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Old January 26th 04, 06:33 AM
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the f
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Henry Spencer wrote:

In article ,
Brett O'Callaghan wrote:
JPL folks were much cheerier today, they have been successfully commanding
Spirit in a mode that avoids use of some of its memory modules -- 'Flash
memort' -- which is suspect.


Has Flash RAM been used in past space probes in any significant way?


Quite successfully on Deep Space 1, as I recall.

Where might one find technical information on the rover such as details
on the computer hardware and software?
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Old January 26th 04, 06:48 AM
Qwerty Yuiop
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You won't find this information because it's bull****. But you go ahead and
search for it. When you can't get it, ask yourself WHY. Or do like all the
other good citizen sheep do and make excuses for the lack of proof. And be
sure to precede each fact with "They probably used..." or "more than likely
it's..."

That way, you'll be believable - And a good presidential candidate!

Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack ) wrote in
message ...


Henry Spencer wrote:

In article ,
Brett O'Callaghan wrote:
JPL folks were much cheerier today, they have been successfully

commanding
Spirit in a mode that avoids use of some of its memory modules -- 'Flash
memort' -- which is suspect.

Has Flash RAM been used in past space probes in any significant way?


Quite successfully on Deep Space 1, as I recall.

Where might one find technical information on the rover such as details
on the computer hardware and software?


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Old January 26th 04, 06:53 AM
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)
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"Qwerty Yuiop" wrote in message
...
You won't find this information because it's bull****. But you go ahead

and
search for it. When you can't get it, ask yourself WHY. Or do like all the
other good citizen sheep do and make excuses for the lack of proof. And be
sure to precede each fact with "They probably used..." or "more than

likely
it's..."


Gee, can't use google?

http://www.axonchisel.net/etc/space/...hts.html?s=ut1



That way, you'll be believable - And a good presidential candidate!

Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack ) wrote in
message ...


Henry Spencer wrote:

In article ,
Brett O'Callaghan wrote:
JPL folks were much cheerier today, they have been successfully

commanding
Spirit in a mode that avoids use of some of its memory modules --

'Flash
memort' -- which is suspect.

Has Flash RAM been used in past space probes in any significant way?

Quite successfully on Deep Space 1, as I recall.

Where might one find technical information on the rover such as details
on the computer hardware and software?




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Old January 26th 04, 08:11 AM
Kilolani
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message
...

"Qwerty Yuiop" wrote in message
...
You won't find this information because it's bull****. But you go ahead

and
search for it. When you can't get it, ask yourself WHY. Or do like all

the
other good citizen sheep do and make excuses for the lack of proof. And

be
sure to precede each fact with "They probably used..." or "more than

likely
it's..."


Gee, can't use google?

http://www.axonchisel.net/etc/space/...hts.html?s=ut1


Hey... his mind's made up... don't confuse him with facts!


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Old January 26th 04, 11:02 AM
Joe Knapp
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
Has Flash RAM been used in past space probes in any significant way?


Quite successfully on Deep Space 1, as I recall.

Where might one find technical information on the rover such as details
on the computer hardware and software?


Here's a description of the single-board computer at least:

http://www.iews.na.baesystems.com/sp...0/rad6000.html

Joe


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Old January 26th 04, 12:31 PM
Cardman
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:02:29 GMT, "Joe Knapp"
wrote:

Here's a description of the single-board computer at least:

http://www.iews.na.baesystems.com/sp...0/rad6000.html


Funny how they call that "low cost" and yet one of those boards will
set you back a few million.

Still, there is the best board around should you like other space
hardware manufacturers wish to put the current best radiation hardened
hardware in your space orientated system.

Cardman
http://www.cardman.com
http://www.cardman.co.uk
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Old January 26th 04, 01:02 PM
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Cardman wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:02:29 GMT, "Joe Knapp"
wrote:


Here's a description of the single-board computer at least:

http://www.iews.na.baesystems.com/sp...0/rad6000.html



Funny how they call that "low cost" and yet one of those boards will
set you back a few million.

Still, there is the best board around should you like other space
hardware manufacturers wish to put the current best radiation hardened
hardware in your space orientated system.

Cardman
http://www.cardman.com
http://www.cardman.co.uk


How do you know that the board is "several million"?
That quote sounds a bit speculative. I designed
bios for carrier class systems and the system boards
were mever over 10K. I can't see testing and rad-hardening
adding more that 10X to the price. 2 Mil? Really??? That's
200 times the price of a highly tested, six nines system.
Jim Davis.
Why is NASA buying from BAE? That STINKS! Note to self, Write congress
and call press.


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Old January 26th 04, 01:59 PM
Cardman
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:02:11 -0800, jimmydevice
wrote:

Cardman wrote:

Funny how they call that "low cost" and yet one of those boards will
set you back a few million.

Still, there is the best board around should you like other space
hardware manufacturers wish to put the current best radiation hardened
hardware in your space orientated system.


How do you know that the board is "several million"?


Well for one that is quite obvious seeing that this is the most
advanced radiation hardened computer system around.

That very board is used in the majority of modern satellites and other
space applications, when its 32-bit architecture and price was well
ahead of previous choices.

Even the place where that hardware was made was subject to a $91
million upgrade a couple of years ago. They don't make such expenses
back by charging peanuts.

That quote sounds a bit speculative.


It is, but I am also not far wrong.

Each of these MERs cost $300 million each, where you can rest assured
that this very brain of these rovers took up at least several of those
million dollars.

If you wish to know the real price, then see if you can obtain from
NASA a cost breakdown on these MERs. After all since that is public
money, then so should NASA be accountable for how it is spent.

And unless their contract with BAE banned them for revealing the exact
price (not that they should care), then sure enough you will be able
to see the exact dollar price tag for yourself.

Well worth the cost as well I can say, when there is no other better
value option.

I designed
bios for carrier class systems and the system boards
were mever over 10K. I can't see testing and rad-hardening
adding more that 10X to the price. 2 Mil? Really??? That's
200 times the price of a highly tested, six nines system.


Well, you should see what goes into these systems, when they need to
be very fault tolerant when a high energy cosmic ray can come along
and mess up any part of it.

The Japanese probe that was headed for Mars and did not quite get
there after a long detour shows you what happens when your computer
control system is not radiation hardened and fault tolerant.

Having to make an entire unique system aimed and well tested to
survive solar storms like that powerful one seen a few months ago is
what does it.

Jim Davis.
Why is NASA buying from BAE? That STINKS! Note to self, Write congress
and call press.


NASA would have made a serious mistake if they did not get this board,
when it is fast, reliable and well tested.

Cardman
http://www.cardman.com
http://www.cardman.co.uk
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Old January 26th 04, 09:53 PM
George William Herbert
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jimmydevice wrote:
Funny how they call that "low cost" and yet one of those boards will
set you back a few million.


How do you know that the board is "several million"?
That quote sounds a bit speculative.


That's higher than the numbers I saw, but it was seven figures.

I designed
bios for carrier class systems and the system boards
were mever over 10K. I can't see testing and rad-hardening
adding more that 10X to the price. 2 Mil? Really??? That's
200 times the price of a highly tested, six nines system.


You have an engineering division producing custom boards,
processors, other chips. To space rated specs.

The product volume is, roughly, one flightset per year.

You work out the numbers...

Why is NASA buying from BAE? That STINKS! Note to self, Write congress
and call press.


It was originally a Lockheed division; they sold it to BAE.

I believe they're physically located in the US, however.
Manassas, Virginia, to be precise.


-george william herbert


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Old January 27th 04, 03:40 AM
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the f
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Joe Knapp wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
Has Flash RAM been used in past space probes in any significant way?

Quite successfully on Deep Space 1, as I recall.

Where might one find technical information on the rover such as details
on the computer hardware and software?


Here's a description of the single-board computer at least:

http://www.iews.na.baesystems.com/sp...0/rad6000.html

Thanks. I noticed that this board has a PCI bus. Don't tell me they
actually have PCI cards in the Mars rover. Good grief!
 




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