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Old February 6th 14, 09:01 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Old February 6th 14, 11:42 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, February 6, 2014 1:41:52 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:12:16 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:


Humans living 3000 years ago were not "pre-technological" and not necessarily primitive nor brutal either.


Yes, humans living 3000 years ago are considered pre-technological for
the most part.


They had the wheel, agriculture, metal working, etc. Not much changed until late in the industrial revolution.

And primitive by most reasonable definitions.


Primitive? How exactly? Give us a "reasonable definition" of "primitive."

And if
you use the Old Testament as evidence (as Gerald chooses to do), they
were brutal nearly beyond imagination.


I thought you had suggested that the Old Testament was fantasy.

That's not to say that people
from all cultures 3000 years ago were brutal, of course.


/sarcasm Of course not. Your family tree, going all the way back to the Pre-Cambrian, was quite civilized. /end sarcasm

But those who invented the tales of the OT were.


On what do you base your assertion, if you believe that the Old Testament is mere fantasy?


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On Thursday, February 6, 2014 1:45:21 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 10:04:14 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc

wrote:



It is true that his Christian faith, and for that matter, some things specific to Roman Catholic theology, are connected with his astronomical views. But this is not a reason to be insulting to the majority of the people around us, who hold the Bible to be the Word of God.


I have no respect at all for those who base their worldview on faith.
Faith is at the root of nearly everything wrong in the world. Faith is
an intellectual defect of the highest order. And telling somebody they
are wrong (as Christians are) is not an insult. If they choose to take
it as such, tough. I don't care. They're wrong about that, too.


Peterson, did you write this?:

"The right
to religion has been limited throughout history, to the point where
its existence is doubtful (and ought to be limited today in free
societies, such as making it illegal to teach children about religion,
or take them to church)."

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Old February 7th 14, 01:19 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:11:10 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:01:39 -0800 (PST), oriel36

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You know,I went out of my way to meet you in Armagh and offered to
drive the 30 minutes it takes to drive to incredible astronomical sites
of Newgrange, Knowth and Dowth with their Solstice and Equinox
alignments but then again empiricists are ignorant of astronomical
history including their own cult which is roughly a few centuries old.




Which was appreciated. But which doesn't change in the slightest that

you have an extremely bizarre world view.


An astronomer looking at the Newgrange and Stonehenge monuments which are
separated by 1000 years or 4% of a precessional cycle,there is an
incredible amount of information flowing from the alignments in terms of
planetary dynamics and why precession is a long term orbital trait and
not an axial trait given that both monuments still retain their
alignments across many thousands of years.

Your cult manufactures history hence you are unlikely to experience the
admiration from the great astronomers in antiquity and the skill in all
facets of social organization to construct these wonders,everything from
quarrying to architecture,sea and river navigation to just the right
location not to mention the astronomical knowledge to create the alignment -

http://www.worldheritageireland.ie/b...age/newgrange/

The Christian Book of Revelation,like the Matthean and Genesis structure
is a geometric work but like all the other great insights both physical
and intellectual,it will always remain impenetrable to the dour,the
mediocre and the dull. I delight in my work because it pleases God that I
delight in Him and even if the transmission of insights only comes in
glimpses and perhaps in less than perfect terms,this will resonate among
those whom it is destined to resonate. That is why the contemporary era
is amazing for other reasons in providing a conduit for information that
has been ignored for centuries.


Revelation!
The ravings of a madman high on his century's equivalent of LSD.
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Old February 7th 14, 01:45 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, February 6, 2014 11:45:21 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

I have no respect at all for those who base their worldview on faith.
Faith is at the root of nearly everything wrong in the world. Faith is
an intellectual defect of the highest order.


Credulity is a serious intellectual defect.

The frauds and demagogues who want to use religion to control the masses use the emotionally appealing word "faith" when they really mean "credulity".

Faith leads people to believe things like this:

Other people have feelings, and experience what happens to them, the same way as oneself. Therefore, it matters how you treat them.

The Universe makes sense, and so the scientific study of nature is a meaningful and useful endeavor.

Somehow, justice will ultimately prevail.

Credulity, not faith, is what people have when they believe that everything in the holy book of their fathers is to be accepted without question.

It's credulity, not faith, that is to blame for terrorism or inhumane divorce laws.

John Savard
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Old February 7th 14, 05:15 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 16:45:53 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

Faith leads people to believe things like this:

Other people have feelings, and experience what happens to them, the same way as oneself. Therefore, it matters how you treat them.


That is a viewpoint that has nothing whatsoever to do with faith,
which is the acceptance of ideas without evidence.

The Universe makes sense, and so the scientific study of nature is a meaningful and useful endeavor.


That is a viewpoint that has nothing whatsoever to do with faith.

Somehow, justice will ultimately prevail.


That is a viewpoint that has nothing whatsoever to do with faith, but
with hope. Different things.


Credulity, not faith, is what people have when they believe that everything in the holy book of their fathers is to be accepted without question.


Faith and credulity are basically the same thing.

It's credulity, not faith, that is to blame for terrorism or inhumane divorce laws.


Faith and credulity are basically the same thing.
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Old February 7th 14, 07:58 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, February 7, 2014 12:19:42 AM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:11:10 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:


On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:01:39 -0800 (PST), oriel36




wrote:








You know,I went out of my way to meet you in Armagh and offered to


drive the 30 minutes it takes to drive to incredible astronomical sites


of Newgrange, Knowth and Dowth with their Solstice and Equinox


alignments but then again empiricists are ignorant of astronomical


history including their own cult which is roughly a few centuries old..








Which was appreciated. But which doesn't change in the slightest that




you have an extremely bizarre world view.




An astronomer looking at the Newgrange and Stonehenge monuments which are


separated by 1000 years or 4% of a precessional cycle,there is an


incredible amount of information flowing from the alignments in terms of


planetary dynamics and why precession is a long term orbital trait and


not an axial trait given that both monuments still retain their


alignments across many thousands of years.




Your cult manufactures history hence you are unlikely to experience the


admiration from the great astronomers in antiquity and the skill in all


facets of social organization to construct these wonders,everything from


quarrying to architecture,sea and river navigation to just the right


location not to mention the astronomical knowledge to create the alignment -




http://www.worldheritageireland.ie/b...age/newgrange/




The Christian Book of Revelation,like the Matthean and Genesis structure


is a geometric work but like all the other great insights both physical


and intellectual,it will always remain impenetrable to the dour,the


mediocre and the dull. I delight in my work because it pleases God that I


delight in Him and even if the transmission of insights only comes in


glimpses and perhaps in less than perfect terms,this will resonate among


those whom it is destined to resonate. That is why the contemporary era


is amazing for other reasons in providing a conduit for information that


has been ignored for centuries.




Revelation!

The ravings of a madman high on his century's equivalent of LSD.


Collins,the author of the Book of Revelation takes time out to mention people of unbelief in such a way that they are discounted as opposed to his comments on those who take their Christian life for granted without adding anything creative and productive to the wider world by being self-satisfied with their lives.As an analogy,the descent of astronomy from where it once was to little more than a homocentric celestial sphere magnification exercise allied with the bluffing and voodoo of the empirical cult runs parallel with the development of Christianity and its descent to where it is now. It is acceptable that people enjoy astronomy and Christianity at the level they understand these things however with theorists dumping junk into the celestial arena as 'astronomy',it prevents those who can truly love the connection between the celestial arena and terrestrial sciences just as Christianity was never about moral imperatives but rather that God and man are one and the same in terms of the individual and the Universal.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Quasicrystal

It is not possible to make people love things which they can't because they have shut themselves out from ever appreciating these things by their convictions.The Book of Revelation has a geometrical facet which is truly beautiful within the flow of the text but the eyes that look on these things have to that spirit behind them to know this

" He also measured its wall, 144 cubits by human measurement, which is also an angel's measurement." Revelation

The author also changes this to 144000 in a different context but always the Chi Rho structure emerges to delight the mind and soul.

Look how wonderful the use of 42 months/1260 days plays out as the phrasing of "one year,two years and a half year" or 1,2,6 months plays back into the 42 months. As always,the answers are inside a person and the generosity of spirit which expands life from an indoctrinated shell into the great stage of the Eternal from the smallest kindness to the great works of humanity.

I condemn nobody as they chose to condemn themselves.




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Old February 7th 14, 11:11 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On 07/02/2014 00:45, Quadibloc wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2014 11:45:21 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

I have no respect at all for those who base their worldview on faith.
Faith is at the root of nearly everything wrong in the world. Faith is
an intellectual defect of the highest order.


Credulity is a serious intellectual defect.

The frauds and demagogues who want to use religion to control the masses use the emotionally appealing word "faith" when they really mean "credulity".


The canonical minimalist religion requires just two core axioms to be
accepted by "the faithful" as the absolute truth:

1. Ours is "The One True God"(tm) and all non-believers will burn
eternally in hellfire when they die.

2. It is the duty of all true believers to minimise human suffering.

It isn't hard to get from 1 & 2 to "The ends justify the means".

The Spanish Inquisition being one of the more active proponents of this
sort of conversion. Taken together it clearly allows any finite amount
of torturing in this world to prevent eternal suffering in the next.

Faith leads people to believe things like this:

Other people have feelings, and experience what happens to them, the same way as oneself. Therefore, it matters how you treat them.


Oh you mean like the Catholic and Protestant wars that have been going
on for centuries in Europe with each trying to wipe the other out?
(and still going on to a lesser extent in Ireland to this day)

The Universe makes sense, and so the scientific study of nature is a meaningful and useful endeavor.

Somehow, justice will ultimately prevail.

Credulity, not faith, is what people have when they believe that everything in the holy book of their fathers is to be accepted without question.


Unfortunately that is about 30% of the US population who think the world
is 6000 years old and Gawd will press the big red reset button real soon
now so there is no need to look after the planet.

All hail The Rapture and jump 40' into the air!

It's credulity, not faith, that is to blame for terrorism or inhumane divorce laws.

John Savard


Hardly. The Bible specifies in detail the right dimensions of stick to
beat your wife and slaves with. Times change but ancient books remain
the same and their translations into other languages crystallise what
were once old ambiguities into potentially dangerous absolutes.

Interpretation of the Bible as the literal truth appears to be a
particularly bad problem in the USA which ended up with every cranky
medieval religious zealot that got thrown out of Europe. Worse still
they managed to perpetuate most of their cranky beliefs unchanged.

I wonder how many of them eat bacon, pork and shellfish though?

By comparison Australia was founded mostly as a criminal colony and has
developed into a far more civilised and easy going society.

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