-injesting the old, spent creation back thru its poles, in a closed loop homeostatic Process, driven by gravity. The Process assumes the form of a dual-hemisphered toroid or 'donut'. The sphere of our visible cosmos would be on the scale of a marble embedded in this 'donut', probably near its outer periphery. The CBB model subsumes but does not negate the popular "singular BB" model. But it offers what the "one-shot" model cannot: Affirmation of both the Expanding and Contracting models at once, PLUS validation of Einstein's original lambda or Steady-State idea (his so-called "biggest blunder"). The "one-shot" model calls for an open-ended, ever-accelerating expansion followed by entropic run-down and eventual heat death as you described. The CBB model is perpetually running, fully accomodating all phases of the Process at once, each at its respective station on the cycle. An analogy would be the freon cycle in refrigeration; the central compressor powers the process, while the liquid-gas phase change illustrates the pre-BB/post-BB phase change (the pre-BB state being the hottest part of the cycle and the externalized universe the coldest). oc |
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Sally wrote,
"Thanks for the info... I'll do some reading up, then come back and pester Bert and yourself with questions g". Well, you won't find anything resembling the CBB model anywhere in the literature, though. It's entirely the brainchild of a late friend and mentor, Gordon Wolter. But talk about serendipity- no doubt you saw the brand new release about millisecond pulsars and gravity waves, just as we were yakking on about GWs. oc |
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Descent Thoughts (was - something and nothing)
oc, Bert
Have a huge backlog of work I'm trying to shift. I'll get back to you all in a day or two. Sally "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message ... Sally wrote, "Thanks for the info... I'll do some reading up, then come back and pester Bert and yourself with questions g". Well, you won't find anything resembling the CBB model anywhere in the literature, though. It's entirely the brainchild of a late friend and mentor, Gordon Wolter. But talk about serendipity- no doubt you saw the brand new release about millisecond pulsars and gravity waves, just as we were yakking on about GWs. oc |
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