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Old February 19th 10, 05:13 AM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english
Andrew Usher
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Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar,
and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I
say the following:

1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be
the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries
the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally.

2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15
weeks following Christmas.

3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every
fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a
Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near
enough.

4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first
day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption,
and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1,
and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this
calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain
week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days
before Christmas.

6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made,
without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days
inherited from the Romans.

Andrew Usher
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Old February 19th 10, 05:17 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
Sam Wormley[_2_]
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On 2/18/10 10:13 PM, Andrew Usher wrote:
Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar...


Why not get rid of the calendar altogether... thru the
majority of human existance none was used.

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Old February 19th 10, 05:58 AM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english
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"Andrew Usher" wrote in message
...
Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar,
and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I
say the following:

1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be
the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries
the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally.

2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15
weeks following Christmas.

3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every
fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a
Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near
enough.

4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first
day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption,
and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1,
and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this
calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain
week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days
before Christmas.

6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made,
without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days
inherited from the Romans.

Andrew Usher


The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe habe in
fine as it is.


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Old February 19th 10, 06:39 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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In sci.physics Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/18/10 10:13 PM, Andrew Usher wrote:
Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar...


Why not get rid of the calendar altogether... thru the
majority of human existance none was used.


True enough, but...

Prior to about 10,000 years ago, humans lived as hunter-gatherers and
had little need for a calendar.

During the Neolithic Revolution, humans "invented" agriculture, established
permanent settlements, domesticated animals, and started using metal tools.

At about this time, the calendar was invented.

If you want to live as a hunter-gatherer wandering the wilderness, hunting
for rabbits and grubbing for berries to stay alive, go ahead and throw away
your calendar.

If you like any of the advances humans have made in the last 10,000 years,
like a permanent structure to shelter you from the elements and food on a
regular basis, I guess you are stuck with calendars.


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Old February 19th 10, 09:02 AM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english
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On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Andrew Usher" wrote in message

...





Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar,
and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I
say the following:


1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be
the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries
the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally.


2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15
weeks following Christmas.


3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every
fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a
Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near
enough.


4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first
day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption,
and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1,
and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this
calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain
week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days
before Christmas.


6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made,
without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days
inherited from the Romans.


Andrew Usher


The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe habe in
fine as it is


I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it.

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Old February 19th 10, 09:03 AM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english
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Andrew Usher wrote:
Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar,
and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I
say the following:

1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be
the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries
the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally.

2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15
weeks following Christmas.

3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every
fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a
Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near
enough.

4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first
day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption,
and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1,
and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this
calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain
week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days
before Christmas.

6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made,
without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days
inherited from the Romans.

Andrew Usher


Give the sound of your name, I suppose you would also renumber the
years, with year 1 in what is now 4004 BC.

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Old February 19th 10, 10:06 AM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english
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James Hogg filted:

Andrew Usher wrote:
Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar,
and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I
say the following:

1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be
the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries
the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally.


et seq


Give the sound of your name, I suppose you would also renumber the
years, with year 1 in what is now 4004 BC.


I'm taking a survey...how many were thinking something along the same lines?...

(On a more serious note, I'd like to see an actual printed calendar for Andrew's
proposed system...I have a gnawing unease that it may actually make Friday the
13th *more* common than it is already)....r


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An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?...or like this?
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Old February 19th 10, 10:12 AM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english
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Halmyre wrote:
On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Andrew Usher" wrote in message

...





Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar,
and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I
say the following:
1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be
the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries
the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally.
2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15
weeks following Christmas.
3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every
fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a
Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near
enough.
4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first
day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption,
and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1,
and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this
calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain
week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days
before Christmas.
6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made,
without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days
inherited from the Romans.
Andrew Usher

The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe habe in
fine as it is


I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it.

But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You might as
well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you suggesting that we
only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your “settled”
date just happens to correspond with the right lunar phase?

J.
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Old February 19th 10, 10:34 AM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english
James Hogg
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John Atkinson wrote:
Halmyre wrote:
On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Andrew Usher" wrote in message

...






Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the
calendar, and attempting in passing to create a more perfect
Church calendar, I say the following: 1. That Christmas day
should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be the Sunday
between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries the
Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally. 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the
Sunday which is 15 weeks following Christmas. 3. That the leap
year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every fourth
save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a
Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which
is near enough. 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by
considering the first day of the year of weeks to occur on the
Sunday after the Assumption, and if this is the first possible
calendar day, it is called week 1, and otherwise week 2, and
every year runs through week 53. And this calendar ensures that
everything can be fixed to a day of a certain week, in
particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days
before Christmas. 6. This is surely the best possible
arrangement that can be made, without disturbing the cycle of
weeks or that of calendar days inherited from the Romans.
Andrew Usher
The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe
habe in fine as it is

I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it.


But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You might
as well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you suggesting that
we only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your
settled date just happens to correspond with the right lunar phase?


My Book of Common Prayer makes things easy by pointing out that "the
moon referred to in the definition of Easter Day is not the actual moon
of the heavens, but the Calendar Moon, or Moon of the Lunar Cycle, which
is counted as full on its fourteenth day, reckoned from the day of the
Calendar New Moon inclusive." Also, in a Bissextile Year "the number of
Sundays after Epiphany will be the same, as if Easter Day had fallen one
day later than it really does."

What could be simpler?

--
James
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Old February 19th 10, 11:14 AM posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english
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Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:34:10 +0100: James Hogg :
in sci.lang:

What could be simpler?


The Jewish calendar.

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Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

 




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