Secret Satellite Salvage

On Jan 16, 3:03�pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Orval Fairbairn wrote:
It would have taken some pretty fancy guidance/control to do it!

At the time, the speculation was that they would shoot it pretty much
straight up at the Shuttle as it passed over Iraq, and have it detonate
a small explosive charge that would distribute sand or dust into the
orbital path of the Shuttle which it would run into, damaging its TPS
from hitting the tiny particles at orbital velocity.
It would still be very tricky to do, but if you shot it to a bit higher
altitude than the Shuttle so that the particles would have time to
spread out as they fell back into the atmosphere, you might be able to
do it, particularly if you shot multiple Scuds upwards at the same time.
A rough rule of thumb is that if you shoot a missile straight up, it can
reach a maximum altitude around 1/2 of its maximum range.
The longest ranged version of the Scud the Iraqis had was the Al
Hussein, which could reach a range of 400 miles with a warhead weight of
1,100 pounds.
The Shuttle orbital altitudes vary, but around 180-200 miles is a good
average.
So the Al Hussein should have been able to get around 1,000 lbs of
warhead to the altitude where the Shuttle was at.

Pat


HEY FRED have you bothered to READ THIS?

The danger was discussed years ago, obviously you hadnt noticed and
didnt read this....

On Mar 8, 1:14*pm, bob haller wrote:
On Jan 16, 3:03 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
It would have taken some pretty fancy guidance/control to do it!

At the time, the speculation was that they would shoot it pretty much
straight up at the Shuttle as it passed over Iraq, and have it detonate
a small explosive charge that would distribute sand or dust into the
orbital path of the Shuttle which it would run into, damaging its TPS
from hitting the tiny particles at orbital velocity.
It would still be very tricky to do, but if you shot it to a bit higher
altitude than the Shuttle so that the particles would have time to
spread out as they fell back into the atmosphere, you might be able to
do it, particularly if you shot multiple Scuds upwards at the same time..
A rough rule of thumb is that if you shoot a missile straight up, it can
reach a maximum altitude around 1/2 of its maximum range.
The longest ranged version of the Scud the Iraqis had was the Al
Hussein, which could reach a range of 400 miles with a warhead weight of
1,100 pounds.
The Shuttle orbital altitudes vary, but around 180-200 miles is a good
average.
So the Al Hussein should have been able to get around 1,000 lbs of
warhead to the altitude where the Shuttle was at.

Pat

HEY FRED have you bothered to READ THIS?

The danger was discussed years ago, obviously you hadnt noticed and
didnt read this....

And that is BS too, much like the rest of Haller's posts

On Mar 8, 7:53�pm, wrote:
On Mar 8, 1:14�pm, bob haller wrote:





On Jan 16, 3:03 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
It would have taken some pretty fancy guidance/control to do it!

At the time, the speculation was that they would shoot it pretty much
straight up at the Shuttle as it passed over Iraq, and have it detonate
a small explosive charge that would distribute sand or dust into the
orbital path of the Shuttle which it would run into, damaging its TPS
from hitting the tiny particles at orbital velocity.
It would still be very tricky to do, but if you shot it to a bit higher
altitude than the Shuttle so that the particles would have time to
spread out as they fell back into the atmosphere, you might be able to
do it, particularly if you shot multiple Scuds upwards at the same time.
A rough rule of thumb is that if you shoot a missile straight up, it can
reach a maximum altitude around 1/2 of its maximum range.
The longest ranged version of the Scud the Iraqis had was the Al
Hussein, which could reach a range of 400 miles with a warhead weight of
1,100 pounds.
The Shuttle orbital altitudes vary, but around 180-200 miles is a good
average.
So the Al Hussein should have been able to get around 1,000 lbs of
warhead to the altitude where the Shuttle was at.

Pat

HEY FRED have you bothered to READ THIS?

The danger was discussed years ago, obviously you hadnt noticed and
didnt read this....

And that is BS too, much like the rest of Haller's posts- Hide quoted text -

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not liking me is fine but denyiong reality means you have a problem.

ISS / shuttles ? manned space is very vulernable.

just look at the dangers from that iridium russian satellite
collision.

theres no way to track small particles, and remember when a paint
particle buried itself in a shuttle window duriung re entry?

just a bunch of BBs at orbital speeds can kill man in space.

all it takes is one idiot

bob haller wrote:
:
:just a bunch of BBs at orbital speeds can kill man in space.
:
:all it takes is one idiot
:

Then, given your existence, man in space is doomed.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

On Mar 9, 10:26�am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

:
:just a bunch of BBs at orbital speeds can kill man in space.
:
:all it takes is one idiot
:

Then, given your existence, man in space is doomed.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
�only stupid."
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Heinrich Heine

yeah man in space is doomed if we dont immediately stop littering LEO!

You can laugh now but not after a shuttle or other manned vehicle gets
taken out by oibital debris

bob haller wrote:

:On Mar 9, 10:26?am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: bob haller wrote:
:
: :
: :just a bunch of BBs at orbital speeds can kill man in space.
: :
: :all it takes is one idiot
: :
:
: Then, given your existence, man in space is doomed.
:
: --
: "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
: ?only stupid."
: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Heinrich Heine
:
:yeah man in space is doomed if we dont immediately stop littering LEO!
:

Then you should indeed stop doing that at once!

:
:You can laugh now but not after a shuttle or other manned vehicle gets
:taken out by oibital debris
:

Yeah, yeah. It's great fun until someone loses an eye....


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

On Mar 9, 10:21�pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

:On Mar 9, 10:26?am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: bob haller wrote:
:
: :
: :just a bunch of BBs at orbital speeds can kill man in space.
: :
: :all it takes is one idiot
: :
:
: Then, given your existence, man in space is doomed.
:
: --
: "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
: ?only stupid."
: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Heinrich Heine
:
:yeah man in space is doomed if we dont immediately stop littering LEO!
:

Then you should indeed stop doing that at once!

:
:You can laugh now but not after a shuttle or other manned vehicle gets
:taken out by oibital debris
:

Yeah, yeah. �It's great fun until someone loses an eye....

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
�only stupid."
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Heinrich Heine

debris in orbit tend to spread and collide with other debris creating
a kinda cloud of debris.

speeds involved are so fast even a paint chip is very hazardous

its nothing to laugh about

"bob haller" wrote in message
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yeah man in space is doomed if we dont immediately stop littering LEO!

You can laugh now but not after a shuttle or other manned vehicle gets
taken out by oibital debris

On the news this morning they made a big deal about the Chinese ship that
had got in the way of the US ship. They made an awful big deal about the
debris the Chinese ship kept expelling. Is this like orbital debris. I
guess all debris is bad. Also that Octo mom sure was littering

it sounds as if Terrell Owens is getting closer and closer to the Canadian
football league picking up his contract

mk5000


----- Original Message -----
From: "marika"
Newsgroups: alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:01 AM
Subject: unfaithful cotton club


This is not news. Jessica Simpson dates Tony Romo

He's been dating her all season. and a few years before that

The team is not
saying that his dating has made them tank

They're not tanking. They were 12-2 when the controversy started. They had
one 'bad'
game. Terrell Owens made a comment about it then said it was a joke. TO is
not the
whole team

however this year the distraction is her weight gain. she is on every
gossip magazine with words like SHE IS PROUD OF HER BODY

she doesn't look svelte, but like a normal woman

only a few days ago she was on stage and broke down and kept muttering
into
the mike please god just let me get through this and it was obvious she
was
lip synching much of it


"marika" wrote in message
...
"Failure to Launch...."

when the hell did terry bradshaw start acting?
guest-cameo-walk-ons or a few football-related lines in a
slapstick-comedy..... OK, maybe.
but real supporting actor-type roles? with real acting and real
nakedness?
when the hell did that start?


mk5000


" I wrote little haiku poems. I emailed them to everyone. "--fight club