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Jorge R. Frank wrote: "Daydreamer99" wrote in oups.com: Damon Hill wrote: Hubble is dying after having served us so well; time to put our efforts into a replacement. Please send my some links of equipment that could replace Hubble. I'm not Damon, but here's a link anyway: http://www.pha.jhu.edu/hop/ HOP would definitely be both cheaper and more likely to succeed than HST robotic servicing. An HST shuttle servicing mission would be more likely to succeed than HOP, and the costs look to be pretty much a wash. -- JRF Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail, check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and think one step ahead of IBM. Jorge, I understand sometimes you have to make way for better things, but in a plug and play world I believe that NASA training of personnel is great. Maybe I'm making light of things but if I want to service my washer dryer let not make a production about it. Training the personell to do the task is the what is important reosurce. When I was a little boy, my brother brought me a Radio Shack electronic radio. The same day I got antoher radio but a better model. Do I through away the lesser model or can I use it to compare and contrast information? |
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"Daydreamer99" wrote in
ups.com: Jorge R. Frank wrote: "Daydreamer99" wrote in oups.com: Damon Hill wrote: Hubble is dying after having served us so well; time to put our efforts into a replacement. Please send my some links of equipment that could replace Hubble. I'm not Damon, but here's a link anyway: http://www.pha.jhu.edu/hop/ HOP would definitely be both cheaper and more likely to succeed than HST robotic servicing. An HST shuttle servicing mission would be more likely to succeed than HOP, and the costs look to be pretty much a wash. I understand sometimes you have to make way for better things, but in a plug and play world I believe that NASA training of personnel is great. Thanks! :-) Maybe I'm making light of things but if I want to service my washer dryer let not make a production about it. Training the personell to do the task is the what is important reosurce. It may be an important resource, but it's not the biggest cost driver. In the case of HST servicing, getting the personnel safely to and from the worksite is the biggest cost driver. When I was a little boy, my brother brought me a Radio Shack electronic radio. The same day I got antoher radio but a better model. Do I through away the lesser model or can I use it to compare and contrast information? The cost of ownership of a radio is trivial, so if you've got room in your house to store it, I say "go for it." Now, did your dad do the same thing with cars? When he bought a new car, did he keep the old one (or all the old ones, if you owned more than one car)? Probably not - otherwise you'd wind up with a front yard full of old cars. Keeping a bunch of old cars in running condition is expensive. So most people trade in their oldest car when they buy a new one. In the case of HST, the analogy is not an old car in your driveway - it's an old car that is off on the side of the highway hundreds of miles away, and the only repairman who has a truck to reach your car is going to charge you the cost of a new car to go fix your old one. Does it still make sense to fix the old car, or spend the money on a new one with a warranty and everything? -- JRF Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail, check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and think one step ahead of IBM. |
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On 12 Mar 2005 17:15:07 GMT, "Jorge R. Frank"
wrote: Does it still make sense to fix the old car, or spend the money on a new one with a warranty and everything? ....If the old car is a 1966 George Barris Batmobile, the answer's quite simple, actually. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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Well I don't want to get caught up analogies but let the kids drive the
old car. LOH What I'm getting at I understand safety is the first thing to worry about. But I'm looking for a routine. I not a flight expert, but what routine things that a crew should know. 1. How to launch. 2. How to land. 3. How to fly in space with fuel consumption in mind. Next you have you specialty people to complete the task at hand. I know each mission failure sometime be small. But don't have a fear of failure. Our discussion boils down to we have been crawling for a while lets walk. |
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"Daydreamer99" wrote in
ups.com: Well I don't want to get caught up analogies but let the kids drive the old car. LOH Again, would you still feel that way if the repairman tells you it will cost as much, or more, to fix the old car than to buy a new one? What I'm getting at I understand safety is the first thing to worry about. But I'm looking for a routine. I not a flight expert, but what routine things that a crew should know. 1. How to launch. 2. How to land. 3. How to fly in space with fuel consumption in mind. Next you have you specialty people to complete the task at hand. I know each mission failure sometime be small. But don't have a fear of failure. I don't have a fear of failure. I favor sending a shuttle to HST. But nothing you've written addresses the real risks or the real costs. Training has little to do with either, in this case. -- JRF Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail, check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and think one step ahead of IBM. |
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Jorge R. Frank wrote: "Daydreamer99" wrote in ups.com: Well I don't want to get caught up analogies but let the kids drive the old car. LOH Again, would you still feel that way if the repairman tells you it will cost as much, or more, to fix the old car than to buy a new one? What I'm getting at I understand safety is the first thing to worry about. But I'm looking for a routine. I not a flight expert, but what routine things that a crew should know. 1. How to launch. 2. How to land. 3. How to fly in space with fuel consumption in mind. Next you have you specialty people to complete the task at hand. I know each mission failure sometime be small. But don't have a fear of failure. I don't have a fear of failure. I favor sending a shuttle to HST. But nothing you've written addresses the real risks or the real costs. Training has little to do with either, in this case. -- JRF Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail, check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and think one step ahead of IBM. |
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I like our conversations. If you have the time enlighten me.
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"Daydreamer99" wrote in
ups.com: I like our conversations. If you have the time enlighten me. Any subject in particular, or enlightenment in general? :-) -- JRF Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail, check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and think one step ahead of IBM. |
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rk wrote: Any subject in particular, or enlightenment in general? :-) 42. So that's it...and I thought it was 23... ;-) Hagbard Celine |
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