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Old January 23rd 07, 03:59 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message


What planet are you posting this from, and what color is the sky
there?


He's obviously not from your Old Testament thumping planet, where the
sky is nearly always blood red from the ongoing collateral damage and
carnage of the innocent.
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Old January 24th 07, 01:11 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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Brad Guth wrote:
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message


What planet are you posting this from, and what color is the sky
there?


He's obviously not from your Old Testament thumping planet, where the
sky is nearly always blood red from the ongoing collateral damage and
carnage of the innocent.
-
Brad Guth




Rand has a tendency to not read the actual numbers..


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120401347.html

"ANNISTON, Ala. -- Field upon field of more than 1,000 battered M1
tanks, howitzers and other armored vehicles sit amid weeds here at the
15,000-acre Anniston Army Depot -- the idle, hulking formations symbolic
of an Army that is wearing out faster than it is being rebuilt.

The Army and Marine Corps have sunk more than 40 percent of their ground
combat equipment into the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to
government data....

....

Partly as a result of the shortages, many U.S. units are rated "unready"
to deploy, officials say, raising alarm in Congress and concern among
military leaders at a time when Iraq strategy is under review by the
White House and the bipartisan Iraq Study Group."


"Equipment shipped back from Iraq is stacking up at all the Army depots:
More than 530 M1 tanks, 220 M88 wreckers and 160 M113 armored personnel
carriers are sitting at Anniston. The Red River Army Depot in Texas has
700 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and 450 heavy and medium-weight trucks,
while more than 1,000 Humvees are awaiting repair at the Letterkenny
Army Depot in Pennsylvania.

Despite the work piling up, the Army's depots have been operating at
about half their capacity because of a lack of funding for repairs. In
the spring, a funding gap caused Anniston and other depots to lose about
a month's worth of work, said Brig. Gen. Robert Radin, deputy chief of
staff for operations at the Army Materiel Command at Fort Belvoir."


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13563055/

"The latest costs include the transfer of more than 1,200 2 1/2-ton
trucks, nearly 1,100 Humvees and $8.8 million in other equipment from
the U.S. Army to the Iraqi security forces.

Army and Marine Corps leaders are expected to testify before Congress
Tuesday and outline the growing costs of the war — with estimates that
it will cost between $12 billion and $13 billion a year for equipment
repairs, upgrades and replacements from now on.

The Marine Corps has said in recent testimony before Congress that it
would need nearly $12 billion to replace and repair all the equipment
worn out or lost to combat in the past four years. So far, the Marines
have received $1.6 billion toward those costs to replace and repair the
equipment.

According to the Army, the $17 billion includes:

* $2.1 billion in equipment that must be replaced because of battle
losses.
* About $6.5 billion for repairs.
* About $8.4 billion to rebuild or upgrade equipment.

One of the growing costs is the replacement of Humvees, which are
wearing out more quickly because of the added armor they are carrying to
protect soldiers from roadside bombs. The added weight is causing them
to wear out faster, decreasing the life of the vehicles."

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By my count, that is a loss of 1800 humvees from the US inventory and
1600 trucks. 540 M-1 tanks is a significant fraction also. You also
have to consider the deployable force remaining. It looks like most
of the deployable equipment is already in theater.
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Old January 25th 07, 06:34 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Charles Buckley" wrote in message


By my count, that is a loss of 1800 humvees from the US inventory and
1600 trucks. 540 M-1 tanks is a significant fraction also. You also
have to consider the deployable force remaining. It looks like most
of the deployable equipment is already in theater.


I believe you're right, that we're walking upon as thin of theater ice
as such perpetrated wars tend to get. I'm not sure we can even get out
safely without falling through our own artificially made thin ice. I
also believe the books are at best seriously cooked in order to minimize
and/or divert the true cost of 911 and the ongoing war(s).

We have our nuclear and chemical weapons (1000 fold worse off than
anything we'd lied about Iraq having), and as long as our warm and fuzzy
GW Bush is in charge, if push comes down to shove is where I do believe
that we do intend to utilize them.
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Old January 25th 07, 11:27 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Demosthenes" wrote in message
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In article . com
wrote:



China wants to be close enough to military parity with the

U.S. that
the U.S. would not dare to interfere with it when it attacks

Taiwan.
That will not work.


Of COURSE it will work.



Don't be so sure, it is scary how they know us more than we know ourselves:

Unrestricted Warfare
Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui
(Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)
http://www.cryptome.org/cuw.htm

"World's number one," an ideology corresponding to "isolationism," always
makes the Americans tend to pursue unlimited objectives as they expand their
national power. But this is a tendency which in the end will lead to
tragedy. A company which has limited resources but which is nevertheless
keen to take on unlimited responsibilities is headed for only one possible
outcome, and that is bankruptcy.



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Old January 27th 07, 06:19 AM posted to sci.space.history
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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OM wrote:
...No, the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, and we declared war on Dean
Wormer and his Hitler Youth.


"Bluto's right!"
Belushi did some great stuff, but "Bluto" Blutarski was his crowning gem.


That's *Senator* Blutarski, you punk!


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Old January 27th 07, 06:21 AM posted to sci.space.history
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"OM" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:37:01 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Belushi did some great stuff, but "Bluto" Blutarski was his crowning gem.


...In no particular order, Belushi's ten greatest roles were arguably:
* Captain James Tiberius Kirk


That skit with the NBC execs taking over is one of the finest moments in
television history. I think they did a great job of both making a parody
*and* honoring Star Trek.

And Belushi didn't look too far off mid-season Kirk :P



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Old January 27th 07, 06:24 AM posted to sci.space.history
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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OM wrote:
...And one of the Great Secrets of the Catholic Church is that some
30% of those "Evil Penguins" usually have one or more of their former
students enacting some sort of revenge against them for being such
unnecessary disciplinarians.


I keep wondering if Catholic nuns were the basis for the Bene Gesserit.


Very likely some influence.


Or, flatulence.

Why an *Orange* Catholic Bible? Some sort of Irish influence? If laptops can
be sold with pink leather on them, why not electrostatic paged Bibles?


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Old January 27th 07, 06:25 AM posted to sci.space.history
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"OM" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:57:36 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Perfect ending for "Seinfeld":


...No, the perfect ending for "Seinfeld" would have been to steal the
one from "I Married Dora", with an added twist:


That show was middling, but the ending was classy. The only thing that beats
it was the ending to Cop Rock.


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Old January 27th 07, 06:26 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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Rand Simberg wrote:
Or we promptly invaded Tunis, in North Africa. Which is in fact what
we did, since you seem historically ignorant.



You don't really know almost anything about what happened in America's
history, do you?


His posts do seem to question that.


 




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