SS Columbia Safety

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:45:00 GMT, (Derek Lyons)
wrote:

Haven't you bothered to do the most basic studying on Shuttle history?
Too damm lazy to even go to Wikipedia?

....Ohboy! Dueling Dereks! Someone strike up the theme from
"Deliverance" :-)

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True, but at the time of Endeavour the tooling was still available. There
was some discussion of building spares after it was built but the money
never expended.

It's mildly interesting to think if they would have built an OV-106 after
Columbia or not.


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"Neil Gerace" wrote in message
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wrote:

Where did Endeavour come from then? Modifying a Buran? :-)

Spares.

"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote:

True, but at the time of Endeavour the tooling was still available. There
was some discussion of building spares after it was built but the money
never expended.

It's mildly interesting to think if they would have built an OV-106 after
Columbia or not.

After the CAIB report came out? I seriously doubt it.

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:45:13 -0500, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:

True, but at the time of Endeavour the tooling was still available. There
was some discussion of building spares after it was built but the money
never expended.

It's mildly interesting to think if they would have built an OV-106 after
Columbia or not.

Boeing did propose an OV-2xx series after Columbia, so it wasn't a
ridiculous idea.

Brian

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:20:22 -0600, Brian Thorn
wrote:

Boeing did propose an OV-2xx series after Columbia, so it wasn't a
ridiculous idea.

...Wasn't that the Constellation/Orion proposal that Boeing had to
resubmit because NASA disqualified all lifting body design
submissions?

No, the OV-2xx series (for want of a better name) was AFAIK a paper design
of basically, let us keep the moldline and come up with a new design. (and
build 2 of them).

But NASA (probably wisely given the budget realities) decided a mixed fleet
of OV-10x (3) and OV-20x (2) designs would be costlier to maintain than a
single fleet of OV-10x.

Unfortunately that's probably an accurate assessment.

A pure OV-20x design, properly done PROBABLY (but hard to say for certain)
would have been cheaper to fly and a higher turn-around rate.

But we'll never know.


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*From:* (Derek Lyons)
*Date:* Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:45:00 GMT

Haven't you bothered to do the most basic studying on Shuttle
history?
Too damm lazy to even go to Wikipedia?

Sometimes having a conversation on Usenet is like poking a herd of geese
with a stick.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

Blew that one then!

"Derek Lyons" wrote in message
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"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote:

True, but at the time of Endeavour the tooling was still available. There
was some discussion of building spares after it was built but the money
never expended.

It's mildly interesting to think if they would have built an OV-106 after
Columbia or not.

After the CAIB report came out? I seriously doubt it.


Kept meaning to reply to this.

I tend to agree. But my point was, w/o the spares, there simply was never
even that option of an OV-106.


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Greg Moore
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"Neil Gerace" wrote in message
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wrote:

Where did Endeavour come from then? Modifying a Buran? :-)

Spares.

Much of the airframe was new. A lot of components were spares. The last
shuttle before "Challenger" had been delivered about a year before. The
tooling and the workers were still around and still employed by the
different contractors. Building Endeaver was pretty much a case of just
blowing the dust off some equipment an moving it out of the corner, back to
the center of the shop floor. After "Columbia" much of the tooling had been
scraped years before and the people retired, moved on, or in lots of cases
died.