Bye-bye NASA Progress buys.

"Rick Jones" wrote in message
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In sci.space.history Alan Erskine wrote:
"Jeff Findley" wrote in message
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Zero gravity sports stadiums immediately spring to mind. ;-)

Habitats; greenhouses (windows?) excercise facilities for long-stay
crews (not just sports stadia); storage areas.

"Drydocks" perhaps?

Possible. The inside doesn't have to be kept pressurised to maintain
rigidity.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:46:15 -0400, Jeff Findley wrote:

At least there is now competition for cargo flights. That will help some.
Everyone knows that Russia will gouge you for Soyuz and Progress flights.

20 million USD / seat on Soyuz, including tourist tax.
64 million USD / seat on Shuttle, cost price.

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Monte Davis wrote:

(Derek Lyons) wrote:

Hmm... Sound like those reflections might have been interesting to
hear.

Not online that I know of, but here's a start

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/03...vs-beginnings/

OK, I saw those - just didn't connect the name.

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Fevric J Glandules wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:46:15 -0400, Jeff Findley wrote:


At least there is now competition for cargo flights. That will help some.
Everyone knows that Russia will gouge you for Soyuz and Progress flights.


20 million USD / seat on Soyuz, including tourist tax.
64 million USD / seat on Shuttle, cost price.

That isn't fair. The Shuttle has a cargo bay that Soyuz doesn't have.
So dividing the cost of a Shuttle flight by the number of seats isn't
fair.


Alain Fournier

"Alain Fournier" wrote in message
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Fevric J Glandules wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:46:15 -0400, Jeff Findley wrote:


At least there is now competition for cargo flights. That will help
some. Everyone knows that Russia will gouge you for Soyuz and Progress
flights.


20 million USD / seat on Soyuz, including tourist tax.
64 million USD / seat on Shuttle, cost price.

That isn't fair. The Shuttle has a cargo bay that Soyuz doesn't have.
So dividing the cost of a Shuttle flight by the number of seats isn't
fair.

It's also not fair since no one has ever been quoted a market price on the
Shuttle, and never will be.




Alain Fournier



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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:09:20 -0400, in a place far, far away, Alain
Fournier made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

Fevric J Glandules wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:46:15 -0400, Jeff Findley wrote:


At least there is now competition for cargo flights. That will help some.
Everyone knows that Russia will gouge you for Soyuz and Progress flights.


20 million USD / seat on Soyuz, including tourist tax.
64 million USD / seat on Shuttle, cost price.

That isn't fair. The Shuttle has a cargo bay that Soyuz doesn't have.
So dividing the cost of a Shuttle flight by the number of seats isn't
fair.

It's not, but one of the problems of the Shuttle has always been to
disaggregate the costs of the cargo versus the crew, and establish an
appropriate price.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:15:07 -0400, Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) wrote:

"Alain Fournier" wrote in message
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Fevric J Glandules wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:46:15 -0400, Jeff Findley wrote:

At least there is now competition for cargo flights. That will help
some. Everyone knows that Russia will gouge you for Soyuz and Progress
flights.

20 million USD / seat on Soyuz, including tourist tax.
64 million USD / seat on Shuttle, cost price.

That isn't fair. The Shuttle has a cargo bay that Soyuz doesn't have.
So dividing the cost of a Shuttle flight by the number of seats isn't
fair.

It's also not fair since no one has ever been quoted a market price on the
Shuttle, and never will be.

That's being unfair to Soyuz. I'm comparing cost price with
gouge-the-tourist price (which also includes six months training,
does it not?)

However Alain is quite correct, so with a bit of Googling it seems that
Ariane 5 gets 16 tons to LEO for 180M USD. So that would be ~270M to
equal the Shuttle's 24 tons. Which brings the shuttle price down to
25M / seat.

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