Great missions STS-122 & Expedition 16

On Mar 3, 10:06 am, BradGuth wrote:" So, there
never will be any public access to those original full (aka all-
inclusive) format image files of 18 mb each. Figures, doesn't it, we
only get to see those few eye-candy shots as doctored images
because ??????????????"


So you set up your own loaded question, then answer it (typical and
predictable ego boosting tactic), but that does not make it any more
relevant, logical, or factual, just an opinion, so of course in your
opinion you think your opinion is correct, that's not surprising at
all. Now you can call the images I post links to what ever you want,
but you are just re-stating your opinion of them, but that is all you
got, is just your opinions. And I know you think your opinions are
something special, but they are supported by nothing more than you
appealing to your own authority, which means you have arbitrarily
lifted yourself up above others only by a self elevated pedestal, but
the problem is it is based on a foundation of failed logic. So brad
that means you are caught in a nasty circle of supporting your own
ignorance and terrible logic with your own ignorance, and terrible
logic. Now that would be fine, if you kept you opinions to yourself,
but you choose to engage me in this thread, in which I have
demonstrated your failed logic, which therefore would mean your
resulting opinions are not valid, and you pedestal has been broken
into pieces. And so what your above post boils down to is you are
repeating your opinions which are based on flawed logic, and you are
the only person who can cure your ignorance. Now posting more weak
insults, loaded questions, and flawed opinions in response to me just
affirms the fact you would rather attempt to boost your ego, rather
than increase your knowledge, which is a reflection of you and not me...

Here is an expedition 16 image, which caught some lightning in
thunderstorms over Africa at night.
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseo...=E&frame=27999
Astronaut Photography of Earth - Display Record
ISS016-E-27999
AFRICA
PAN-THUNDERSTORMS AT NIGHT

On Mar 3, 11:46 am, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Mar 3, 10:06 am, BradGuth wrote:" So, there
never will be any public access to those original full (aka all-
inclusive) format image files of 18 mb each. Figures, doesn't it, we
only get to see those few eye-candy shots as doctored images
because ??????????????"

So you set up your own loaded question, then answer it (typical and
predictable ego boosting tactic), but that does not make it any more
relevant, logical, or factual, just an opinion, so of course in your
opinion you think your opinion is correct, that's not surprising at
all. Now you can call the images I post links to what ever you want,
but you are just re-stating your opinion of them, but that is all you
got, is just your opinions. And I know you think your opinions are
something special, but they are supported by nothing more than you
appealing to your own authority, which means you have arbitrarily
lifted yourself up above others only by a self elevated pedestal, but
the problem is it is based on a foundation of failed logic. So brad
that means you are caught in a nasty circle of supporting your own
ignorance and terrible logic with your own ignorance, and terrible
logic. Now that would be fine, if you kept you opinions to yourself,
but you choose to engage me in this thread, in which I have
demonstrated your failed logic, which therefore would mean your
resulting opinions are not valid, and you pedestal has been broken
into pieces. And so what your above post boils down to is you are
repeating your opinions which are based on flawed logic, and you are
the only person who can cure your ignorance. Now posting more weak
insults, loaded questions, and flawed opinions in response to me just
affirms the fact you would rather attempt to boost your ego, rather
than increase your knowledge, which is a reflection of you and not me...

Here is an expedition 16 image, which caught some lightning in
thunderstorms over Africa at night.http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseo...ISS016&roll=E&...
Astronaut Photography of Earth - Display Record
ISS016-E-27999
AFRICA
PAN-THUNDERSTORMS AT NIGHT

So, you obviously haven't run out of our eye-candy or of any of those
NASA/ESA infomercial spewed tidbits of hype. Guess the matter of our
ever having full access to those 18 mb image files is a status quo
confirmed no-way. I'm not the least bit surprised.

I'll agree that image resolution and dynamic range isn't of much eye-
candy science worth to the 99.9% of average educated souls. However,
how exactly does one go about extracting good science that can be peer
replicated from such artificially resolution limited and doctored for
hype images?
.. - Brad Guth

On Mar 3, 2:13*pm, BradGuth wrote:"However, how
exactly does one go about extracting good science that can be
peerreplicated..."

See information on the International Polar Year (IPY) March 2007 to
March 2009, where scientists on the ground can request images be taken
by the ISS crew.

The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/IPY/#

The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth
"International Polar Year (IPY) from the International Space Station
(ISS)
New IPY Images taken from the ISS

What is the International Polar Year (IPY)?
The IPY is an international effort to collect relevant scientific data
of the Earth's polar regions. It will last from March 2007 to March
2009. IPY data will be analyzed by scientists to answer fundamental
questions about the Earth's changing climate, the effects of space
weather, and Earth processes recorded from the far reaches of upper
atmosphere to deep in polar ice cores. More information on IPY can be
found at IPY links.

Why is the ISS involved in IPY?
Dr. Don Pettit, ISS crew member on Expedition 6 in 2003, realized the
vantage point astronauts have for repeatedly observing polar features
like the moving boundaries of sea ice, the glowing aurora, and the
occurrence of Polar Mesospheric Clouds. His proposal to the
International IPY committee was accepted (see
http://www.ipy.org/development/eoi/p...ils.php?id=78), and
NASA's Space Operations Mission Directorate endorsed the participation
of the ISS for IPY observations.

How can IPY Scientists Use the ISS?
The ISS provides an observational platform orbiting Earth at 400 km
altitude. IPY investigators can request images from the ISS to augment
their IPY research. The orbital inclination of the ISS at 51.6 degrees
allows astronauts to witness and document features on the surface as
far north and south as 65 degrees, and observe upper atmospheric
phenomena occurring at latitudes up to 80 degrees.

Astronauts routinely use cameras to image earth features. During IPY,
Crew members will be trained to observe and photograph polar features
requested by IPY investigators."

On Mar 3, 2:38 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Mar 3, 2:13 pm, BradGuth wrote:"However, how
exactly does one go about extracting good science that can be
peer replicated..."

See information on the International Polar Year (IPY) March 2007 to
March 2009, where scientists on the ground can request images be taken
by the ISS crew.

That's doable by the likes of terrestrial U2 fly-overs that can be
accomplished as often as need be, at a fraction the cost, and with far
better resolution (more than good enough to count the number of dogs
pulling a sled), otherwise by way of other satellites observing
Earth.
.. - Brad Guth


The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earthhttp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/IPY/#

The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth
"International Polar Year (IPY) from the International Space Station
(ISS)
New IPY Images taken from the ISS

What is the International Polar Year (IPY)?
The IPY is an international effort to collect relevant scientific data
of the Earth's polar regions. It will last from March 2007 to March
2009. IPY data will be analyzed by scientists to answer fundamental
questions about the Earth's changing climate, the effects of space
weather, and Earth processes recorded from the far reaches of upper
atmosphere to deep in polar ice cores. More information on IPY can be
found at IPY links.

Why is the ISS involved in IPY?
Dr. Don Pettit, ISS crew member on Expedition 6 in 2003, realized the
vantage point astronauts have for repeatedly observing polar features
like the moving boundaries of sea ice, the glowing aurora, and the
occurrence of Polar Mesospheric Clouds. His proposal to the
International IPY committee was accepted (seehttp://www.ipy.org/development/eoi/proposal-details.php?id=78), and
NASA's Space Operations Mission Directorate endorsed the participation
of the ISS for IPY observations.

How can IPY Scientists Use the ISS?
The ISS provides an observational platform orbiting Earth at 400 km
altitude. IPY investigators can request images from the ISS to augment
their IPY research. The orbital inclination of the ISS at 51.6 degrees
allows astronauts to witness and document features on the surface as
far north and south as 65 degrees, and observe upper atmospheric
phenomena occurring at latitudes up to 80 degrees.

Astronauts routinely use cameras to image earth features. During IPY,
Crew members will be trained to observe and photograph polar features
requested by IPY investigators."

On Mar 3, 4:25*pm, BradGuth wrote:" That's doable
by the likes of terrestrial U2 fly-overs that can be accomplished as
often as need be, at a fraction the cost,"

na, NASA's ER-2 is a great craft, but it cannot provide the view of
the aurora borealis that the iss can...

Aurora borealis image taken from the expedition 16 crew, participating
in International Polar Year (IPY) research.
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseo...=E&frame=27021
Astronaut Photography of Earth - Quick View
ISS016-E-27021
CANADA
PAN-AURORA BOREALIS, AIRGLOW

On Mar 3, 4:25*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Mar 3, 2:38 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation

wrote:
On Mar 3, 2:13 pm, BradGuth wrote:"However, *how
exactly does one go about extracting good science that can be
peer replicated..."

See information on the International Polar Year (IPY) March 2007 to
March 2009, where scientists on the ground can request images be taken
by the ISS crew.

That's doable by the likes of terrestrial U2 fly-overs that can be
accomplished as often as need be, at a fraction the cost, and with far
better resolution (more than good enough to count the number of dogs
pulling a sled), otherwise by way of other satellites observing
Earth.
. - Brad Guth





The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earthhttp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/IPY/#

The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth
"International Polar Year (IPY) from the International Space Station
(ISS)
New IPY Images taken from the ISS

What is the International Polar Year (IPY)?
The IPY is an international effort to collect relevant scientific data
of the Earth's polar regions. It will last from March 2007 to March
2009. IPY data will be analyzed by scientists to answer fundamental
questions about the Earth's changing climate, the effects of space
weather, and Earth processes recorded from the far reaches of upper
atmosphere to deep in polar ice cores. More information on IPY can be
found at IPY links.

Why is the ISS involved in IPY?
Dr. Don Pettit, ISS crew member on Expedition 6 in 2003, realized the
vantage point astronauts have for repeatedly observing polar features
like the moving boundaries of sea ice, the glowing aurora, and the
occurrence of Polar Mesospheric Clouds. His proposal to the
International IPY committee was accepted (seehttp://www.ipy.org/development/eoi/proposal-details.php?id=78), and
NASA's Space Operations Mission Directorate endorsed the participation
of the ISS for IPY observations.

How can IPY Scientists Use the ISS?
The ISS provides an observational platform orbiting Earth at 400 km
altitude. IPY investigators can request images from the ISS to augment
their IPY research. The orbital inclination of the ISS at 51.6 degrees
allows astronauts to witness and document features on the surface as
far north and south as 65 degrees, and observe upper atmospheric
phenomena occurring at latitudes up to 80 degrees.

Astronauts routinely use cameras to image earth features. During IPY,
Crew members will be trained to observe and photograph polar features
requested by IPY investigators."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

na, NASA's ER-2 is a great craft, but it cannot provide the view of
the aurora borealis that the iss can...


Aurora borealis image taken *by* the expedition 16 crew, participating
in International Polar Year (IPY) research.
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseo...=E&frame=27021
Astronaut Photography of Earth - Quick View
ISS016-E-27021
CANADA
PAN-AURORA BOREALIS, AIRGLOW

*repost with correction*

On Mar 3, 5:04 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Mar 3, 4:25 pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Mar 3, 2:38 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation

wrote:
On Mar 3, 2:13 pm, BradGuth wrote:"However, how
exactly does one go about extracting good science that can be
peer replicated..."

See information on the International Polar Year (IPY) March 2007 to
March 2009, where scientists on the ground can request images be taken
by the ISS crew.

That's doable by the likes of terrestrial U2 fly-overs that can be
accomplished as often as need be, at a fraction the cost, and with far
better resolution (more than good enough to count the number of dogs
pulling a sled), otherwise by way of other satellites observing
Earth.
. - Brad Guth

The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earthhttp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/IPY/#

The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth
"International Polar Year (IPY) from the International Space Station
(ISS)
New IPY Images taken from the ISS

What is the International Polar Year (IPY)?
The IPY is an international effort to collect relevant scientific data
of the Earth's polar regions. It will last from March 2007 to March
2009. IPY data will be analyzed by scientists to answer fundamental
questions about the Earth's changing climate, the effects of space
weather, and Earth processes recorded from the far reaches of upper
atmosphere to deep in polar ice cores. More information on IPY can be
found at IPY links.

Why is the ISS involved in IPY?
Dr. Don Pettit, ISS crew member on Expedition 6 in 2003, realized the
vantage point astronauts have for repeatedly observing polar features
like the moving boundaries of sea ice, the glowing aurora, and the
occurrence of Polar Mesospheric Clouds. His proposal to the
International IPY committee was accepted (seehttp://www.ipy.org/development/eoi/proposal-details.php?id=78), and
NASA's Space Operations Mission Directorate endorsed the participation
of the ISS for IPY observations.

How can IPY Scientists Use the ISS?
The ISS provides an observational platform orbiting Earth at 400 km
altitude. IPY investigators can request images from the ISS to augment
their IPY research. The orbital inclination of the ISS at 51.6 degrees
allows astronauts to witness and document features on the surface as
far north and south as 65 degrees, and observe upper atmospheric
phenomena occurring at latitudes up to 80 degrees.

Astronauts routinely use cameras to image earth features. During IPY,
Crew members will be trained to observe and photograph polar features
requested by IPY investigators."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

na, NASA's ER-2 is a great craft, but it cannot provide the view of
the aurora borealis that the iss can...

Aurora borealis image taken *by* the expedition 16 crew, participating
in International Polar Year (IPY) research.http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseo...ISS016&roll=E&...
Astronaut Photography of Earth - Quick View
ISS016-E-27021
CANADA
PAN-AURORA BOREALIS, AIRGLOW

*repost with correction*

In other words, eye-candy is pretty much all that matters, right up
there with resolution limited and doctored images that do not ever
exceed or fall short of the rules of engagement.
.. - Brad Guth

On Mar 3, 5:01 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Mar 3, 4:25 pm, BradGuth wrote:" That's doable
by the likes of terrestrial U2 fly-overs that can be accomplished as
often as need be, at a fraction the cost,"

na, NASA's ER-2 is a great craft, but it cannot provide the view of
the aurora borealis that the iss can...

Aurora borealis image taken from the expedition 16 crew, participating
in International Polar Year (IPY) research.http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseo...ISS016&roll=E&...
Astronaut Photography of Earth - Quick View
ISS016-E-27021
CANADA
PAN-AURORA BOREALIS, AIRGLOW

At a million hard earned dollars per frame, they'd better be a whole
lot better off. Let us know whenever there's actual science
extracted.
.. - Brad Guth

On Mar 3, 10:29 pm, BradGuth wrote:" At a million
hard earned dollars per frame, they'd better be a whole lot better
off. Let us know whenever there's actual science extracted."

laughing, no need to, I have shown that your over inflated ego fouls
your logic, clouds your critical thinking and comprehension, and so
what you just posted was your usual attempt to place yourself in a
position of authority, which you are not, and I have clearly shown
that in this thread as well. You see brad, actually I posted
information about the experiments that have been just mounted to the
newly added Columbus module and you asked what my point was, in your
weak attempt to reduce the relevance of the achievement, and the
experiment. Then, when you have been provided with images that you
don't like, you have been reduced down to a making an illogical
argument based on a contrived dollar figure posted above, as the
images produced from the iss crew for the international polar year are
not the only science produced from the iss crews, as a whole, and you
know that (see expedition 16 press kit for starters). In addition
you just made the silly statement that I need to "let us" (but im not
sure others want you speaking for them) know when something achieves a
threshold which you are clueless about, you don't see the point of,
and you refuse to acknowledge. So of course I have no need to do any
such thing, as you are fighting to cling to your ignorance, which is
no responsibility of mine...(im still laughing)

This Aurora image taken by the expedition 16 crew, participating in
International Polar Year (IPY) research, is better than the previous
one I posted.

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseo...=E&frame=26696
Astronaut Photography of Earth - Quick View
ISS016-E-26696
CANADA
PAN - AURORA BOREALIS

On Mar 3, 11:46 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Mar 3, 10:29 pm, BradGuth wrote:" At a million
hard earned dollars per frame, they'd better be a whole lot better
off. Let us know whenever there's actual science extracted."

laughing, no need to, I have shown that your over inflated ego fouls
your logic, clouds your critical thinking and comprehension, and so
what you just posted was your usual attempt to place yourself in a
position of authority, which you are not, and I have clearly shown
that in this thread as well. You see brad, actually I posted
information about the experiments that have been just mounted to the
newly added Columbus module and you asked what my point was, in your
weak attempt to reduce the relevance of the achievement, and the
experiment. Then, when you have been provided with images that you
don't like, you have been reduced down to a making an illogical
argument based on a contrived dollar figure posted above, as the
images produced from the iss crew for the international polar year are
not the only science produced from the iss crews, as a whole, and you
know that (see expedition 16 press kit for starters). In addition
you just made the silly statement that I need to "let us" (but im not
sure others want you speaking for them) know when something achieves a
threshold which you are clueless about, you don't see the point of,
and you refuse to acknowledge. So of course I have no need to do any
such thing, as you are fighting to cling to your ignorance, which is
no responsibility of mine...(im still laughing)

This Aurora image taken by the expedition 16 crew, participating in
International Polar Year (IPY) research, is better than the previous
one I posted.

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseo...ISS016&roll=E&...
Astronaut Photography of Earth - Quick View
ISS016-E-26696
CANADA
PAN - AURORA BOREALIS

In other words, you've still got nothing except NASA/ESA scripted
infomercial science, as based extensively upon eye-candy.

Too bad those original images of the raw 18 mb/file are as hard to
come by as were all of those Muslim WMD, ot of anything NASA/Apollo
related.
.. - Brad Guth